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MARIS61 said:
illegal immigration currently restricts tens of millions of decent, law-abiding people from moving to America.
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How does it do that?

I agree with you that many law-abiding people are prevented from moving to America, but I don't think it is illegal immigration that prevents them from doing so. It is the stupid way we manage legal immigration that restricts legal immigration.

barfo
 
Here are his 2 motives. "1) You rape our women and 2) are taking over our country. You have to go." So Denny concentrates on 2) and ignores 1).

crandc said:
Why is this not called a terrorist attack?
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crandc said:
Now, why are we not hearing where was the father? Why are we not hearing moderate whites need to repudiate this crime?
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Why aren't we hearing conservative feminists like you repudiate this feminist terrorist? And his mother too.
 
barfo said:
How does it do that?

I agree with you that many law-abiding people are prevented from moving to America, but I don't think it is illegal immigration that prevents them from doing so. It is the stupid way we manage legal immigration that restricts legal immigration.

barfo
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Since it's inception and still to this day, America has welcomed more immigrants than any country on Earth.

America currently has over 45,000,000 immigrants and legally adds about 1,000,000 more every year under current policies.

Russia is 2nd at 11,000,000 immigrants and like America encourages immigration.

Major European countries like France, Germany and Great Britain are hovering around 7,000,000 and all are severely curtailing current and future immigration.

Like most countries that encourage or even allow immigration, and there aren't very many, limits and quotas have to be set in order to protect the economy, the safety, and the overall stability of the welcoming country. Since it is known and accepted that there are tens of millions of illegal aliens already here, most of them employed at slave wages while overloading our social services resources, an equal number or perhaps larger number must be subtracted from those legally allowed to enter.

If every illegal alien voluntarily went back to their own country the US would raise their quotas to allow a like number to enter legally. So instead of having 10 million criminals devoid of basic morals like honesty and fairness who are here not be Americans but to take from Americans, we would have 10 million decent, honest community members who want to be one of us.

We have the largest GDP in the world, and that is what draws modern immigrants.

An open-door policy like Denny Crane suggests would result in 1-2 billion foreigners moving here in the first year, destroying America.
 
MARIS61 said:
Like most countries that encourage or even allow immigration, and there aren't very many, limits and quotas have to be set in order to protect the economy, the safety, and the overall stability of the welcoming country. Since it is known and accepted that there are tens of millions of illegal aliens already here, most of them employed at slave wages while overloading our social services resources, an equal number or perhaps larger number must be subtracted from those legally allowed to enter.
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That's an interesting theory, but I don't see any evidence that our quotas are in fact set based on the number of illegal immigrants.

If every illegal alien voluntarily went back to their own country the US would raise their quotas to allow a like number to enter legally.
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I don't see any evidence for that assertion either.

barfo
 
Besides this thread's terrorist murders by the male feminist who was motivated by the rape issue...

One day ago, Jewish terrorists destroyed the church where Jesus supposedly walked on water, and where he made the Sermon on the Mount (when he made bread into fish to feed his audience).

http://rt.com/news/268255-church-arson-israel-settler/
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Anonymous ISIS provocateurs destroy old buildings from other religions...so do anonymous Israeli ones.

http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/26/middleeast/mideast-church-mosque-fire/
 
It's not an attack against "Christians" generically. If the killer just wanted to target "Christians" he'd go to the nearest church. He drove a long way to target a Black church with a long history of struggle against racism and oppression. His words made it clear his target was race-based and not "Christian".

And for the record I am not one of "his women". He does not own me, he does not protect me, he has no right to my body or life, people like him make the world less safe for me as a woman.

I suppose some people don't recognize satirical comments. When Freddie White was killed, and there were protests, some protesters attacked property. It was called a riot. We heard about the evils of black culture and where were black fathers and why didn't civil rights leaders condemn (which they did). When two Muslims targetted the Boston Marathon we heard about Islamism and why didn't moderate Muslims condemn (they did). When white bikers shot each other full of holes in Texas it was not a riot, it was a "melee" or even a "brouhaha" and no one asked where were white fathers and what is wrong with white culture and why don't moderate whites or moderate bikers condemn.

My point, which I guess I have to spell out in words of one syllable, is that a white male is seen as an individual. A black person or a Muslim or an immigrant is representative of the whole "group".
 
crandc said:
It's not an attack against "Christians" generically. If the killer just wanted to target "Christians" he'd go to the nearest church. He drove a long way to target a Black church with a long history of struggle against racism and oppression. His words made it clear his target was race-based and not "Christian".

And for the record I am not one of "his women". He does not own me, he does not protect me, he has no right to my body or life, people like him make the world less safe for me as a woman.

I suppose some people don't recognize satirical comments. When Freddie White was killed, and there were protests, some protesters attacked property. It was called a riot. We heard about the evils of black culture and where were black fathers and why didn't civil rights leaders condemn (which they did). When two Muslims targetted the Boston Marathon we heard about Islamism and why didn't moderate Muslims condemn (they did). When white bikers shot each other full of holes in Texas it was not a riot, it was a "melee" or even a "brouhaha" and no one asked where were white fathers and what is wrong with white culture and why don't moderate whites or moderate bikers condemn.

My point, which I guess I have to spell out in words of one syllable, is that a white male is seen as an individual. A black person or a Muslim or an immigrant is representative of the whole "group".
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This was kind of my point as well. Some people seem amazing reluctant to call this what it is. I am seeing lots normalizing it with other crime because all crime contains elements of hate, or focusing on the vague religious aspect rather than the obvious racial one. Im not sure if this is racism or just denial though, probably a mix of both.
 
donkiez said:
This was kind of my point as well. Some people seem amazing reluctant to call this what it is. I am seeing lots normalizing it with other crime because all crime contains elements of hate, or focusing on the vague religious aspect rather than the obvious racial one. Im not sure if this is racism or just denial though, probably a mix of both.
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The church and racism are certainly elements of this heinous crime.

My take is the church is symbolic and also a sort of magnet that drew the victims together in one place.
 
Denny Crane said:
The church and racism are certainly elements of this heinous crime.

My take is the church is symbolic and also a sort of magnet that drew the victims together in one place.
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I believe it was historically significant church to the black community so it was probably chosen for that reason and the convenience of find a group of black people with their guards down. So I guess I agree with you but I feel like we need to argue over it. :)
 
Sure assholes, racists, facists, and greedy people with weapons have practiced genocide for religious reasons, power, wealth, racism, etc..I don't see on that list the Chinese laborers massacred during the goldrush or entire tribes of Native americans killed for land or lynched slaves in the south, etc...America has a bloody history and many of those killed here did not have a record of their plight in the archives...just a trail of blood. Conquistadors from Spain were a bloody lot as well. Each of these massacres is a travesty and to even put up a list showing we're not number 1 in the world is pointless. This white kid is a product of his own making and a monster. I am sickened by the fact that it's still happening in 2015
 
My heart goes out to the victims and their families. There's no justification for senseless murder of innocent people no matter what the incentive was.
 
MARIS61 said:
No, I have never posted those words in reference to anyone other than ILLEGAL ALIENS, and you are quite aware of that fact. I have never singled out any race or ethnicity as being better or worse than any other, because they're not.

In reality, we are all the same race, from the same origin.

As I have posted before, I fully support legal immigration and would love to see it increased, but rampant illegal immigration currently restricts tens of millions of decent, law-abiding people from moving to America.

And yet you continue to lie about my posts and slander me with your racist hate-speech tantrums. Seems to be a violation of board rules in there, and posters have been banned for less. Maybe you should give yourself a time-out?
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Very few times I agree with you; but on illegal immigration I definitely do. Keep up the good fight.
I do not support people coming here illegally and are then able to suck up our services, whether that be medical, driving, etc.
 
Unfortunately not everyone is condemning.
Because you can't condemn what you deny. (you not directed against people here, a generic "one")

The NRA, unsurprisingly, blamed the pastor, who is also a state senator, for voting against open carry. Or was it concealed carry? Can't keep it straight.

Several on the conservative side claim the target was "Christians", and is part of the "attack on Christianity". Like gay people getting married, or teaching science. I'll bet you anything if the Supreme Court legalizes marriage quality they will say it's an attack on Christians just like the killing in this church. Fox News and Wall Street Journal explicitly said racism is not an issue. Fox blamed abortion. Really. Rick Perry said the problem was prescription drugs. Jeb Bush said we don't know what was in the killer's mind. Even though he said so, clearly, and more than once, that he was out to kill people who are black. Bush also said we need to "recommit to Christ". He can commit to whoever he wants, I am not committing to any religion, thank you. Also blamed: Al Sharpton, Barack Obama, liberals, gun control, gays.

The killer could not legally purchase a gun due to criminal record so his father bought him one. Father of the year.

And the confederate flag still flies over South Carolina. Unlike the American and State flags, it is not at half mast. Numerous state politicians have tried to say it's "our heritage", Mark Sanford "explained" it was part of their heritage for centuries. Yes, for centuries during which human beings were owned as property because their skin was darker. That's the heritage and the confederate flag belongs in the same garbage dump as the swastika flag.

It was reported that the killer (and many kudos to the 72 year old woman who tracked him) is talking and reportedly said the people in the church were so nice to him, a stranger, that he almost changed his mind. He almost was a human being. He almost saw these people with whom he had been worshipping as fellow human beings. What stopped him from being human was not anti-Christianity, or Barack Obama, or prescription drugs, or abortion, or gay marriage. What stopped him from being human was racism. And anyone denying that is not really condemning these murders.
 
BTW, if a church wants to be a "gun free" zone....isn't that the exercise of their religious freedom?
 
What would happen if you were to hold church services inside of a gun store?
 
They don't want to argue about the real issue, his self-proclaimed motive...after 40 years of nonstop rape propaganda turning back the clock and making everyone sexually paranoid, he proclaimed he was killing blacks because they rape. He is a radical male feminist.

At age 21, that's how his generation has been indoctrinated in school. Sexual repression propaganda is what keeps this country conservative.
 
crandc said:
What stopped him from being human was racism.
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It certainly seems to be the case from what he said. But perhaps there is a little more worthy of note.
It was surely and un Christian act and adding this with what he said, I think he was not a Christian. Perhaps no moral train at all.

If he was a racist (no argument here) then he sure as hell was a cowardly one, he didn't go take out the Bloods. No he went after the Christians in their sanctuary where no guns are allowed.
Pretty safe place to be an ass hole practicing his race hate.

Most of these young wackos the last few years have been without a Dad or a mentally absent one. This one seems to be all fucked up and Dad is even be part of the problem, giving his wacko kid a gun. I hope some heavy charges are laid on his ass too. It appears he is guilty of creating a monster and then arming it.
 
crandc said:
It's not an attack against "Christians" generically. If the killer just wanted to target "Christians" he'd go to the nearest church. He drove a long way to target a Black church with a long history of struggle against racism and oppression. His words made it clear his target was race-based and not "Christian".

And for the record I am not one of "his women". He does not own me, he does not protect me, he has no right to my body or life, people like him make the world less safe for me as a woman.

I suppose some people don't recognize satirical comments. When Freddie White was killed, and there were protests, some protesters attacked property. It was called a riot. We heard about the evils of black culture and where were black fathers and why didn't civil rights leaders condemn (which they did). When two Muslims targetted the Boston Marathon we heard about Islamism and why didn't moderate Muslims condemn (they did). When white bikers shot each other full of holes in Texas it was not a riot, it was a "melee" or even a "brouhaha" and no one asked where were white fathers and what is wrong with white culture and why don't moderate whites or moderate bikers condemn.

My point, which I guess I have to spell out in words of one syllable, is that a white male is seen as an individual. A black person or a Muslim or an immigrant is representative of the whole "group".
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You're wrong about that, and it's a pretty lame argument that is unsupportable by facts, links, or even common sense.

Freddie White riots:
When ANY black is unjustly killed by a non-black (which happens way too often) and the media makes a big deal about it (as they should), "many" riot, steal, kill people and basically act like sociopaths. In the last year alone they have pretty much destroyed 3 cities causing well over a billion dollars in damage. They ruined the lives of scores of businessmen most of whom were black. There was no outcry from the media at all, which instead actually tried to justify their murderous behavior. Despite the fact that most were caught on camera, there was no arrest or prosecution of the thousands of criminals who torched occupied buildings, stole everything that wasn't nailed down, stoned people on the street, murdered policemen, and riddled passing cars with bullets. And you wonder why racism continues?
No need to ask where thousands of black fathers were those nights because we saw them all on camera. Their kids are better off being fatherless.

Boston Massacre:
Muslims murdering westerners happens every day somewhere and has since the 70's at least, I've yet to hear or see any repudiation by moderate muslims in major media.
Doesn't matter, actions speak louder than words so I'm waiting for these moderates to get off their duffs and act. Until they do, I'll view them as I view Nazi soldiers who "were just following orders".

White Male Bikers in Waco:
192 people were initially arrested in connection with the shootout with 171 of those charged with participation in organized crime.[3] They were booked at the McLennan County Jail. Per that inmate list, as of May 19, 171 people were arrested under arrest case WPD-15-9146, charged with engaging in organized criminal activity. Of them, 124 were white males, 41 were Hispanic males, three were white females, two were black males, and one was a Native American female.
melee

noun: melee ·
a confused fight, skirmish, or scuffle

If you've actually read the many eyewitness accounts this was definitely a classic melee, a political meeting of rival gangs where a fight between 2 bikers turned into a shooting of one, a retaliation against a couple others, and sent 200 surprised bikers running for cover. Waiting cops sprayed the crowd with semi-automatic fire killing 4 or 5 bikers and causing more panicked stampeding for the exits. Probably not your standard Bay Area melee, but everything's bigger in Texas.

Nobody asked where the bikers fathers were because the bikers are mostly in the 40-75 age group.

Comparing an unplanned gang shootout where only the shooters were hurt to pre-planned mass events meant to deliberately harm hundreds or thousands of innocent strangers to convey a political message is pathetic.

You say "My point, which I guess I have to spell out in words of one syllable, is that a white male is seen as an individual.", but your posts make it clear you personally don't see us as individuals. Neither does the media.
 
Apparently he has a website and posted his manifesto there - http://lastrhodesian.com/ http://lastrhodesian.com/data/documents/rtf88.txt

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Fucking loser.

Here is the manifesto -

I was not raised in a racist home or environment. Living in the South, almost every White person has a small amount of racial awareness, simply beause of the numbers of negroes in this part of the country. But it is a superficial awareness. Growing up, in school, the White and black kids would make racial jokes toward each other, but all they were were jokes. Me and White friends would sometimes would watch things that would make us think that “blacks were the real racists” and other elementary thoughts like this, but there was no real understanding behind it.

The event that truly awakened me was the Trayvon Martin case. I kept hearing and seeing his name, and eventually I decided to look him up. I read the Wikipedia article and right away I was unable to understand what the big deal was. It was obvious that Zimmerman was in the right. But more importantly this prompted me to type in the words “black on White crime” into Google, and I have never been the same since that day. The first website I came to was the Council of Conservative Citizens. There were pages upon pages of these brutal black on White murders. I was in disbelief. At this moment I realized that something was very wrong. How could the news be blowing up the Trayvon Martin case while hundreds of these black on White murders got ignored?

From this point I researched deeper and found out what was happening in Europe. I saw that the same things were happening in England and France, and in all the other Western European countries. Again I found myself in disbelief. As an American we are taught to accept living in the melting pot, and black and other minorities have just as much right to be here as we do, since we are all immigrants. But Europe is the homeland of White people, and in many ways the situation is even worse there. From here I found out about the Jewish problem and other issues facing our race, and I can say today that I am completely racially aware.

Blacks

I think it is is fitting to start off with the group I have the most real life experience with, and the group that is the biggest problem for Americans.
Niggers are stupid and violent. At the same time they have the capacity to be very slick. Black people view everything through a racial lense. Thats what racial awareness is, its viewing everything that happens through a racial lense. They are always thinking about the fact that they are black. This is part of the reason they get offended so easily, and think that some thing are intended to be racist towards them, even when a White person wouldnt be thinking about race. The other reason is the Jewish agitation of the black race.
Black people are racially aware almost from birth, but White people on average dont think about race in their daily lives. And this is our problem. We need to and have to.
Say you were to witness a dog being beat by a man. You are almost surely going to feel very sorry for that dog. But then say you were to witness a dog biting a man. You will most likely not feel the same pity you felt for the dog for the man. Why? Because dogs are lower than men.
This same analogy applies to black and White relations. Even today, blacks are subconsciously viewed by White people are lower beings. They are held to a lower standard in general. This is why they are able to get away with things like obnoxious behavior in public. Because it is expected of them.
Modern history classes instill a subconscious White superiority complex in Whites and an inferiority complex in blacks. This White superiority complex that comes from learning of how we dominated other peoples is also part of the problem I have just mentioned. But of course I dont deny that we are in fact superior.
I wish with a passion that niggers were treated terribly throughout history by Whites, that every White person had an ancestor who owned slaves, that segregation was an evil an oppressive institution, and so on. Because if it was all it true, it would make it so much easier for me to accept our current situation. But it isnt true. None of it is. We are told to accept what is happening to us because of ancestors wrong doing, but it is all based on historical lies, exaggerations and myths. I have tried endlessly to think of reasons we deserve this, and I have only came back more irritated because there are no reasons.
Only a fourth to a third of people in the South owned even one slave. Yet every White person is treated as if they had a slave owning ancestor. This applies to in the states where slavery never existed, as well as people whose families immigrated after slavery was abolished. I have read hundreds of slaves narratives from my state. And almost all of them were positive. One sticks out in my mind where an old ex-slave recounted how the day his mistress died was one of the saddest days of his life. And in many of these narratives the slaves told of how their masters didnt even allowing whipping on his plantation.
Segregation was not a bad thing. It was a defensive measure. Segregation did not exist to hold back negroes. It existed to protect us from them. And I mean that in multiple ways. Not only did it protect us from having to interact with them, and from being physically harmed by them, but it protected us from being brought down to their level. Integration has done nothing but bring Whites down to level of brute animals. The best example of this is obviously our school system.
Now White parents are forced to move to the suburbs to send their children to “good schools”. But what constitutes a “good school”? The fact is that how good a school is considered directly corresponds to how White it is. I hate with a passion the whole idea of the suburbs. To me it represents nothing but scared White people running. Running because they are too weak, scared, and brainwashed to fight. Why should we have to flee the cities we created for the security of the suburbs? Why are the suburbs secure in the first place? Because they are White. The pathetic part is that these White people dont even admit to themselves why they are moving. They tell themselves it is for better schools or simply to live in a nicer neighborhood. But it is honestly just a way to escape niggers and other minorities.
But what about the White people that are left behind? What about the White children who, because of school zoning laws, are forced to go to a school that is 90 percent black? Do we really think that that White kid will be able to go one day without being picked on for being White, or called a “white boy”? And who is fighting for him? Who is fighting for these White people forced by economic circumstances to live among negroes? No one, but someone has to.

Here I would also like to touch on the idea of a Norhtwest Front. I think this idea is beyond stupid. Why should I for example, give up the beauty and history of my state to go to the Norhthwest? To me the whole idea just parralells the concept of White people running to the suburbs. The whole idea is pathetic and just another way to run from the problem without facing it.
Some people feel as though the South is beyond saving, that we have too many blacks here. To this I say look at history. The South had a higher ratio of blacks when we were holding them as slaves. Look at South Africa, and how such a small minority held the black in apartheid for years and years. Speaking of South Africa, if anyone thinks that think will eventually just change for the better, consider how in South Africa they have affirmative action for the black population that makes up 80 percent of the population.
It is far from being too late for America or Europe. I believe that even if we made up only 30 percent of the population we could take it back completely. But by no means should we wait any longer to take drastic action.

Anyone who thinks that White and black people look as different as we do on the outside, but are somehow magically the same on the inside, is delusional. How could our faces, skin, hair, and body structure all be different, but our brains be exactly the same? This is the nonsense we are led to believe.
Negroes have lower Iqs, lower impulse control, and higher testosterone levels in generals. These three things alone are a recipe for violent behavior. If a scientist publishes a paper on the differences between the races in Western Europe or Americans, he can expect to lose his job. There are personality traits within human families, and within different breeds of cats or dogs, so why not within the races?
A horse and a donkey can breed and make a mule, but they are still two completely different animals. Just because we can breed with the other races doesnt make us the same.
In a modern history class it is always emphasized that, when talking about “bad” things Whites have done in history, they were White. But when we lern about the numerous, almost countless wonderful things Whites have done, it is never pointed out that these people were White. Yet when we learn about anything important done by a black person in history, it is always pointed out repeatedly that they were black. For example when we learn about how George Washington carver was the first nigger smart enough to open a peanut.

On another subject I want to say this. Many White people feel as though they dont have a unique culture. The reason for this is that White culture is world culture. I dont mean that our culture is made up of other cultures, I mean that our culture has been adopted by everyone in the world. This makes us feel as though our culture isnt special or unique. Say for example that every business man in the world wore a kimono, that every skyscraper was in the shape of a pagoda, that every door was a sliding one, and that everyone ate every meal with chopsticks. This would probably make a Japanese man feel as though he had no unique traditional culture.

I have noticed a great disdain for race mixing White women within the White nationalists community, bordering on insanity it. These women are victims, and they can be saved. Stop.

Jews

Unlike many White naitonalists, I am of the opinion that the majority of American and European jews are White. In my opinion the issues with jews is not their blood, but their identity. I think that if we could somehow destroy the jewish identity, then they wouldnt cause much of a problem. The problem is that Jews look White, and in many cases are White, yet they see themselves as minorities. Just like niggers, most jews are always thinking about the fact that they are jewish. The other issue is that they network. If we could somehow turn every jew blue for 24 hours, I think there would be a mass awakening, because people would be able to see plainly what is going on.

I dont pretend to understand why jews do what they do. They are enigma.



Hispanics

Hispanics are obviously a huge problem for Americans. But there are good hispanics and bad hispanics. I remember while watching hispanic television stations, the shows and even the commercials were more White than our own. They have respect for White beauty, and a good portion of hispanics are White. It is a well known fact that White hispanics make up the elite of most hispanics countries. There is good White blood worht saving in Uruguay, Argentina, Chile and even Brasil.

But they are still our enemies.


East Asians

I have great respent for the East Asian races. Even if we were to go extinct they could carry something on. They are by nature very racist and could be great allies of the White race. I am not opposed at all to allies with the Northeast Asian races.


Patriotism

I hate the sight of the American flag. Modern American patriotism is an absolute joke. People pretending like they have something to be proud while White people are being murdered daily in the streets. Many veterans believe we owe them something for “protecting our way of life” or “protecting our freedom”. But im not sure what way of life they are talking about. How about we protect the White race and stop fighting for the jews. I will say this though, I myself would have rather lived in 1940's American than Nazi Germany, and no this is not ignorance speaking, it is just my opinion. So I dont blame the veterans of any wars up until after Vietnam, because at least they had an American to be proud of and fight for.


An Explanation

To take a saying from a film, “I see all this stuff going on, and I dont see anyone doing anything about it. And it pisses me off.”. To take a saying from my favorite film, “Even if my life is worth less than a speck of dirt, I want to use it for the good of society.”.

I have no choice. I am not in the position to, alone, go into the ghetto and fight. I chose Charleston because it is most historic city in my state, and at one time had the highest ratio of blacks to Whites in the country. We have no skinheads, no real KKK, no one doing anything but talking on the internet. Well someone has to have the bravery to take it to the real world, and I guess that has to be me.

Unfortunately at the time of writing I am in a great hurry and some of my best thoughts, actually many of them have been to be left out and lost forever. But I believe enough great White minds are out there already.

Please forgive any typos, I didnt have time to check it.
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SlyPokerDog said:
Here is the manifesto
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OK, he convinced me. Pure logic throughout.
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Man that would have been funny to dissect if it weren't so tragic. He contradicts himself repeatedly and is obviously bat shit stupid.
 
Further said:
OK, he convinced me. Pure logic throughout.
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Man that would have been funny to dissect if it weren't so tragic. He contradicts himself repeatedly and is obviously bat shit stupid.
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If only you were blue for a day...
 
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