OT Gunshots Fired Outside Houses of Parliament in London

[MarAzul]

The primary distinction here is that there are significant numbers of Islamic fundamentalists teaching that jihad against the infidels is commanded by the Quran. You don't find similar teaching by any mainstream Christian church. A 2013 Pew study found that most Muslims did not endorse violence as a means of defending Islam, but the results were dramatically different in various regions around the globe:

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2013/04/worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-full-report.pdf

When you have millions of believers supporting violence, unscrupulous leaders willing to exploit those believers, and an Internet to spread the hate and radicalize people around the globe, you have a situation that's totally different than the occasional "Christian" nutjob going off on some crazy shooting spree.

This ^ is the word.

 

[riverman]

You need to do some study River. Perhaps some first hand up close experience too.

No...you need to stop stereotyping all Muslims into fundamentalist Muslims who are at war......I know Muslim people...I guess Muhammed Ali was a boxer but he was a peaceful man. Credit where credit is due...you my friend tend to draw lines in the sand ....most serial killers are middle aged white men but I won't lump you into their subgenre to fit my narrative....if you think most modern Islamic culture is rooted in medieval practice...perhaps you should study up a bit. It's as if someone were to call the KKK an all inclusive representative of Christian majority belief.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

most serial killers are middle aged white men

TIL (Today I learned) that Riverman is a retired serial killer.

 

[MarAzul]

No...you need to stop stereotyping all Muslims into fundamentalist Muslims who are at war......I know Muslim people...I guess Muhammed Ali was a boxer but he was a peaceful man. Credit where credit is due...you my friend tend to draw lines in the sand ....most serial killers are middle aged white men but I won't lump you into their subgenre to fit my narrative....if you think most modern Islamic culture is rooted in medieval practice...perhaps you should study up a bit. It's as if someone were to call the KKK an all inclusive representative of Christian majority belief.

Well if you can't understand me then try reading eblazer. Then try this ex Navy fellow.
https://aifdemocracy.org/our-work/our-team/dr-jasser/

 

[riverman]

Well if you can't understand me then try reading eblazer. Then try this ex Navy fellow.
https://aifdemocracy.org/our-work/our-team/dr-jasser/

I read his article....sounds like a peaceful Muslim navy vet to me....notice he seperates Islam from RADICAL Islam? Sort of like I did.....

 

[MarAzul]

notice he seperates Islam from RADICAL Islam?

Read some more of his work, other too. Can't remember her name but a lady from Ethiopia I think, then another in Canada.
Jasser isn't separating Radical Islam from Islam! He is pointing out the real issues. While the Radicals are the soldiers of Jihad, and our immediate problem, they all come for the people of Islam (damn near all). While we are now at least gearing up to face up to that threat, the soldiers of Jihad will continue to come from the people of Islam, probably for as long as we have the will to kill them.
What we need to do is aid the people that would reform Islam, bring it into the modern era. Then perhaps we will not be force to kill, and then do some more.
If you do take the time to study the Koran, the Hadiths, you will find the religion does teach exclusiveness and the superiority of Islam over everything else. So the Jihad people have that to believe in. I doubt we change them, but perhaps their people, the ones they came from, can change what is taught, and perhaps that is new scripture. But they must write it.

 

[Chris Craig]

i agree. much like Christianity was used as an excuse for the crusades but if you read the bible in full you'll see god does not command anyone to commit violence now that the redeemer as redeemed. many Muslims interpret jihad as a personal growth. attack the negative aspects of your life and conquering them internally. you could relate it to a christian trying to be more "Christ like." the internal war on sin as paul describes in the book of romans. the problems arent with the religions, the problems are from lunatics miss representing the religions and creating a cult following of easily manipulated people. most churches in america for instance subscribe to a formula of emotionally charged song service, followed buy a public offering, using peer pressure to get donations, topped off with an ego stroking feel good message. none of the ritual is commanded in the actual bible. it's just a bunch of manipulative ass holes making money off peoples natural want to be spiritual. Unfortunately people are lazy and would rather follow a persons teachings than reading their holy book themselves.

Yeah that's the dangerous things about religions. Religious tests are left to be interpreted, there are mentally fucked people out there that are always going to interpret them in violent ways, though the majority of followers of any religion do not interpret them so. Therefore, it is often the religion that takes fault and is blamed, rather than those few wackos who choose to use it for bad.

 

[MarAzul]

religion that takes fault and is blamed, rather than those few wackos who choose to use it for bad.

That is way too shallow, listen up, do some work! You are smarter than this.

 

[riverman]

That is way too shallow

Some homework for the shallow end of your Muslim view...read modern muslim chapter...the site is Muslims against violence and terrorism...before you start thinking all Germans are Nazis...consider the modern Muslim culture that is not passing out poison koolaid in the name of God
http://www.freemuslims.org/

 

[MarAzul]

Some homework for the shallow end of your Muslim view...read modern muslim chapter...the site is Muslims against violence and terrorism...before you start thinking all Germans are Nazis...consider the modern Muslim culture that is not passing out poison koolaid in the name of God
http://www.freemuslims.org/

Trouble is River my man, 10 or 20 Percent of the 2 billion nice Muslims who differ and want a Caliphate and are willing to walk the terrible walk to get there, is a hell of a lot a trouble.
Have you ever heard a Muslim Pirate speak about the worth of his captive Kafir? They don't talk like the nice folks you know.

It surprises me how long this can continue, they kill people and you and many other tell us how nice they are and how crude I am. It reminds me of... well maybe after your next post.

 

[riverman]

they kill people and you and many other tell us how nice they are and how crude I am.

nonsense...I have no compassion for killers..I just know that they get press while good folk don't.....I think you stereotype the culture, that's all. It's not like all of them are out to kill you or all of them are willing to be kind and peaceful...they're humans just like us. I don't think you're crude Marz....I just think you are a bit polarizing when it comes to the subject and tend to identify with historical interpretations more than with current realities about Muslims..two Christian countries could be at war with each other...one your friend and one your enemy...we are fighting something similar to the Irish Republican Army and not all Irish folk were IRA card carrying members either.

 

[riverman]

Trouble is River my man, 10 or 20 Percent of the 2 billion nice Muslims who differ and want a Caliphate and are willing to walk the terrible walk to get there, is a hell of a lot a trouble.
Have you ever heard a Muslim Pirate speak about the worth of his captive Kafir? They don't talk like the nice folks you know.

It surprises me how long this can continue, they kill people and you and many other tell us how nice they are and how crude I am. It reminds me of... well maybe after your next post.

See Marz....I don't have any love for terrorists or suicide bombers or dictators, war lords, pirates, etc.....these aren't areas of disagreement for any of us....line in the sand...not necessary.

 

[MarAzul]

Good.

 

[Rastapopoulos]