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mook said:
Was just thinking back to the Houston series two years ago, and how effective we were with hacking Howard:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/howardw01/gamelog/2014/#pgl_basic_playoffs::none

The three games Stotts went to an extreme (17, 17, 11 FTA's) we won.

DeAndre is a far, far worse free throw shooter in the playoffs, hitting only 43%. Here's the actual game log from last year--that 34 FTA's really stands out.

How much do you think this will be a factor in the series? Personally, I'd like to see Stotts put him on the free throw line 20 times in the first game just to see what happens. It's the first game and there's no pressure on

Right now the Clips are trying to assimilate Griffin back into the offense, and the last thing I want them to do is find that mojo right out of the chute. Slow down the game, reduce the overall touches the Clippers offense has. Take away Paul lobs. Make guys eager to "get theirs" when the ball swings to them because so many shots are being siphoned away by DeAndre. Sew some chemistry seeds in that first game and see what happens.

Thoughts?
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Ive been mulling this over alot in the last 24 hours. At first I was against it, but the more I think about it the more I think I agree with you on most of your points justifying this game plan. I would say one thing. Id like to see if we cant just out hustle them, but if they start to take over... do not hesitate. If they go up by 5-7 and or have a swing of said points, hack him. Take him out. Make him their liability not their dominating rebounder. If they pull him out, Davis will have a field day on the boards.
 
kjironman1 said:
Stotts has said straight out that the Blazers will be using the Fouling strategy. No question about it.
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Did he? Link? Not that I dont beleive you, I do, I just missed it or something. Been sick again... dammit.
 
Maybe there should be an Over/Under on how soon they start hacking away at DJ.
 
I'd rather we do it after we get in foul trouble, no matter whether we are ahead or behind. In terms of breaking up Clipper chemistry, it may be even more effective if we are pulling ahead. "Jesus, DeAndre. We're down by 8 on our own damned court and he just blew 7 free throws. I haven't touched the rock in fucking forever. Paul's passed it to me finally and I have sort of a somewhat ok shot. I better take it." Rinse and repeat.

The Clips went through a ridiculous amount of drama and bullshit over the summer to re-sign Jordan. I would love for reporters to be asking their team after Game 1 how they feel about all the missed free throws, and whether they felt it contributed to the loss or at least integrating Griffin into a surprisingly hard-fought win (in the only competitive series in the West). "You three have been together for several years now. Yet here we are again. The Clips did pretty well with Blake out. Is it just that there aren't enough shots, especially with all the possessions Jordan wastes at the line?"

I don't worry about our own offensive momentum. CJ and Dame are our offense, and those guys have an ocean of confidence in themselves. They will hit or miss shots because it's what the defense gives them and just pure odds. Whether we are taking it out on free throws or not isn't a really big deal for their mindset. Think they give a fuck whether they missed or made their last shot when they take the next one? I don't.

As for it reducing fast breaks, we're 26th in the league in transition baskets. It's not a big loss for us. Portland wins when the starting guards create mismatches and spacing problems, mostly out of the motion half court offense.

We're not supposed to win this series, and definitely aren't supposed to win Game 1. This is our chance to roll the dice on a low risk, potentially high reward strategy.
 
TBpup said:
Ahh...shooting for the Daily Double. :cheers: I'll take the 2nd quarter right before halftime to ensure a 2-for-1 opportunity.
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That's my money bet.. only if its a close game or we are behind though. If we are ahead, I think he passes.
 
Clippers will probably use Cole Aldrich at the end of games if the Blazers go to hack- a-Jordan.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Clippers will probably use Cole Aldrich at the end of games if the Blazers go to hack- a-Jordan.
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That is what they want to happen. This creates less rim protection and no lob city for at least a couple minutes. The Clippers will have to react to the drive to help out and the dish becomes more effective. Lillard will drive and dish to CJ at the arc for 3.
 
Blazer4ever said:
It's weak, it's an officiating loop-hole that weak teams use when they don't believe they can win fairly. it's bad karma and every time we use it I hope the player makes his free-throws
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WTF are you talking about?? Hack a whoever has nothing to do with the officials. Nor is it a loophole. Rules are rules. You cannot foul away from the ball within the last 2 mins.

STOP ADVOCATING FOR THE PROTECTION OF BAD FREE THROWERS.

There is no reason to be bad at free throws. If you are you lack work ethic. There's no reason why everyone in the NBA shouldn't be at least a 70% free throw shooter. Shaq could have had MILLIONS of kids shooting free throws underhanded but he was too much of a egotistical ass that he didn't want to listen to Rick Barry.
 
oldmangrouch said:
And flopping is a form of offense. I hate that too.
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No it's not. Your point is not valid. 1st off you can flop on both offense and defense. 2nd it's illegal. Faking being fouled is a technical foul. It's unsportsmanlike conduct and worth thousands in fines. The SECOND they start T'ing players up for it is when it will stop.

Learn the game then post. :bgrin:
 
JoeClipplet said:
I believe, ~90% of the time, when teams deploy the Hack-A-DJ strategy, it hurts that team.

It takes away our rhythm sure... but it also takes away our opponents rhythm too, and now we have Cole Aldrich who can fill in EASILY and provide a lot of offense as well.
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Take your ass to the clipper forum.
 
e_blazer said:
Common fouls are an inherent part of the game of basketball. Intentional fouls away from the ball are treated no differently, except in the last two minutes of the game.

Flopping is a technical foul because it's not an inherent part of the game. A player touching the ball from the bench, goal tending a free throw, flagrant fouls, taunting, fighting, etc. are all things that the NBA has determined are not an inherent part of the game and, as a result, penalizes the offending team with penalties that make it disadvantageous to the offending team in that they suffer, at a minimum, a penalty free throw and a loss of possession.

The NBA can change the rules in the future to say that intentional fouls away from the ball are not an inherent part of the game and make it a technical foul in situations other than in the last two minutes. Until they do, teams are not subject to any other penalty than taking the chance that a poor free throw shooter will make his shots. Sure, it uglies up the game, but it's a reasonable strategy to take advantage of an opponent's weaknesses. I don't see it as egregious as Doc and the entire Clippers team whining on every foul and trying to influence the referees. By definition, it's not as egregious as the intentional flopping that they do and so often get away with.
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GREAT POST.:clap:
 
dviss1 said:
Permanent ban for this post? :dunno:
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Absolutely NOT. I agree completely with him EXCEPT for the "root for the Clippers" part. Something I could NEVER do. I'm Blazer loyal till I die.

But Hack-a-Jordan is NOT a winning strategy. It's LAZY and PETTY. LA is too good to get bogged down in lost points from ONE poor FT shooter. If you honestly think we can win a game playing hack-a-Jordan, then I've got an island to sell you in the Bermuda Triangle.
 
yuyuza1 said:
It's a fucking pointless strategy if we can't secure the rebound after a missed FT.
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It's a useless strategy PERIOD. If the ENTIRE TEAM sucked in FT shooting, it would be a good strategy. Expecting to win a game by sending the worst opponent on a team like the Clippers to the FT line is bat shit crazy.
 
I don't like watching it but I can't deny that it gives us a better chance of getting back into that type of game. If we had gotten hot on offense it easily could have made the game close. It gives us more possessions while limiting their scoring chances and taking less time off the clock.
 
Doc's strategy is too respond by intentionally fouling Davis. At some point it will be comical. But if we are behind late in the game and have nothing to lose.....why not
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Doc's strategy is too respond by intentionally fouling Davis. At some point it will be comical. But if we are behind late in the game and have nothing to lose.....why not
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Your 43% shooter vs my 55% shooter. I'm good with that.
 
Haven't read through this thread yet, only the OP. But I think Stotts' strategy last night sucked. Jordan may be a "worse" FT shooter than Howard, but he isn't as easily rattled as Howard - he's much more like Shaq, who will use the insult to get fired up and make his FTs to spite you. And that's exactly what he did when we used the strategy in the first half. It was also unconscionable of Stotts to do that with Ed in the game - before it even happened I knew Doc would foul Ed and Ed would miss his FTs.

Fouling Jordan in the 4th can be a fine strategy if nothing else is working, but doing it in the first half was dumb, and was the reason we were down 8 rather than 4 - a rather substantial difference.

Clippers Defense: "Yeah, we'll let you shoot it Aminu."
Blazers Defense: "Defense? Nah, we'll just have Jordan shoot some FTs and hope we get a rebound eventually."

One of these is a sound defensive strategy. It's kinda pathetic that we're making Doc look like a good coach.
 
BBert said:
No, a foul IS a rule.
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Thank you. It annoys the piss outta me when people talk about fouling (intentional or not) being against the rules, breaking the rules, or cheating. It's nothing of the sort. The rule is that if a foul occurs then A, B, or C - not that "you can't foul".
 
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