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MARIS61 said:
Criminals and terrorists buy their guns on the black market, or steal them.

Those are felony crimes, with serious consequences, and yet that is how nearly all guns used in crimes are obtained.
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Yet guns used in school shootings don't generally seem to be black market guns.

Maybe you could legislate to outlaw all crime?:dunno:
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I think that's already been done. By definition.

barfo
 
barfo said:
No. But we can regulate them, like sensible people would.



barfo
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A hilariously empty gesture.

Anyone with a composter can make their own ammonium nitrate.

Anyone with a few boxes of wooden matches can make a bomb. Or burn down a building full of people.

You can't legislate bad people. You can't prevent them. Not without enslaving yourself.
 
MARIS61 said:
A hilariously empty gesture.

Anyone with a composter can make their own ammonium nitrate.

Anyone with a few boxes of wooden matches can make a bomb. Or burn down a building full of people.

You can't legislate bad people. You can't prevent them. Not without enslaving yourself.
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Yep. No point in having laws if some people break laws. Right?

barfo
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
http://wate.com/2015/10/04/8-yr-old...ine-shooting-police-arrest-11-yr-old-suspect/

WHITE PINE, Tenn. (AP) – An 11-year-old boy has been charged with murder after he killed his 8-year-old neighbor, police said, and witnesses say it was because the girl wouldn’t let him see her puppy.

Deputies were called to the neighborhood in White Pine, about 40 miles east of Knoxville, on Saturday night. The boy shot the girl from inside his home with his father’s 12-gauge shotgun, said Jefferson County Sheriff Bud McCoig.

Latasha Dyer told WATE-TV (http://bit.ly/1KWbDPA) her daughter was playing outside when the next-door neighbor asked to see the puppy. McKayla told the boy “no,” and he shot her, Dyer said. A neighbor, Misty Edwards, said her niece was playing with the girl and saw what happened.

“She was a precious little girl. She was a mommy’s girl. No matter how bad of a mood you were in she could always make you smile,” Dyer told the station. “I want her back in my arms.”

The sheriff would not discuss the motive with local media, and the sheriff’s office did not immediately return messages from The Associated Press.

The shooting happened in a neighborhood where all the kids knew each other and played together, McCoig said.

The two children went to the same school, where McKayla was in second grade and the boy in fifth grade. Dyer said the boy had bullied her daughter before, when they first moved to the neighborhood.

“He was making fun of her, calling her names, just being mean to her,” she said. “I had to go the principal about him and he quit for a while, and then all of a sudden yesterday he shot her.”

The boy was scheduled to appear in court on Monday on a charge of first-degree murder. The hearing was closed because he is a juvenile, and authorities have not released his identity to the public.
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Looks like boy's parents should be more responsible. The guns should be locked up properly, which supports my theory that there needs to be education on safety.

Sly should run a "register the children" campaign
 
magnifier661 said:
Sly should run a "register the children" campaign
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Introducing the new Bang Bang Barbie and her Malibu Mac-10.

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magnifier661 said:
Looks like boy's parents should be more responsible. The guns should be locked up properly, which supports my theory that there needs to be education on safety.

Sly should run a "register the children" campaign
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My theory (and it's only a theory) is they should either send the kid off to well regulated militia school for wayward boys (that'll learn'em), or they could just abort him a little late.
 
the fact that his mother (and possibly more family) knew this fuckwad had mental issues and yet still allowed him to have guns (they lived together ya?) is beyond me. I think I even read he received help to get guns from family members too? Like, IMO, his family should be held partially responsible for this pyscho's actions.
 
Denny Crane said:
Here's a "reasonable" idea.

If you commit a crime with gun drawn, mandatory 20 year sentence. If you kill, death penalty.

If somebody you know uses your gun, you are equally guilty.
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That's meant to cover, among other things, cases where the kids gain access to the parents' guns.

The point is to hold gun owners VERY responsible for their use.

Granted, I don't think this is going to stop criminals from getting guns illegally and using them. However, the harsh penalties should deter some.
 
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This is a facebook post from the mother of the shooter. Gun culture is out of control in this country.

http://www.vocativ.com/news/236762/oregon-shooter-chris-harper-mercer-guns



Here is an article about her stockpiling guns for fear of Obama.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-mom-ore-shooter-stockpiled-guns-article-1.2384460

The mother of the Oregon mass murderer stockpiled firearms because she feared stricter gun laws — and shopped around for a shooting range that would let her and her son fire away without supervision, the Daily News has learned.
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donkiez said:
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Here is an article about her stockpiling guns for fear of Obama.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/exclusive-mom-ore-shooter-stockpiled-guns-article-1.2384460
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Wow, this is from that article:


"She told my husband she just purchased some new guns a few weeks ago and took him shooting. I thought the whole situation was very strange. If you know your son has mental health issues, do you encourage a fascination with guns?"

Steele spoke out two days after Harper’s heavily-armed son murdered eight students and their instructor before fatally shooting himself.

Steele said Harper told her that Chris was “sickly” as a child, had “mental problems” growing up and suffered from Asperger's."


Not to mention other weird personality quirks about his mother. Sounds like they were both crazy, except the mother was functional and was able to legally purchase guns. No law or background check is going to fix that problem, unfortunately.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
And look at what has happened. The government has come in and taken all of her guns.

She was right to be worried.
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Lol, omg too fucking funny. In truth though, I believe people often conjure their own worst fears one way or another.
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
Our country has a gun fetish. It's disturbing.
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Actually, it's a constitutional right fetish. Maybe more should really get on board and support our freedom. I could care less if you choose not to buy guns, or even tell others to not buy guns. But once the government starts politicizing their agenda with tragedies to punish the "law abiding citizens" for wanting to own guns, that's when you get protest. GOOD FOR THEM
 
blue32 said:
Not to mention other weird personality quirks about his mother. Sounds like they were both crazy, except the mother was functional and was able to legally purchase guns. No law or background check is going to fix that problem, unfortunately.
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Your right unfortunately, its really hard to build laws to protect against that. What we need is a culture change, the rabid fixation on things like guns and Obama is creating a paranoia that people with mental disorder seem to latch onto. That and we could actually help people with mental disorders rather than use them for gun regulation scapegoats. 9/10 I just described will also be against any form of "socialized healthcare". If fucking ridiculous and shameful.
 
No, but your comment was obtuse. Just trying to figure out what you were saying. Sounded like you were supporting mom's decision to stock up on guns in light of concerns over gun control despite the fact that she had a mentally ill son in the house.
 
Sedatedfork said:
No, but your comment was obtuse. Just trying to figure out what you were saying. Sounded like you were supporting mom's decision to stock up on guns in light of concerns over gun control despite the fact that she had a mentally ill son in the house.
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Well, I'm glad we cleared that up.
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
Our country has a gun fetish. It's disturbing.
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That is entirely untrue (generalization). The biggest issue that most people have is with the anti-gun crowd wanting to come in and make more laws to try to control a free people/state. Owning a gun is in the bill of rights whether you like it or not.

I own some guns; I do not have a gun fetish. But I like having the piece of mind there in case someone were to break into my house. Also I like to target shoot once in a while. The majority of gun owners pretty much resemble this from my experiences.

Edit, I will say that some people may have fetishes. But that goes for every damn thing in the world.
 
Contrary to popular belief, there are gun owners who are willing to discuss gun control...I like how pro gun folks assume the rest of us are unarmed and don't own the things. It's like being anti Republican and folks assume you're a liberal or Democrat. Interesting which segment of the discussion gets the angriest about it when anger is what caused the discussion in the first place
 
blue32 said:
That is entirely untrue (generalization). The biggest issue that most people have is with the anti-gun crowd wanting to come in and make more laws to try to control a free people/state. Owning a gun is in the bill of rights whether you like it or not.

I own some guns; I do not have a gun fetish. But I like having the piece of mind there in case someone were to break into my house. Also I like to target shoot once in a while. The majority of gun owners pretty much resemble this from my experiences.

Edit, I will say that some people may have fetishes. But that goes for every damn thing in the world.
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I think your ability to put forth a reasonable, consistent, and coherent point of view goes a long way in my support for your gun rights even when I dont agree with you. Others Im not so sure about.

Gun grabbers become gun grabbers though, because they feel it is the only course of action to take, which it is not. Part of the problem is that gun nuts make it an all or nothing situation, where it feels like that is the course of action and then we are back at square one.
 
riverman said:
Contrary to popular belief, there are gun owners who are willing to discuss gun control...I like how pro gun folks assume the rest of us are unarmed and don't own the things. It's like being anti Republican and folks assume you're a liberal or Democrat. Interesting which segment of the discussion gets the angriest about it when anger is what caused the discussion in the first place
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