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Because they said it's contingent on there being money in the Treasury.

And calling it a "huge percentage of discretionary spending" is BS semantics. Military salaries are ~$160B a year out of a $3.8T budget, which is about 3% of the budget.
 
They withheld taxes from my last paycheck. Certainly, the IRS is collecting money, so there is money in the treasury. Or cash flow, at least.

And the statement was huge pct. of DISCRETIONARY spending. The rest of the spending occurs because they are implemented as trust funds.
 
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It might work!
 
Well, Denny, here may be the first people it hits.

On Saturday, a U.S. Marine was killed in Helmand province. On Sunday, four troops were killed by an IED in southern Afghanistan. Until the shutdown ends, none of their families can expect to receive the “death gratuity” of $100,000 promised to immediately reach them within 24 to 36 hours. Grieving families also cannot expect the military to cover all the usual costs of family travel to meet their loved ones returning home for burial in American flag-draped coffins through Dover Air Force Base.
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The death gratuity’s purpose, the Army notes, is to “help the survivors in their readjustment and to aid them in meeting immediate expenses incurred.” Advocates say that bereaved military families they work with often use the money to cover funeral costs, to pay for family travel and to bridge the sudden end to a spouse’s regular paycheck, which cuts off immediately upon death.
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We've had a number of people die recently and we will be able to pay them, but not until the lapse of appropriation ends,” Pentagon Comptroller Bob Hale said in a phone briefing Friday to explain Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel’s interpretation of last week’s Pay Our Military Act. “We're trying to be helpful through aid societies and others to the family members who are involved in these tragic circumstances. But unfortunately, we don't have the legal authority to make those payments." Hale called the situation “heart-rending.” But he said that the Pentagon is simply “not allowed, by law,” to pay the money due families while the government is shut down.

So, to bring it a bit closer to home, if the rocket attacks we've been having get lucky and take me out tonight, my wife doesn't get our contractually-guaranteed death benefit, won't be able travel to Dover to meet my body, can't bring my mom and dad to wherever the funeral is: which wouldn't be a big deal, because we won't have cash to pay for a funeral because paychecks stop immediately (even though Death Benefit and life insurance won't get paid until money is appropriated). Meanwhile, the President's golf course at Camp David is open, Congress is getting paid, we can hire security to block WWII Memorial, but Marines getting blown up 7000 miles away can't get their contractually-guaranteed decent burial.
 
Brian,

Sorry to hear it. It seems the administration is using you guys as pawns to make some point.

As to "real jobs," I refer to the kind of make work jobs government has been about since the 3-letter programs in the FDR era. WPA and all that.

My experiences in dealing with government workers has been pretty consistent over the years:

In line to get a building permit, there are 4 windows, 1 is open, a long line of people waiting to apply. There are 5 workers clearly visible behind the counter chit chatting away or playing cards. Literally playing cards. So my view is either open the other windows and work, or get a real job. Fair enough?

To boot, I finally got to the front of the line and a building inspector came to the window and acted like a complete jerk. Everyone in line commented about it. In a real job, he'd have been fired.

I had similar experiences dealing with the federal government and city government since the 1970s.

http://www.marinecorpstimes.com/article/20131003/NEWS05/310030032/House-passes-shutdown-exemption-VA

The government shutdown exemption for the Veterans’ Affairs Department passed Thursday by the House of Representative does not resolve all of VA’s potential problems.

Approved by a 259-157 vote, the measure comes in response to a warning from VA that it could run out money to pay veterans benefits by late October if a government shutdown continues. Not only are Nov. 1 payments at risk, but VA officials said claims processing could also slow.

The House measure, HJ Res 72, would provide funds for disability compensation, survivors’ benefits and monthly GI Bill checks.
 
http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2013/10/shutdown-salmonella/
under staffed FDA and CDC so we don't know what is causing a salmonella scare starting up on the west coast. So just cook all of the food you eat. That means you, bean sprouts!

From your own link:

"It is the second time this year that the firm at the center of this alert, Foster Farms, has been linked to a nationwide Salmonella outbreak. In July, according to the CDC, 134 people in 13 states were made ill by chicken linked to two Foster Farms slaughterhouses."

So government isn't stopping these outbreaks in the first place. Where's the actual value add?
 
Can't believe they're going to pay these fucks for staying home.
 
Starting to hear a little rumbling going on . . . friend is changing his travel plans because getting a passport is a much longer process and he can't get any definite answers.

Business trip so he doesn't care too much (business does) . . . maybe not really an impact but enough of a situation he called and bitch to me about it.
 
Awesome. So all we need is to open the passport office and fund the military.

Anything else?

Seems like all that can be done for way less than we're spending now.
 
I notice not a single one, like I wrote in the first post. And?

Edit: ok, I do notice one thing. They talk about it on TV.
 
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=230635128

Quite a bit of interesting info in this article:

Drudge trumpets the bit about Obama's job approval rating at 37%.

4 in 10 republicans identify with the tea party.

GOP takes more share of the blame for the impasse.

Ted Cruz 36/16 favorable/unfavorable; close to Obama's job approval.

82% of democrats see the shutdown as a big problem. Less than 60% of the rest of us don't.

I quote:

More than 4 in 5 respondents felt no personal impact from the shutdown. For those who did, thwarted vacations to national parks, difficulty getting work done without federal contacts at their desks and hitches in government benefits were among the complaints.

(Seems I'm with the 80%).

And unrelated to the shutdown is the methodology of the poll. Called people to get their desired random sample, then got them to read and answer the poll questions online. I like this because there's less chance of the pollster influencing the people being polled, via voice inflection or relating to the callee due to similar characteristics.
 
A Federal Budget Crisis Months in the Planning

To many Americans, the shutdown came out of nowhere. But interviews with a wide array of conservatives show that the confrontation that precipitated the crisis was the outgrowth of a long-running effort to undo the law, the Affordable Care Act, since its passage in 2010 — waged by a galaxy of conservative groups with more money, organized tactics and interconnections than is commonly known.

With polls showing Americans deeply divided over the law, conservatives believe that the public is behind them. Although the law’s opponents say that shutting down the government was not their objective, the activists anticipated that a shutdown could occur — and worked with members of the Tea Party caucus in Congress who were excited about drawing a red line against a law they despise.

A defunding “tool kit” created in early September included talking points for the question, “What happens when you shut down the government and you are blamed for it?” The suggested answer was the one House Republicans give today: “We are simply calling to fund the entire government except for the Affordable Care Act/Obamacare.”

The media narrative treats the current crisis as some sort of breakdown in both parties, a generic "Federal Government" problem, with a "shame on both your houses" inflection. Now we find out that this "crisis" is exactly what it has seemed to many of us all along: a deliberate, orchestrated attempt to wreck the government by a number of well-funded conservatives
 
The media narrative has been very negative on republicans.

Not a lot of press saying Harry Reid's or Nancy Pelosi's rhetoric being uncivil as well as ridiculous.

Or not giving much ink to the fact the House has passed several Bills to fund things like national parks and military funeral expenses. The very things mentioned here.

To lay this at the feat of Republicans and along with a silly conspiracy theory flies in the face of Reason. Unless you missed them erecting fences around open air monuments and other blatant PR moves.

But whatever.
 
The media narrative has been very negative on republicans.

Not a lot of press saying Harry Reid's or Nancy Pelosi's rhetoric being uncivil as well as ridiculous.

Or not giving much ink to the fact the House has passed several Bills to fund things like national parks and military funeral expenses. The very things mentioned here.

To lay this at the feat of Republicans and along with a silly conspiracy theory flies in the face of Reason. Unless you missed them erecting fences around open air monuments and other blatant PR moves.

But whatever.

If you make a bigoted comment, you're a bigot. If you hold the country hostage, you're a hostage taker.
 
Republicans chose this as the battle ground for ACA months ago. This isn't the proper venue for disagreements over a law.
 
Republicans chose this as the battle ground for ACA months ago. This isn't the proper venue for disagreements over a law.

The first sentence may be true. Fine. But last time I read the constitution, spending bills must originate in the House. Seems to me they're well within their rights to dictate where money is to be spent.

It's not like Obama said he wouldn't negotiate. Oh yeah, he did say that. He gets an equal share of the blame for that alone.

In fact, I think he wanted the shutdown so he could use the national parks for PR value in an attempt to gain seats for Democrats in the next election.

If having government services were more important, he'd be asking Reid to pass whatever spending bills the House has already passed so at least those services could be back online.
 
If having government services were more important, he'd be asking Reid to pass whatever spending bills the House has already passed so at least those services could be back online.

So that the House can pass piece meal everything they want, and OOPS I guess you're stuck without ACA and SS and Medicare.
 
So that the House can pass piece meal everything they want, and OOPS I guess you're stuck without ACA and SS and Medicare.

SS and Medicare are trust funds. The taxes collected for those are separate. See your latest paycheck stub, if you have one :) The trust funds are authorized since day 1 to pay out benefits.

So no, they can't defund SS and Medicare. However, they can absolutely fuck with SS and medicare benefits. Talk of means testing, Clinton taxed SS benefits, and so on.
 
SS and Medicare are trust funds. The taxes collected for those are separate. See your latest paycheck stub, if you have one :) The trust funds are authorized since day 1 to pay out benefits.

So no, they can't defund SS and Medicare. However, they can absolutely fuck with SS and medicare benefits. Talk of means testing, Clinton taxed SS benefits, and so on.

Why can't they just change it? It's not like it's a law or something. You can't just defund a law, can you?
 

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