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Group Sues to Block Donald Trump From the Oregon Ballot
Free Speech for People argues Trump’s role in the Jan. 6 insurrection disqualifies him under the terms of the U.S. Constitution.

Austin, Texas-based nonprofit Free Speech for People has filed a lawsuit in the Oregon Supreme Court seeking to block former President Donald J. Trump from Oregon’s 2024 ballot.

The group, working with two veteran Oregon trial lawyers who frequently handle election cases, Dan Meek and Jason Kafoury, are making a fairly straightforward argument, which it presented to the state’s top elections official, Secretary of State Lavonne Griffin-Valade, last month:

“In the months leading up to the January 6, 2021, assault on the United States Capitol, and while his supporters were sacking the Capitol, former President Donald J. Trump incited and facilitated an insurrection against the United States,” the group’s letter said. “Mr. Trump has declared his candidacy for president again in 2024. However, under the Fourteenth Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, Mr. Trump is constitutionally ineligible to appear on any future ballot for federal office based on his engagement in insurrection against the United States.”



Griffin-Valade already considered that argument and, after consultation with lawyers at the Oregon Department of Justice, rejected it.

Here’s the explanation she gave Nov. 30:

“State law treats presidential primary elections differently than other elections where the secretary has the authority to disqualify a candidate,” Griffin-Valade said. “In a presidential primary, voters are not deciding who will hold office or even who will go on the general election ballot. Instead, they are communicating their preference to party delegates who choose a nominee at the party’s nominating convention.”


In their complaint, Meek and Kafoury cite Section 3 of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, the disqualification clause, which says no candidate can hold any office who “shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same.”

“The United States Constitution makes Donald Trump ineligible to run for or serve in any public office in the country, let alone president,” Kafoury said. “All Oregon voters, including the plaintiffs, have a well-established right to have only eligible candidates on the ballot. Since Secretary of State Griffin-Valade has announced that Trump will be on the primary ballot unless a court orders otherwise, we are seeking a court order preventing Trump from being on the ballot.”

Free Speech for People is pursuing the same argument in states across the country.

https://www.wweek.com/news/2023/12/...n-ballot/?mc_cid=6e188c5b27&mc_eid=6e4c39d97a
 
Difficulty is he has not been convicted so I think states would hesitate to punish before conviction. Concentrate energy on getting out the vote for sane candidates.
Looks like Biden is polling behind all 3 leading Republican candidates in most polls.

Not good...
 
Looks like Biden is polling behind all 3 leading Republican candidates in most polls.

Not good...
Just wait until Trump becomes a convicted felon. That will change the equation for a lot of people.

Way to go Oregon! A literal traitor should not be allowed on our ballot.
 
Looks like Biden is polling behind all 3 leading Republican candidates in most polls.

Not good...

Good news if you read the crisis tabs, Trump is not increasing in popularity while Biden is decreasing. What seems to be happening is folks who had unrealistic expectations of Biden are becoming disillusioned with him at the moment. What is very likely to happen once the general election starts going in full swing is that those folks will fall back into the fold and Biden will look much stronger going into next fall.
 
Good news if you read the crisis tabs, Trump is not increasing in popularity while Biden is decreasing. What seems to be happening is folks who had unrealistic expectations of Biden are becoming disillusioned with him at the moment. What is very likely to happen once the general election starts going in full swing is that those folks will fall back into the fold and Biden will look much stronger going into next fall.
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I don't know what unrealistic expectations people had of Biden... He's been pretty much what I thought he'd be. But I guess that's why I didn't like him much to begin with.

I think Dems just need to make some changes to their platform so they destroy crazy opposition.
 
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I'm not sure if that would actually matter to the people who are still supporting him.
Trump's base is going to support him even if he were to take a dump on their shoes (which he does on a daily basis They're just too stupid to notice) but I try to take hope from past history. In the early '90's, George H. W. Bush was coming off the "success" of the First Gulf War and had a huge, seemingly insurmountable lead against all challengers a year ahead of the 1992 election. It was depressing AF. But by the time the election rolled around, Kuwait was yesterday's news and the electorate realized just how badly 12 straight years of Republican administration had trashed this country. Enter Bill Clinton. My point is; a lot can happen in a year and Trump is a master of shooting himself in the foot. Or so I try to tell myself......
 
Trump's base is going to support him even if he were to take a dump on their shoes (which he does on a daily basis They're just too stupid to notice) but I try to take hope from past history. In the early '90's, George H. W. Bush was coming off the "success" of the First Gulf War and had a huge, seemingly insurmountable lead against all challengers a year ahead of the 1992 election. It was depressing AF. But by the time the election rolled around, Kuwait was yesterday's news and the electorate realized just how badly 12 straight years of Republican administration had trashed this country. Enter Bill Clinton. My point is; a lot can happen in a year and Trump is a master of shooting himself in the foot. Or so I try to tell myself......
Well, if we were coming off of 12 years of Republicans and had a young charismatic "Bill Clinton" running i'd feel much better about Dem chances.

Unfortunately, I think Joe Biden is closer to the George HW Bush in your example than Bill Clinton. Far closer.

"Hope" in this case is looking likely to get us a crazy Republican.
 
I don't think Trump will win the nomination. Most conservatives I know cant stand him. All the dems and centrist I know still support Biden. To many in the middle to vote trump President again.
 
I don't think Trump will win the nomination. Most conservatives I know cant stand him. All the dems and centrist I know still support Biden. To many in the middle to vote trump President again.
I think there's a lot of people who claim they don't support Biden, but push comes to shove, they'll vote for him (same with Trump, if he's the nominee).

I also think the media uses "polls" to drive viewers. "Haley is ahead of Biden by 17 points in all polls". She's just the shiny piece of candy right now, and honestly, who gets polled? Older conservative people by far are polled more than younger progressive people.

Plus, 538 proved polls don't mean shit. Especially when the Huge Chavez controlled space laser changes votes for us at the flip of a switch.
 
Out of curiosity @Phatguysrule who are you suggesting would do better than Biden? Honestly the only Den I think may do better is Andy Bashear.
 
Out of curiosity @Phatguysrule who are you suggesting would do better than Biden? Honestly the only Den I think may do better is Andy Bashear.
I'm not convinced the DNC would support anybody who would actually be better than Biden. He is their prototypical candidate.

Maybe Gavin Newsom... I think he'd be more likely to win than Biden... But not sure he'd be any better than Biden. He is younger, so he's got that going for him.

But until the DNC changes I'm not sure we're going to get much better candidates than that.
 
I'm not convinced the DNC would support anybody who would actually be better than Biden. He is their prototypical candidate.

Maybe Gavin Newsom... I think he'd be more likely to win than Biden... But not sure he'd be any better than Biden. He is younger, so he's got that going for him.

But until the DNC changes I'm not sure we're going to get much better candidates than that.

I'm not sure that the DNC could do better than Biden, as far as policy goes. He seems to generally be good at finding the policies that are most popular.

Or to put it another way, I don't think you can expect the DNC to change until and unless what the voters want changes.

Where Biden falls down (ha ha) is in the charisma department. He's a friendly old goat like Reagan, but lacking Saint Ronnie's speaking abilities. And that definitely hurts among the I-want-to-be-entertained voters.

barfo
 
I'm not sure that the DNC could do better than Biden, as far as policy goes. He seems to generally be good at finding the policies that are most popular.

Or to put it another way, I don't think you can expect the DNC to change until and unless what the voters want changes.

Where Biden falls down (ha ha) is in the charisma department. He's a friendly old goat like Reagan, but lacking Saint Ronnie's speaking abilities. And that definitely hurts among the I-want-to-be-entertained voters.

barfo
I'm sure that's why he's trailing all 3 Republican leaders in most polls. Because his policies are so popular.

His speaking ability was well known when he was leading potential Republican candidates in most polls last couple election cycles...
 
I'm sure that's why he's trailing all 3 Republican leaders in most polls. Because his policies are so popular.

His speaking ability was well known when he was leading potential Republican candidates in most polls last couple election cycles...

Yes, he won the nomination last time despite his speaking style. By appealing to more primary voters than his competition.

He's trailing in the polls at the moment because people want something new. As they so often do. Voters have short memories and very small reptilian brains.

Maybe the polls will change. Maybe they won't. Doesn't matter, national general election polls mean very little except to the extent they influence, rather than reflect, voting behavior.

We'll just have to wait and see who the few thousand voters that matter in WI and AZ decide we should have as President.

barfo
 
Only 11 % of voters live in swing states and maybe half vote. Undemocratic electoral college ensures minority rule.
 
I don't understand why the news networks CNN & MSNBC and others give trump all the pub. Seems they dedicate so much to this guy and it only props him up. CNN home page, trump this trump that, they should all go silent on the dude.
 
Head of CNN said in 2016 Trump bad for country, good for ratings. Biden is boring. He just gets shit done without fanfare. Doesn't say outrageous things or boast of his greatness or make threats. Probably majority of the population don't know what he has done in office although it's a lot.
 
Head of CNN said in 2016 Trump bad for country, good for ratings. Biden is boring. He just gets shit done without fanfare. Doesn't say outrageous things or boast of his greatness or make threats. Probably majority of the population don't know what he has done in office although it's a lot.
Gotta blame the Democrats for being pure shit at messaging. Too busy (as @Hoopguru said) shouting Trump this and Trump that. Like tearing Trump down is going to build Biden up. They need an immediate and strong blitz, highlighting every good thing Biden has done, along with pointing out (factually) that the Republicans are the ones taking away personal freedoms, NOT the Dems. Maybe the deplorable don't have any kind of money set aside but my own retirement accounts have made exponentially more money under Biden than they EVER made under Trump. and I know I'm not the only one. I do a fair amount of roadtripping, and the amount of infrastructure work being currently accomplished around this entire country is staggering (and the Democrats are letting the Republican who shit all over it take the credit!!!) Unions are making somewhat of a comeback, despite strong pushback from the Republican and their oligarch masters. As ugly and difficult as the Right has made daily American lives over the past four decades, there is still a lot of good shit getting done by the Biden Administration and they, the DNC and the honest media (assuming such a thing exists) needs to start leaning in hard on those facts. Stop letting ignorant, illiterate, racist Republicans control the messaging.
 

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