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[BigGameDamian]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[riverman]

There are simply far fewer reasons for Taiwanese to be violent or out of their minds than Americans.

You should put not being able to own a gun right on top of the list as one of these reasons. Taiwan has the population of Canada or Australia on an island 3X the size of the Big Island of Hawaii.. I know what Taiwanese life is like. I can say it's demonstrably safer than anywhere in the US from gun violence. Their politicians will punch it out in parliament but in public, it's a rare occurrence. As a society they lead by example and we should take notice and adapt. Oncee again, guns aren't making you or I safer. Quite the contrary. Sadly gun violence and suicide by gun in this country is like drunk driving and road rage. People aren't getting shot here over health care. Taiwan has plenty of mentally ill people as well who slip between the cracks. Almost impossible for them to access a gun though. I won't argue with you about gun control. We've already had that conversation but this is how I feel having lived both places.

 

[Phatguysrule]

put not being able to own a gun right on top of the list as one of these reasons. Taiwan has the population of Canada or Australia on an island 3X the size of the Big Island of Hawaii.. I know what Taiwanese life is like. I can say it's demonstrably safer than anywhere in the US from gun violence. Their politicians will punch it out in parliament but in public, it's a rare occurrence. As a society they lead by example and we should take notice and adapt.

I completely understand. You have experience living there, and I'm jealous. I'm super happy you have gotten to live there and can share your experiences with us.

But, we can demonstrally say it is safer than United States from ANY kind of violence.

Not just gun violence.

We have data to back that up.

The people are happier, healthier, and less violent in general. Regardless of guns. Because they have far better social policy.

Universal Healthcare alone would make a HUGE dent in violent crime here in the US. And probably prevent some mass murders as well.

 

[crandc]

Trump: I going to destroy an entire civilization
Media: Democrats need to tone down rhetoric

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[THE HCP]

I completely understand. You have experience living there, and I'm jealous. I'm super happy you have gotten to live there and can share your experiences with us.

But, we can demonstrally say it is safer than United States from ANY kind of violence.

Not just gun violence.

We have data to back that up.

The people are happier, healthier, and less violent in general. Regardless of guns. Because they have far better social policy.

Universal Healthcare alone would make a HUGE dent in violent crime here in the US. And probably prevent some mass murders as well.

Is it strange to have the same views about guns as all the hillbilly nutjob Trump supporters? Honestly? Down to earth honest question. I’m not sure how I’d feel going to sleep each night knowing that I have the same feelings about ANYTHING as these people. Just wouldn’t sit right with me. Sorry. I realize you are a dedicated involved husband and father…..that’s why I am completely baffled by your support for this shit.

 

[CORipCity]

Unfortunately the guns aren't going away.

That's a much harder problem to solve than universal healthcare. Or even Medicare For All Who Want it.

Even if you could get the gun laws you want they wouldn't make a difference.

There are hundreds of millions of unregistered guns in the US. We are a country with a strong manufacturing background and all the materials necessary to build as many black market guns as we have criminals.

It's actually easier to make a fully automatic machine gun than a semi automatic.

Now, a wide ranging gun law that only restricts criminals? That's something every side of the political isle can get behind. Marking the drivers license or ID of every violent criminal with a weapon restriction, and limiting gun purchases to only people with unrestricted drivers license or ID? You could probably sell that.

Especially if you offered national reciprocity for concealed carry as a trade...

I think there is headway that could be made. I just don't think "Guns=Bad and anybody who disagrees = crazy gun nut" is an effective strategy to get anything further done.

John Fetterman supports your entire message.

Again, want proper messaging to move the needle? Release photos of the Uvalde kids.

 

[CORipCity]

Trump: I going to destroy an entire civilization
Media: Democrats need to tone down rhetoric

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[CORipCity]

I completely understand. You have experience living there, and I'm jealous. I'm super happy you have gotten to live there and can share your experiences with us.

But, we can demonstrally say it is safer than United States from ANY kind of violence.

Not just gun violence.

We have data to back that up.

The people are happier, healthier, and less violent in general. Regardless of guns. Because they have far better social policy.

Universal Healthcare alone would make a HUGE dent in violent crime here in the US. And probably prevent some mass murders as well.

You just SLURP up that gun-industry/NRA propaganda, don't you?

How many people do you think you could kill in 30 seconds with a butter knife? How many people could you kill with even a sword? 1? 2? If you're lucky, and with immense amounts of training?

With a gun, and 30 minutes of training, anyone can kill dozens of people in under a minute with a gun.

Cue your next argument "wHat abOuT vAnS". Sure, vehicles are dangerous, hence we have a century's worth of safety regulations and criminal vehicle code sections that deal with irresponsible vehicle use. And that's even despite the clear society advantages for medical care/commerce that vehicles provide.

Guns provide zero social utility other than recreation and death. And they perform the latter with breathtaking efficiency to all, regardless of whether you make the choice to own one. (Tho the owners of said guns are also far more likely to be killed by guns, ironically enough. Another inconvenient fact for your "people need guns to protect themselves" canard.)

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm not a gun person but...

Until we're long done with the current administration and their constant attacks and erosions of our Civil Rights I don't think it would be wise to place limits on the 2nd Amendment.

This discussion needs to happen, and I hate kicking the can down the road, but I'm not sure now is the time.

 

[CORipCity]

I'm not a gun person but...

Until we're long done with the current administration and their constant attacks and erosions of our Civil Rights I don't think it would wise to place limits on the 2nd Amendment.

This discussion needs to happen, and I hate kicking the can down the road, but I'm not sure now is the time.

Right now isn’t the time for any legislation, period. The only thing the GOP will pass is authorization of a giant dicksucking machine named after Donald Trump.

Every day the headlines it’s like “Switzerland provides free apartments for new parents” and meanwhile “US authorizes Flock Cameras in girls locker rooms” in the US. We’re basically a failed state.