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DaRizzle said:
Byron Scott was hosed
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Byron Scott did not adjusted to his team. Just as he did not in New Jersey.

These guys might not be a contending team - but they should play better than what we have seen them play since, basically, the playoffs last year.

It seems that Sarge might be much more of a player's coach than him.
 
Peja does not have a poison pill contract. That's something that takes effect on extensions. Also, we can not trade Miles' contract. I just believe OKC would have more to offer, and cheaper options. I think a package with Aldridge talent wise could get close, but with his extension, I doubt he would take that on.

Funny, though, that there is a legit possibility Paul could become disgruntled soon. I doubt anything comes of it. Another possibility, though, is Deron Williams. Will he be happy if they continue to lose?
 
RR7 said:
Funny, though, that there is a legit possibility Paul could become disgruntled soon. I doubt anything comes of it. Another possibility, though, is Deron Williams. Will he be happy if they continue to lose?
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With Deron they had an end in sight. They are likely to get a very high draft pick next year from NYK and there is a chance they can get some cheaper talent in some kind of a Boozer trade.

With NOH - the situation does not seem that good.
 
I agree the future looks much better in Utah. I think they should try to trade Boozer now, personally, for any sort fo young talent they can find. If they fall into the lottery, that's two lottery picks for them. Maybe they can somehow find a taker for Okur and or Kirilenko? The thing is, will they just draft two guys in the lottery? If they trade those lottery picks, they can probably have a really nice, quick rebuild, but will Williams be happy hitting his prime when a team is moving closer to somewhat of a youth movement?
 
it's_GO_time said:
Some consider Aldridge overpaid . . . I don't think Shinn would want him.

For Chris Paul, you would have the entire league making offers. Given Shinn's mentality (save money) I would think he would be looking for expiring contracts, young cheap talent and dumping his bad contracts.

Rudy and Nic are cheap for a couple more years, Blazers have some expiring contracts and Allen has money . . . but genreally I would think Ptd would be a longshot if there were a CP3 sweepstakes.
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Maybe we could do a three way trade with New Jersey like I outlined in another thread giving New Jersey Aldridge and giving NO a big expiring contract from NJ or Devin Harris.

I feel like it would take a three way trade to get it done. I think if you are tagetting Paul you trade anyone but Oden...even Roy. You don't obviously go Roy + LMA for Paul but LMA and any combination of non-big three players to get Paul is a no brainer. You should definitely talk to other teams to get contracts to fit and talent enough to whet NO's appetite. God I hope KP is at least talking to NO.
 
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DaRizzle said:
Byron Scott was hosed
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andalusian said:
Byron Scott did not adjusted to his team. Just as he did not in New Jersey.

These guys might not be a contending team - but they should play better than what we have seen them play since, basically, the playoffs last year.

It seems that Sarge might be much more of a player's coach than him.
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What is there to adjust to? West hasn't been performing like he was in the past couple of years, Okafor basically gives them a power forward to play center who's not nearly the defender that Chandler was and the rest of that roster is mostly over the hill, under-aged or just plain garbage.

I see New Orleans having a personnel problem, not a coaching problem (well ... I think they definitely have a coaching problem now).
 
Boob-No-More said:
Check - Joel, Blake and Outlaw.



Check- Bayless, Batum, Rudy, Webster take em all if you want em.



Check - Paul Allen has said he'd be willing to pay the luxury tax to win a title. Adding Chris Paul to Brandon Roy, Greg Oden and LaMarcus Aldridge would give him a legitimate shot and winning multiple titles.

BNM
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A legitimate shot? The refs would have to throw games in such a fashion as to make the Lakers vs Kings and Dallas vs. Miami series seem fair to prevent us from having a dynasty that would make MJ jealous.

Roy + Paul + LMA + Oden + ME at small forward wins you 10 rings period.

Stern would have to act to get Bosh and LeBron to both sign in Miami to have a prayer of stopping a Portland Dynasty.
 
Just checked where? Peja does not have a poison pill provision on his contract. PPP is only on contract extensions for rookies.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Honestly, I don't think Paul is going anywhere. He's locked in. He's going to be there for a while. Unless he starts sand bagging (ala Vince Carter and the Raptors) I highly doubt they will trade him.
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I know, but we are just being hypothetical. It's fun!
 
RR7 said:
Just checked where? Peja does not have a poison pill provision on his contract. PPP is only on contract extensions for rookies.
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Check the salaries. Someone mentioned that Peja had a PPP provision. So I checked the contracts and they are very similar. If that's not the case, then it doesn't apply.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Check - Paul Allen has said he'd be willing to pay the luxury tax to win a title. Adding Chris Paul to Brandon Roy, Greg Oden and LaMarcus Aldridge would give him a legitimate shot and winning multiple titles.

BNM
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CP3, Roy, LA AND Greg? Hell... I'd be willing to pitch in to help ease the cost. I got 100 bucks right here for the Blazers for nothing in return if they make it happen!
 
He does not have a PPP. LMA does.

If a team trades an extended rookie between the date his extension is signed and the date it takes effect, his "trade value" for the receiving team is the average of the salaries in the last year of the scale contract and each year of the extension. This is called the poison pill provision. The sending team uses the player's actual salary when calculating their outgoing salary. They use the current-year maximum salary in place of the (unknown) maximum salary for a future season, if necessary.

Here is an example of a poison pill calculation: Carmelo Anthony earns $4,694,041 in 2006-07, the final year of his rookie scale contract. Prior to October 31, 2006 he signed a five year extension (bringing the total seasons to six) for the maximum salary, with the maximum 10.5% raises. Anthony's actual salary will not be determined until July 2007, when the maximum salary amounts for 2007-08 are set. During the 2006-07 season the 2006-07 maximum is assumed for the 2007-08 season ($13,762,775), and the salary in subsequent seasons is based on this amount ($15,070,550, $16,378,325 and $17,686,100, respectively). If Anthony is traded during the 2006-07 season, then his outgoing salary from the Nuggets' perspective is his actual salary of $4,694,041. His incoming salary from the other team's perspective would be $13,518,358 -- the average of his 2006-07 salary and the assumed salaries in the extension.
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So to NO, he counts as the first year of his extneion, 10.7 or whatever. But to us, he is less than that.
 
I thought we would lose tomorrow before this happened. Now I think it helps. I was under the impression that the players liked Scott. I doubt they like the GM more. The players have to be pissed to have this guy come him and think he can do better.

On another note I always hated Scott so I am not sheading any tears.
 
LMAO! I was just thinking about that comment above with KP wanting CP3 instead of Webster. Wouldn't that be ironic if KP somehow got CP3 using Webster?
 
RR7 said:
He does not have a PPP. LMA does.



So to NO, he counts as the first year of his extneion, 10.7 or whatever. But to us, he is less than that.
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Sorry my bad then. I didn't know if Pedja was or not. I was just going by what someone else posted and brought up Aldridge also being a PPP.
 
I'd start by taking Oden and Roy off the table. If bids escalated the price to the point that Roy had to be in the deal to make it happen, I'd reluctantly trade Roy. IMO, Chris Paul is the most valuable player in the NBA after LeBron James.

If Oden had to be in the deal, it would be tougher. In some sense, it's obvious to me that Paul is more valuable than Oden. But half the attraction of having Paul is to see him team with (what I believe will be) an elite big man.

My dream would be to somehow make Aldridge the centerpiece, with additional young players going out (Rudy, Bayless, Batum, Webster, Outlaw...some combination of these) and draft picks. Further ideally, Batum stays, since I think he has a chance to be a special player...but he's no deal-breaker. I don't know how that would work, though, with Aldridge's PPP status. Also, I realize that New Orleans probably doesn't want a big salaried player, but that could be worked around, perhaps, by Portland taking back a large contract in addition to Paul.

It's very messy, now that Roy and Aldridge have been extended...Portland no longer has cheap stars or near-stars (except Oden, whom I really don't want to include). And, of course, New Orleans probably won't seriously consider dealing one of the best point guards ever anyway.
 
Nikolokolus said:
What is there to adjust to? West hasn't been performing like he was in the past couple of years, Okafor basically gives them a power forward to play center who's not nearly the defender that Chandler was and the rest of that roster is mostly over the hill, under-aged or just plain garbage.

I see New Orleans having a personnel problem, not a coaching problem (well ... I think they definitely have a coaching problem now).
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Adjusting to them means respecting them and treating them like veterans, not like a bunch of kids they were when he got there. It looks like they just shut him out. The above post about him being an ass during training camp is what I suspected (I did not know that) - but these guys seemed like they did not care anymore.

Again, this team might not contend - but they should not be blown out the way they were recently. The reason they were blown out - was because they shut him out and stopped caring one bit (with the possible exception of CP3).

That was my opinion last year in the playoffs and from the little I saw them this year - they did not seem like they are listening to him at all.
 
andalusian said:
Adjusting to them means respecting them and treating them like veterans, not like a bunch of kids they were when he got there. It looks like they just shut him out. The above post about him being an ass during training camp is what I suspected (I did not know that) - but these guys seemed like they did not care anymore.

Again, this team might not contend - but they should not be blown out the way they were recently. The reason they were blown out - was because they shut him out and stopped caring one bit (with the possible exception of CP3).

That was my opinion last year in the playoffs and from the little I saw them this year - they did not seem like they are listening to him at all.
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I'm just somewaht playing devil's advocate here, as I don't think Scott is that great of a coach, but shouldn't Paul, as the leader of that team, get "his" guys to follow the directions of the coach? Be able to get everyone on the same page and playing hard and together. I know there are veteran guys that could just be stubborn or whatever. Fine. But I imagine if guys stopped caring and playing hard here, Roy would call them out, get them to follow along and on the same page. Not to say he is a miracle worker, but I couldn't see him letting us fall apart like they seem to be, and let guys just tune out the coach. Unless Paul is also tuning out the coach.
 
RR7 said:
I'm just somewaht playing devil's advocate here, as I don't think Scott is that great of a coach, but shouldn't Paul, as the leader of that team, get "his" guys to follow the directions of the coach? Be able to get everyone on the same page and playing hard and together. I know there are veteran guys that could just be stubborn or whatever. Fine. But I imagine if guys stopped caring and playing hard here, Roy would call them out, get them to follow along and on the same page. Not to say he is a miracle worker, but I couldn't see him letting us fall apart like they seem to be, and let guys just tune out the coach. Unless Paul is also tuning out the coach.
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I do not think CP3 is as good a leader or as well grounded and clean-cut as B-Roy.

But, does it really matter? Jason Kidd hated Scott as well and had him fired - should he not have looked at doing things like that as well? Superstars will do that when things do not go their way.

What this tells us is that either CP3 does not have the pull in the locker-room or - which is more likely imho, was just not happy with him as well.
 
andalusian said:
I do not think CP3 is as good a leader or as well grounded and clean-cut as B-Roy.

But, does it really matter? Jason Kidd hated Scott as well and had him fired - should he not have looked at doing things like that as well? Superstars will do that when things do not go their way.

What this tells us is that either CP3 does not have the pull in the locker-room or - which is more likely imho, was just not happy with him as well.
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I guess it just matters in an unrelated to this topic sort of way if one were to talk about trading Roy for Paul.
 
Paul isn't going anywhere.

This little coup doesn't happen without his consent. Also, what is up with making Bower coach? Does he have *any* relevant experience? The most likely explanation: Paul has named who he wants, and Bower is just faking it until they can negotiate a deal with the guy in question.

They wouldn't go to all this trouble if they were just going to turn around and deal Paul.
 
Maybe the owner made Bower be the coach the way they did in Minnesota with McHale? Sort of a you assembled this mess, you see if you can coach it.
 
magnifier661 said:
Just looked and CP3 only makes 13.5 mil this season? Wow, it really could be done if he's trying to force the issue. It could take pieces like this (contract-wise only). Bayless = 2.1 mil, Fernandez = 1.2 mil, Miller = 6.7 mil and Outlaw = 4 mil to get er done.

Yeah it's a ton of talent, but I doubt they would agree to anything less. Hell they may still laugh at us for offering it.
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We cant trade Miller until December 17th, and they would without a doubt laugh at that trade. Miller, Joel, Outlaw, and Bayless is the only thing that would add up and even then they wouldn't do it without dumping Peja's 13.5 million or West's 9 million. There is no way we could get Chris Paul without Oden, LA, and/or Roy being involved.
 
RR7 said:
Maybe the owner made Bower be the coach the way they did in Minnesota with McHale? Sort of a you assembled this mess, you see if you can coach it.
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Or Isiah with the Knicks.

Plus, Shinn is broke. So, he probably doesn't want to pay another coach if he doesn't have to. Bower is already on the payroll. So, might as well get double duty out of him. I'm sure he still has to pay off the remainder of Byron Scott's contract (probably has a partial buy out provision if Scott lands another coaching job).

BNM
 
I have done it. Dec 15 it works. IMAGINARY TRADES!!! :shitstorm:

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=ylc28og (Don't mind Oden, Batum and Dante--their salaries combine to form Miller's)

NY out: Curry, cash to NOH
NY in: Hilton Armstrong, Blakey, Bayless (or Outlaw, either way works)

NOH Out: Paul, Peja, Okafor
NOH In: LMA, Curry, Rudy, Outlaw (or Bayless), Miller, Przy

POR out: LMA, Przy, Outlaw, Blake, Bayless, Rudy
POR In: CP3, Okafor, Peja, 2.1M exception, 1.2M exception

Our lineup: (BTW, I'm planning on us turning one of those exceptions into Wilson chandler, too:))
CP3/Mills
Roy/Webster
Batum/Peja
Okafor/Howard/DC
Oden/JP

Time to call up Kopo and Freeland and Claver (oh My!)

NOH lineup: (after waiving Diogu and Marks and D. Brown)
Miller, Collison, Brown
Rudy, MoPete, Thornton
Posey/Outlaw/Wright
LMA/West/Songaila
Przy/Curry

That's an ok looking team. And the fact that they save 7M this year, get 3M in cash, trade Peja's contract for Curry's (and save another 16M right there), get LMA, Rudy and Bayless or Outlaw, to go with Przy and Miller. That's an entire starting lineup for CP3 and dumping contracts.
 
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