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53%. Not bad.

Interesting that Evan Turner leads the league for points in the restricted area.
 
magnifier661 said:
Doesn't work well with my phone. So who is it?
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LMA by 13 shots over Derozen.

He's 5 for 6 for in the paint but not the restricted area.

However, he's 4 for 10 in the restricted area side of the paint. Hmm.
 
Not surprised at all, but his is funny because the Blazers came into the season talking about their renewed defensive philosophy being predicated on forcing opponents into mid range jumpers because they are the least efficient shot in basketball, and now our best player is chuck away from mid range. Maybe it's a protest against the new defensive philo? j/k
 
So LaMarcus is hitting the 'least efficient shot in basketball' at a 53% clip? Not bad. So far.
 
Baracuda said:
Not surprised at all, but his is funny because the Blazers came into the season talking about their renewed defensive philosophy being predicated on forcing opponents into mid range jumpers because they are the least efficient shot in basketball, and now our best player is chuck away from mid range. Maybe it's a protest against the new defensive philo? j/k
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At what distance is a shot considered mid -range and why is it considered the least efficient shot in basketball? Less efficient than say a 24' shot? I agree most BB players don't focus on the mid range shot as much as they used to, but I have been saying for years we need more mid range shooters on this team. This year it looks like we do. And this is a bad thing? I am stunned that this is the perception now a days.

Some of the greatest scorers in the game made mid range shots with ease. MJ, Kobe, Dirk. Iverson, Alex English, West.
An open mid range shot is not a bad thing.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
At what distance is a shot considered mid -range and why is it considered the least efficient shot in basketball? Less efficient than say a 24' shot? I agree most BB players don't focus on the mid range shot as much as they used to, but I have been saying for years we need more mid range shooters on this team. This year it looks like we do. And this is a bad thing? I am stunned that this is the perception now a days.

Some of the greatest scorers in the game made mid range shots with ease. MJ, Kobe, Dirk. Iverson, Alex English, West.
An open mid range shot is not a bad thing.
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It really isn't, as long as you can drain them. Jordan used a mid range game as efficiently as a center 5 feet from the basket. And this spreads the floor more and allows cuttings to get really good baskets. I saw a few dumps from Aldridge to cutters to the basket that was money!
 
Sean is the Mannion said:
currys hitting the 3 at about the same rate
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Right and are people complaining about his shot selection? No

If LMA is shooting "open" mid range jumpers, then those are great shots IMO. Much better than most contested shots
 
For the average player the further away you are from the basket the harder it is to make the shot. If LaMarcus keeps up his current pace yes it would be a quality shot but I'd expect him to regress closer to his career average which close to the 40% range. That is fine if the shot clock is winding down but it shouldn't be the primary option, there are better looks the team should try to get first.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
At what distance is a shot considered mid -range and why is it considered the least efficient shot in basketball? Less efficient than say a 24' shot? I agree most BB players don't focus on the mid range shot as much as they used to, but I have been saying for years we need more mid range shooters on this team. This year it looks like we do. And this is a bad thing? I am stunned that this is the perception now a days.

Some of the greatest scorers in the game made mid range shots with ease. MJ, Kobe, Dirk. Iverson, Alex English, West.
An open mid range shot is not a bad thing.
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Brandon Roy LIVED off of mid range jump shots.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
At what distance is a shot considered mid -range and why is it considered the least efficient shot in basketball? Less efficient than say a 24' shot? I agree most BB players don't focus on the mid range shot as much as they used to, but I have been saying for years we need more mid range shooters on this team. This year it looks like we do. And this is a bad thing? I am stunned that this is the perception now a days.

Some of the greatest scorers in the game made mid range shots with ease. MJ, Kobe, Dirk. Iverson, Alex English, West.
An open mid range shot is not a bad thing.
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Exactly. Jordan's whole game was turnaround fadeaway midrange shots with 3 guys on him.
 
Draco said:
For the average player the further away you are from the basket the harder it is to make the shot. If LaMarcus keeps up his current pace yes it would be a quality shot but I'd expect him to regress closer to his career average which close to the 40% range. That is fine if the shot clock is winding down but it shouldn't be the primary option, there are better looks the team should try to get first.
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I agree that the closer you are the better chance you have to making the shot. However I would also argue that the more open you are also gives you a better chance of making the basket. (assuming the shot is within your comfort zone)

I mean what is better for a guy like LMA (who can shoot), a wide open 15-18 footer, or a shot in the lane where not only his man is banging on him, but where a second player is also within reach trying to slap the ball away. A motion offense like we have all been begging for, helps create a lot of open mid range shots. Doug Moe would have loved LMA.

Now a contested mid range shot is a different story, but with LMA's length and the fact that other bigs often are slow to cover him out there, he gets a lot of open mid range shots. Seems like Garnett has lived on that type of shot. Why not LMA. He still gets post up baskets as well.
 
Not a surprise, and not surprised that it's almost double the rest of the league. (Watch out for sample, though).

Speaking only for myself, the concern about LMA shooting so many mid-range (worst efficiency shot in the league (TM) ) J's is that he's not very good/efficient at it. He shoots them at a 10% worse pace than Dirk and Kaman and Mark Gasol and Bosh, and about 5% less than KG/Duncan/Speights/West/Ibaka/Anderson/Scola/Bass and roughly the same as Lee/Horford/Vucevic. He's not "elite" from this distance in anything other than volume. I keep bringing this up, but you get the same result from LMA shooting a 16-23 footer as you would having Shaq or DeAndre Jordan shoot FTs or Josh Smith shooting nothing but 3's (.82 points per possession). That's, uh, not optimal.

Now, if he's going to shoot a Dirk-like 53% for the season? By all means. I'd love to see it, and you'd see me urging him on. But here are his career numbers:
41.8
41.7
41.2
42.5
40.3
42.8
39.0

If you project something higher than 43% (which is where it's Shaq shooting FTs or Josh Smith shooting 3's), I'd be happy to listen to why. Would you be excited if we traded LMA for Josh Smith and watched Smith lead the league (by 200?!?) in 3pt shots?
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I mean what is better for a guy like LMA (who can shoot), a wide open 15-18 footer, or a shot in the lane where not only his man is banging on him, but where a second player is also within reach trying to slap the ball away. A motion offense like we have all been begging for, helps create a lot of open mid range shots. Doug Moe would have loved LMA.

Now a contested mid range shot is a different story, but with LMA's length and the fact that other bigs often are slow to cover him out there, he gets a lot of open mid range shots. Seems like Garnett has lived on that type of shot. Why not LMA. He still gets post up baskets as well.
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I haven't been able to watch a game in a year, so I don't know if they're wide-open or contested. But he's shooting more of the worst shot in basketball per game than anyone, and he's doing it at a rate that isn't efficient at all. If they're contested (and that's why his % is low), then that's not optimal. If they're wide-open and he missing almost 60% of them, that's not better news.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I haven't been able to watch a game in a year, so I don't know if they're wide-open or contested. But he's shooting more of the worst shot in basketball per game than anyone, and he's doing it at a rate that isn't efficient at all. If they're contested (and that's why his % is low), then that's not optimal. If they're wide-open and he missing almost 60% of them, that's not better news.
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You lost me. I thought he was shooting 53% from mid range.

As far as the "worst shot in basketball" theory, I don't prescribe to that theory.
 
Through 3 games, he is. Through the other 488 games of his career he's shooting 41%.

Which theory do you prescribe to? Do you just not care about offensive efficiency?
 
BrianFromWA said:
Through 3 games, he is. Through the other 488 games of his career he's shooting 41%.

Which theory do you prescribe to? Do you just not care about offensive efficiency?
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Am I missing something, I thought the worst shot was the long mid-range which is usually described as 18 feet to the three line, and everything closer is considered a different shot.
 
I call it 16-23, b/c that's where the basketball-reference breakdown goes. If you want to call it 18-23, I won't complain too much.

The way I've seen it in the last few years has been broken down to "at rim", "3-10 feet", "10-16 feet", "16-23 feet", "3point"
 
The mid range shot is the least efficient shot in the game because it produces the fewest points per attempt, LMA's hot shooting start of 53.1% on mid range 2s is ~10% above his normal average and still produces slightly fewer pts than the league average 3 pt shot (last season 35.9%, equivalent to 53.85% from 2).

It's a solid tool when used sparingly, a bigman keeping the defense from packing the paint or a guard like Lillard using the pullup to keep the defense guessing on penetration is a solid play, it still produces below the league average offense but it's still a decent enough shot as long as you shoot mid 40s or higher.

But taking as many as LMA does ends up hurting our offense in the end, last season he took 11.4% of the teams total FGA from between 10ft and the 3pt arc at an efficiency of 0.85pts per attempt. The rest of the teams FGA produced 1.02pts per attempt, so he's taking a ton of shots from a place that just doesn't produce good offense.

I could live with 5 or 6 a game from him, but he's averaging over 16 mid range shots a game on that chart.... He's hot right now but that shot selection needs to get better or we'll end up paying for it when he comes back down towards his career averages.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Through 3 games, he is. Through the other 488 games of his career he's shooting 41%
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I don't care about his past stats. Nor do I put that much weight on all those numbers. There are too many other factors that come into play on a basketball court. (i.e his first couple years he was young, the last few years his teammates sucked.....whatever. Who knows what the circumstance were for each of those 488 games.

I know you like the advanced stats, and I find them interesting when you you guys mention them, but I take them with a grain of salt.

Bottom line is LA can shoot. If he is open I want him shooting that mid range jumper. Just like I want Damian, Wes, and Nic to shoot when they are wide open. Keep moving the ball to the open man and don't worry about the stats. Sure I prefer they attack the basket, but an open jumper would be my second choice.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Bottom line is LA can shoot.
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Yet we've never, EVER seen statistic proof of that. His career has proven that he gets as many points for his team shooting his mid-range jumper each possession as DeAndre Jordan on the foul line (who gets benched at the end of games b/c of that efficiency) and Josh Smith shooting 3's (who every team in the league would happily leave him open for all day long). He can't shoot as well as Dirk/KG/Scola/West/Ibaka/Love/on and on and on, and yet he shoots more per game than anyone (including K*BE??!).

If he is open I want him shooting that mid range jumper. Just like I want Damian, Wes, and Nic to shoot when they are wide open. Keep moving the ball to the open man and don't worry about the stats. Sure I prefer they attack the basket, but an open jumper would be my second choice.
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LMA shooting the jumper is taking away from someone else shooting somewhere else on a more efficient shot, or himself shooting from a better place on the floor. 0.84 points per shot isn't just "advanced stats", it's a metric to show why one's eyeballs/opinions/gut feels don't seem to be translating into a better team.
 
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