Goodbye Outlaw, Hello [New Scapegoat] (MERGED)

[MARIS61]

Why do we have to worship Roy? Right now he sucks and so does his attitude. Every player in the NBA enters the league accustomed to being the No. 1 option. Almost all have to change fast. His maturing has been delayed 3 years. It's time for him to play with the team. He needs to cut all the lip against Miller and recognize his leader. The PG is usually a team's playmaker and ruler, and Roy can start licking his toes right now. And when Blake's in, the same applies.

The problem with that is I hear Roy has never actually met the incredibly seclusive, anti-social Miller, who throws most of his passes from under the bench or behind the chubbiest ref. Roy is yet to be convinced the guy isn't just some figment of the imagination of Sergio haters.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: Goodbye Outlaw, Hello Roy - Scapegoat 2009-10

Gotta have the rock to share it.

Roy has the ball in his hands roughly 30 times longer per game than Outlaw, making Outlaw's assist per possession minute far higher than Roy's.

Usage Rate measures the number of possessions used (to shoot, draw free throws, create an assist or turn the ball over) by an individual player per 40 minutes.

Assist Rate measures what percentage of an individual's possessions ended in an assist.

Outlaw has a 22.3 Usage Rate and a 7.0 Assist Rate.
Roy has a 25.4 Usage Rate and a 25.2 Assist Rate.

Outlaw isn't all that far behind Roy in how many possessions he takes up when he's on the floor. How many times he shares it (as measured by assists, anyway) is tiny compared to Roy.

 

[jlprk]

Re: Goodbye Outlaw, Hello Roy - Scapegoat 2009-10

???

Ignore my random statistical background noise as I gather my thoughts. The base of the mud brick pyramid is necessary to build my notable posts at the golden apex.

Outlaw has a 22.3 Usage Rate and a 7.0 Assist Rate.
Roy has a 25.4 Usage Rate and a 25.2 Assist Rate.

They play different positions. You need to divide 7.0 by the average assist rate for PFs, and 25.2 by the average assist rate for PGs.

 

[BenDavis503]

Go ahead, you can say whatever you like.

I am just fuxin around. I know you could give a flying hooter what I post.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Re: Goodbye Outlaw, Hello Roy - Scapegoat 2009-10

Ignore my random statistical background noise as I gather my thoughts. The base of the mud brick pyramid is necessary to build my notable posts at the golden apex.



They play different positions. You need to divide 7.0 by the average assist rate for PFs, and 25.2 by the average assist rate for PGs.

You are one of kind jlprk. Good to see you posting here.

I already know your scapegoat for the year . . . the coach.

KMC

 

[Natebishop3]

Re: Goodbye Outlaw, Hello Roy - Scapegoat 2009-10

Usage Rate measures the number of possessions used (to shoot, draw free throws, create an assist or turn the ball over) by an individual player per 40 minutes.

Assist Rate measures what percentage of an individual's possessions ended in an assist.

Outlaw has a 22.3 Usage Rate and a 7.0 Assist Rate.
Roy has a 25.4 Usage Rate and a 25.2 Assist Rate.

Outlaw isn't all that far behind Roy in how many possessions he takes up when he's on the floor. How many times he shares it (as measured by assists, anyway) is tiny compared to Roy.

POW! Right in the kisser!

 

[jlprk]

Re: Goodbye Outlaw, Hello Roy - Scapegoat 2009-10

You are one of kind jlprk. Good to see you posting here.

I already know your scapegoat for the year . . . the coach.

KMC

I just got back from the TV. Let's hope the team tonight doesn't float off in a balloon!

(You saw that off-topic thread, didn't you? Pretty exciting--great live video.)

 

[Nikolokolus]

Re: Goodbye Outlaw, Hello Roy - Scapegoat 2009-10

Ignore my random statistical background noise as I gather my thoughts. The base of the mud brick pyramid is necessary to build my notable posts at the golden apex.



They play different positions. You need to divide 7.0 by the average assist rate for PFs, and 25.2 by the average assist rate for PGs.

It doesn't even need to be that complicated all you have to do is sort both players by their ast% and see where they stack up against the rest of the league.

Outlaw comes in 58th out of 61 players at his listed position of small forward and even if you add him to the power forward group he's still just 58th out of 76. Brandon on the other hand comes in at 25th out of 74.

 

[Minstrel]

Re: Goodbye Outlaw, Hello Roy - Scapegoat 2009-10

They play different positions.

MARIS was making no such distinctions. His implicit claim was simply that Roy shares the ball more because he has the ball more. There's no evidence of that.

You need to divide 7.0 by the average assist rate for PFs, and 25.2 by the average assist rate for PGs.

Outlaw is actually a wing and Roy is a shooting guard. The differences between small forward and shooting guard aren't that major. Portland plays Outlaw out of position because they have a glut at small forward and very little at backup power forward. His positional designation really only defines which opposing player he guards...he doesn't play a power forward role on offense (which is the relevant side of the game when talking about passing), he plays the role of a wing.