GOP Insiders: The Paul Ryan pick is a complete disaster

[jlprk]

I'm probably way too young, but how do I meet Sly Poker Dog's mother?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm probably way too young, but how do I meet Sly Poker Dog's mother?

She'll be doing the Hood to Coast for the 21st year in a row next weekend after next. You can wait for her along the route.

 

[VanillaGorilla]

She'll be doing the Hood to Coast for the 21st year in a row next weekend after next. You can wait for her along the route.

How will we know it's her?

 

[jlprk]

I'll put on my hood and wait for Little Red Riding Hood to scamper by, before taking her to my shack made of candy where I say Grandma, what big teeth you have.

I merged in Hansel and Gretel there.

 

[STOMP]

Reagan's budget directer David Stockman weighs in on Ryan's plan

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=4

In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.

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[Denny Crane]

Reagan's budget directer David Stockman weighs in on Ryan's plan

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=4

In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.

STOMP

Good find.

http://www.businessinsider.com/david-stockman-paul-ryan-budget-2012-8

Specifically, Stockman observes, Ryan's "phony" budget plan:

• Maintains Defense spending that is nearly twice the $400 billion (adjusted for today's dollars) that General Eisenhower spent in the 1960s
• Shreds the safety net provided by $100 billion in food stamps and $300 billion in Medicaid
• Does not cut one dime from Medicare or Social Security for another decade
• Includes no serious plan to create jobs
• Radically cuts taxes on the richest Americans while eliminating tax breaks that mostly help the middle class
• Fails to even consider a "value-added sales tax," which is the only way the country can begin to climb out of its budget hole

 

[Eastoff]

How will we know it's her?

she'll be the one tripping on her... oh nevermind.

 

[Eastoff]

This must be why he's not running on hope and change.

 

[jlprk]

Reagan's budget directer David Stockman weighs in on Ryan's plan

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=4

In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.

"Empty sermons" were Reagan's speeches in the 1980 campaign that got him elected by constantly promising to balance the budget. Within about 3 months of inauguration he fired Stockman, who like me had believed Reagan really intended to do it. By then we knew Reagan was a consummate liar and Stockman was shooting straight.

 

[Denny Crane]

This must be why he's not running on hope and change.

Surprise! DailyKOS looking for dirt instead of confronting the policies.

 

[Eastoff]

link

 

[RR7]

link

sheep.

 

[Eastoff]

sheep.

yes sir, yes sir, three bags full. (I won't tell you what it's full of though)

 

[Masbee]

Reagan's budget directer David Stockman weighs in on Ryan's plan

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/14/opinion/paul-ryans-fairy-tale-budget-plan.html?_r=4

In short, Mr. Ryan’s plan is devoid of credible math or hard policy choices. And it couldn’t pass even if Republicans were to take the presidency and both houses of Congress. Mr. Romney and Mr. Ryan have no plan to take on Wall Street, the Fed, the military-industrial complex, social insurance or the nation’s fiscal calamity and no plan to revive capitalist prosperity — just empty sermons.

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Stockman hasn't said anything positve about any major public figure in 20 years, nor has he had anything positive to say about any budgets in forever. He is prepetual negative. (not that he isn't right about most of it, but WTF does it matter?)

See Stockman part of any campaigns? See Stockman running for office? See Stockman drafting a budget for any national figure?

No. Know why?

Stockman's ideas are a complete disaster politically. He can't get elected. No national figure can get elected by telling the "truth", ie, the free lunch is over and if you want goodies it is will cost you.

So, when Stockman complains that a congressperson's ideas don't go far enough or don't add up or whatever, he is right, but completely irrelevant.

 

[PapaG]

Looks like SlyPokerDog found another poster to flex his small man's muscles toward on the interwebs.

WOOF!!

 

[MickZagger]

Looks like SlyPokerDog found another poster to flex his small man's muscles toward on the interwebs.

WOOF!!

A little late to the party. But, yeah, thats how it transpired...

 

[STOMP]

"Empty sermons" were Reagan's speeches in the 1980 campaign that got him elected by constantly promising to balance the budget. Within about 3 months of inauguration he fired Stockman, who like me had believed Reagan really intended to do it. By then we knew Reagan was a consummate liar and Stockman was shooting straight.

Stockman served as Reagan's Director of the Office of Management and Budget from 1981-85

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[Eastoff]

more mud

Paul Ryan sure doesn't stop giving ammunition.

 

[RR7]

more mud

Paul Ryan sure doesn't stop giving ammunition.

I was for the stimulus before I was against the stimulus?

 

[Eastoff]

I was for the stimulus before I was against the stimulus?

I was against the stimulus before I was for the stimulus, but It was only ironically for the stimulus.

Hipster Candidates are the new flip floppers!

 

[Denny Crane]

Is Guantanamo closed yet? Seems to me that is a really serious campaign promise not kept.

Since we escalated the war in Afghanistan, we've lost a lot of soldiers' lives. Where's the hissy fits about those unnecessary deaths?

And just what is victory in Afghanistan?

LOL

The nits you guys are finding with the VP candidate pale in comparison.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/08/17/is-joe-biden-a-liability-for-obama/

http://washingtonexaminer.com/hilla...her-own-2016-run/article/2505206#.UC6AINCe5Mi

 

[RR7]

so it's nitpicking when clear contradictions are pointed out on something that seems to be a major running point (economy, stimulus, $$$) with his party? Ok.

 

[blazerboy30]

so it's nitpicking when clear contradictions are pointed out on something that seems to be a major running point (economy, stimulus, $$$) with his party? Ok.

Seems reasonable. But are you also pointing out the clear contradictions with respect to the other party candidate(s)?

 

[Denny Crane]

I guess I'm not seeing the beef here. He voted against the stimulus. Once it passed against his wishes, he'd be a fool to exclude his district from receiving some of the money.

 

[RR7]

Seems reasonable. But are you also pointing out the clear contradictions with respect to the other party candidate(s)?

Not in the Paul Ryan thread, no, I'm not. Sorry.

 

[RR7]

I guess I'm not seeing the beef here. He voted against the stimulus. Once it passed against his wishes, he'd be a fool to exclude his district from receiving some of the money.

Can't beat 'em, join 'em?

 

[Eastoff]

I guess I'm not seeing the beef here. He voted against the stimulus. Once it passed against his wishes, he'd be a fool to exclude his district from receiving some of the money.

just that he conveniently didn't think he took stimulus money. and told people he didn't take stimulus money. but after repeated reports surfaced showing otherwise he said "oh THAT money... my bad"

 

[Denny Crane]

just that he conveniently didn't think he took stimulus money. and told people he didn't take stimulus money. but after repeated reports surfaced showing otherwise he said "oh THAT money... my bad"

How does this not square with what he says happened? I don't see any reason to be embarrassed by voting against the stimulus then bringing some of that money back to his constituents, since they're going to be paying for it anyway. If he came out and said that, would you have a beef? I don't. So if he says he had to dig up records that someone on his staff asked for the money, it seems legit. It even seems legit if he wrote a letter or letters supporting his constituents, knowing or not knowing it was for stimulus funds.

Did anyone in his district actually get any funds?

 

[barfo]

How does this not square with what he says happened? I don't see any reason to be embarrassed by voting against the stimulus then bringing some of that money back to his constituents, since they're going to be paying for it anyway. If he came out and said that, would you have a beef? I don't. So if he says he had to dig up records that someone on his staff asked for the money, it seems legit. It even seems legit if he wrote a letter or letters supporting his constituents, knowing or not knowing it was for stimulus funds.

Did anyone in his district actually get any funds?

It would seem they did, to the tune of $20 million:

Another Ryan letter on behalf of the Wisconsin Energy Conservation Corporation helped it secure $20 million from the federal government, by saying that the company would “create or retain approximately 7,600 new jobs over the three-year grant period and the subsequent three years."

I'm not buying that he requested $20 million of stimulus money without knowing he was doing it.

It's perfectly ok to request the funds, of course. Lying about it is not so ok.

barfo