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Republicans don’t support anything. Not one single thing.
They support national reciprocity for concealed carry.

Which is part of my proposal.
I think I’ve cited about a dozen proposals, you’ve just ignored them. Your inability to read is not my problem.
There is no evidence those proposals would do anything.


While I certainly support Medicare for All, that claim is based on absolutely nothing.

Lack of Insurance to Blame for Almost 45,000 Deaths: Study

*Edit* added link. But its almost 20 years old (time flies).

Here's a source from 2020

"Furthermore, we estimate that ensuring healthcare access for all Americans would save over 68,000 lives and 1.73 million life-years every year."


Sigh. Why do you lie? That’s a Johns Hopkins study and it says 17k died from 1988 to 2005. Not annually. Like I said, you are pathologically dishonest on this subject.
Not a lie, I got that one confused with the one I just posted above. 45k Americans per year die due to lack of insurance.

Good catch.

2000 annually. Double the amount of kids killed by lack of health insurance. Something you cared about seven minutes ago.
And which of your proposals could save 1000 of them? That's how many Medicare For All would save, since they died due to lack of insurance and would have insurance.

Great proposal, Joe Lieberman. Got some block grants for Medicaid you could offer me? What a load of shit.
So education is bad? What's the down side?
And something that would do absolutely nothing except make NRA fundraisers feel nice and cozy and sleep well as the headlines about dead kids at school pour in.
You think education about gun safety would make no difference? Really?
You have the worst fucking case of projection I have ever seen. This is literally a discussion about guns that you shoehorned Medicare into. Red herrings? Lmaoooo
Because Medicare For All would save as many lives as are taken by guns (actually nearly 50% more). No gun control could do that.

But gun control does cost a lot of political capital.

What the fuck does this mean, centrist Yoda?
Look it up.
 
Republicans don’t support anything. Not one single thing.


I think I’ve cited about a dozen proposals, you’ve just ignored them. Your inability to read is not my problem.



While I certainly support Medicare for All, that claim is based on absolutely nothing.


Sigh. Why do you lie? That’s a Johns Hopkins study and it says 17k died from 1988 to 2005. Not annually. Like I said, you are pathologically dishonest on this subject.

2000 annually. Double the amount of kids killed by lack of health insurance. Something you cared about seven minutes ago.

Great proposal, Joe Lieberman. Got some block grants for Medicaid you could offer me? What a load of shit.

And something that would do absolutely nothing except make NRA fundraisers feel nice and cozy and sleep well as the headlines about dead kids at school pour in.

You have the worst fucking case of projection I have ever seen. This is literally a discussion about guns that you shoehorned Medicare into. Red herrings? Lmaoooo

What the fuck does this mean, centrist Yoda?

Time to have a little talk.

Our new software has an AI feature that monitors posts and compares them to past posts by people who have been previously banned. I did not know we had this but your posts have tripped this feature.

Also, we have a very clear and strong no personal insult rule. You're really pushing things with multiple posts that are insulting to someone whose only crime is disagreeing with you.

Tone it down.
 
Time to have a little talk.

Our new software has an AI feature that monitors posts and compares them to past posts by people who have been previously banned. I did not know we had this but your posts have tripped this feature.

Also, we have a very clear and strong no personal insult rule. You're really pushing things with multiple posts that are insulting to someone whose only crime is disagreeing with you.

Tone it down.
Where are the personal insults? Identifying someone who is lying is a “personal insult”? Maybe you should be more worried about people who spam with bad-faith arguments? That’s what he’s doing about gun deaths that kill 2k kids annually.
 
Time to have a little talk.

Our new software has an AI feature that monitors posts and compares them to past posts by people who have been previously banned. I did not know we had this but your posts have tripped this feature.

Also, we have a very clear and strong no personal insult rule. You're really pushing things with multiple posts that are insulting to someone whose only crime is disagreeing with you.

Tone it down.
Also, super chill method, calling someone out and accusing them (thanks to your apparently shitty AI program) of being a banned user, in public. Might I suggest a DM next time, if you want a chill response?
 
How is that helping anything, aside from assisting in the interstate transfer of more guns?
By offering it in trade (using a federal test that is readily available and free) for a national law to have states mark restricted people's IDs with a weapons restriction and make it a felony to sell to a restricted person.

This creates a database of criminals rather than a database of gun owners. A federal database of gun owners is one of the things so many people are afraid of with universal background checks.

I certainly don't want Trump having that information when he declares martial law.

This allows everyone to help. Nobody wants to give guns to violent criminals. Except other criminals.

This would allow every transfer everywhere to be verified. Have a free website that can verify if the ID is authentic and up to date.

Except that they’ve been put into practice in dozens of western countries where their gun death rates are a minuscule fraction of ours. You know, except for that obvious fact.
And for every study you can find that shows causation related to those laws and violent crime or murder rates, I can show you a study that says it wasn't or it's undermined.

Further, how many of those countries had 500 million guns? How many had 50-100 million people who love guns and manufacturing all set up to kick black market gun sales into high gear?

There is no correlation between guns and violent crime or murder across countries, or even US states.

Oregon passed super strict gun laws in 2015, requiring background checks on even private party sales .

What happened? Crime increased. Including gun crime. was that due to the gun law? No, probably not. But it wasn't very effective, either.

Was that supposed to include a link? Because it doesn’t. And, as usual, deaths related to health insurance has as much to do with this as the Gazan genocide. Why are you mewling about this nonsense?
Your gun control ideas aren't proven to work. In fact , most data shows they aren't very effective at all at preventing violent crime or murder.

The push for further gun control robs the left of people who would otherwise support a candidate running on Medicare For All.

This costs us Congressional power that could support Medicare For All. Which would almost certainly have a bigger impact on violent crime and murder rates than any gun law you've suggested.

Safe storage laws, gun buybacks, mandatory background checks, assault weapons bans (akin to the 1994 ban, the one you’re lying about), magazine capacity limits and gun seizures for any violations would likely save at least that many.
Lol. safe storage like Adam Lanza's Mom had? Super effective. And unconstitutional to require by law... Supreme Court has already ruled in DC v. Heller 2008 that a law prohibiting residents from keeping a loaded, functional firearm ready for self-defense is not Constitutional.

Gun buybacks absolutely do not work. I've already showed you that. This isn't even up for debate. The data is incredibly clear.

The 1994 assault weapons ban that didn't result in reduced violent crime or murder rates? The one in which violent crime and murder rates dropped after it expired? How did I lie?

What is an assault weapon? How is it different than a hunting rifle?

Correct. We have more gun education now than 40 years ago, and orders of magnitude more gun deaths. Really cool to learn fun facts about the things killing us tho!
We do not have more ready access to gun safety education than we used to. That used to be what the NRA did before they went crazy. Not so much now...

Certainly people do not learn about guns as much as they used to. And if they aren't learning about them then the education isn't working.

Totally made up factoid.
Nope. But it was an older study from 2009.

Here is a newer one from 2020
"we estimate that ensuring healthcare access for all Americans would save over 68,000 lives"

Guns coat a lot of lives.
Do they? How many do they save?


a 2013 study ordered by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and conducted by The National Academies’ Institute of Medicine and National Research Council reported that, “Defensive use of guns by crime victims is a common occurrence”:

"Almost all national survey estimates indicate that defensive gun uses by victims are at least as common as offensive uses by criminals, with estimates of annual uses ranging from about 500,000 to more than 3 million, in the context of about 300,000 violent crimes involving firearms in 2008."
 
Time to have a little talk.

Our new software has an AI feature that monitors posts and compares them to past posts by people who have been previously banned. I did not know we had this but your posts have tripped this feature.

Also, we have a very clear and strong no personal insult rule. You're really pushing things with multiple posts that are insulting to someone whose only crime is disagreeing with you.

Tone it down.
No shit. You can't just run around calling people "Joe Lieberman". That goes way too fucking far...
 
Trump issued executive order blocking bipartisan gun safety law passed during Biden Administration. Specifically, the law had closed gun show loophole, which allowed purchases of unlimited firearms at gun shows without background checks. Under new law, gun shows were subject to same checks. Even Second Amendment supporters generally don't want people convicted of violent felonies to buy unlimited weapons. Except NRA. And apparently Trump.
$400 million gold plated ballroom for his safety. Rapists and murderers and armed robbers having guns for the rest of us.
Or, since Trump isn't very good at thinking, just wants to undo everything done by Biden.
 
Where are the personal insults? Identifying someone who is lying is a “personal insult”? Maybe you should be more worried about people who spam with bad-faith arguments? That’s what he’s doing about gun deaths that kill 2k kids annually.

Bad faith arguments aren't bannable lol. If it were, it'd be a LOT LESS quiet in the OT section.

Also, its killing kids, no matter if its per year or over 20 years. That should be the main focus.
 

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