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[deception]

http://chronicle.augusta.com/stories/2010/01/19/nba_563760.shtml

A new professional basketball league boasting rosters made up exclusively of white Americans has its eyes set on Augusta, but the team isn't receiving a warm welcome.
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The All-American Basketball Alliance announced in a news release Sunday evening that it intends to start its inaugural season in June and hopes Augusta will be one of 12 cities with a team.

"Only players that are natural born United States citizens with both parents of Caucasian race are eligible to play in the league," the statement said.

Don "Moose" Lewis, the commissioner of the AABA, said the reasoning behind the league's roster restrictions is not racism.

"There's nothing hatred about what we're doing," he said. "I don't hate anyone of color. But people of white, American-born citizens are in the minority now. Here's a league for white players to play fundamental basketball, which they like."

Lewis said he wants to emphasize fundamental basketball instead of "street-ball" played by "people of color." He pointed out recent incidents in the NBA, including Gilbert Arenas' indefinite suspension after bringing guns into the Washington Wizards locker room, as examples of fans' dissatisfaction with the way current professional sports are run.

"Would you want to go to the game and worry about a player flipping you off or attacking you in the stands or grabbing their crotch?" he said. "That's the culture today, and in a free country we should have the right to move ourselves in a better direction."

The Atlanta-based league, which will operate as a single-entity owning all of its teams, is looking for local contacts to pay $10,000 to become a "licensee" in one of 12 cities throughout the Southeast. Lewis said he has already received threats from people opposed to the roster restrictions and several cities have told him to stay out of town. Lewis said he has yet to hear from any one in Augusta.

"We need a local person ingrained into the community to make this successful," he said.

Lewis said he expects to eventually find support in every town with a team.

"People will come out and support a product they can identify with. I'm the spoken minority right now, but if people will give us a chance, it'll work... The white game of basketball, which is essentially a fundamental game, works."

Lewis said he wasn't sure where the team will play.

 

[maxiep]

What's great about America is you still have the right to be ignorant. I love that they're displaying that facet of their personalities for all to see.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

One of these teams would make an excellent white elephant gift and costs only a little more than an WNBA franchise.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Just to play devil's advocate--how is this any different from the WNBA? Why is it OK to have a league based on gender but not one based on skin color?

 

[deception]

Just to play devil's advocate--how is this any different from the WNBA? Why is it OK to have a league based on gender but not one based on skin color?

are u comparing the basketball abilities of white men to that of women?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

are u comparing the basketball abilities of white men to that of women?

Yeah, I kinda am. Sure, there are a few white americans who are good enough to play in the NBA, but not many. I don't think it's too far off a comparison. I bet Diana Taurasi is better than some NBDLers, especially some of the white ones.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

If this were an all black rec league no one would say a thing.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

"There's nothing hatred about what we're doing," he said. "I don't hate anyone of color. But people of white, American-born citizens are in the minority now. Here's a league for white players to play fundamental basketball, which they like."

Lewis said he wants to emphasize fundamental basketball instead of "street-ball" played by "people of color." He pointed out recent incidents in the NBA, including Gilbert Arenas' indefinite suspension after bringing guns into the Washington Wizards locker room, as examples of fans' dissatisfaction with the way current professional sports are run.

"Would you want to go to the game and worry about a player flipping you off or attacking you in the stands or grabbing their crotch?" he said. "That's the culture today, and in a free country we should have the right to move ourselves in a better direction."

So if you are black, you don't like playing fundamental basketball and if you are white you don't like to play street ball.

And if you create a white league, you don't have to worry about players carrying guns, or players flipping you off or players attacking you in the stands because white players don't do that, black players do. They are just born that way I guess . . . black people ar born with the genetics that will make them carry guns, flip fans off and only know how to play street ball.

Is this guy for real?

 

[BrianFromWA]

Well, duh...it's because in slavery times the masters bred the smart white girls with the fundamentalist white boys, and created a monster race of non-athletic, "fundamental" players.

 

[deception]

If this were an all black rec league no one would say a thing.

planning on getting season seats to this league? maybe it will be a teabagger event.

 

[rocketeer]

are u comparing the basketball abilities of white men to that of women?

of course you're not going to actually answer his question.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

of course you're not going to actually answer his question.

The question being why an all white league designed to prevent street ball and players from carrying guns and flipping off fans is different than the WNBA?

 

[The Sebastian Express]

planning on getting season seats to this league? maybe it will be a teabagger event.

You know it's true, and that is why you respond that way. There are black actor of the year awards, gay actor of the year awards, gay days at theme parks where gay people get discounts for being gay, etc. All kind of little obscure things for people based on race and sexuality that no one says a thing about for fear of being politically correct.


How do you think people would respond if there was a straight day at theme parks where straight people got discounts based on their heterosexuality? What if there were white actor of the year awards where blacks, latinos, asians, etc couldn't get nominated? What if there was a straight pride parade or a straight pride march? Everyone would be up in fucking arms.

I never said the league was right in what they're doing, nor did I implied that I agree with their actions. I am just very tired of big shit being made about white (straight males) doing things while shit like what I mentioned above goes on.

You cannot achieve equality if you actively campaign to get special treatment over the people you strive to be seen with as equal.

 

[santeesioux]

 

[rocketeer]

The question being why an all white league designed to prevent street ball and players from carrying guns and flipping off fans is different than the WNBA?

no the question would be why is a league that discriminates on gender ok but one that discriminates on race not ok.

i don't give a shit about this league and i highly doubt anyone does other than people wanting to find something to get pissed off about. it will be a huge failure and some racist guys will have wasted their money. who cares?

 

[The_Lillard_King]

no the question would be why is a league that discriminates on gender ok but one that discriminates on race not ok.

Well i guess the answer is the WNBA discriminates on gender because they want to create a lague to give women the opportunity to play basketball.

The other league is discriminating on race because they feel black players play street ball and are a danger to fans.

Personally, I see why one is OK and one is not.

 

[rocketeer]

Well i guess the answer is the WNBA discriminates on gender because they want to create a lague to give women the opportunity to play basketball.

The other league is discriminating on race because they feel black players play street ball and are a danger to fans.

Personally, I see why one is OK and one is not.

so if they said that they just wanted to give white players the opportunity to play basketball it would be ok?

 

[deception]

You know it's true, and that is why you respond that way. There are black actor of the year awards, gay actor of the year awards, gay days at theme parks where gay people get discounts for being gay, etc. All kind of little obscure things for people based on race and sexuality that no one says a thing about for fear of being politically correct.


How do you think people would respond if there was a straight day at theme parks where straight people got discounts based on their heterosexuality? What if there were white actor of the year awards where blacks, latinos, asians, etc couldn't get nominated? What if there was a straight pride parade or a straight pride march? Everyone would be up in fucking arms.

I never said the league was right in what they're doing, nor did I implied that I agree with their actions. I am just very tired of big shit being made about white (straight males) doing things while shit like what I mentioned above goes on.

You cannot achieve equality if you actively campaign to get special treatment over the people you strive to be seen with as equal.

u're extrapolating things that u shouldnt. the reason why i enjoy sports is because its meritocracy. we want to know who's better- lebron or kobe? the cavs or lakers? portland or dallas? bosh or amare? these questions intrigue us and we dont care who these players are.

this racist adventure undermines the basic tenet of sport- it runs from merit and embraces something imagined (i.e. the fundamental, pure white basketball player) that doesnt exist.

 

[Blazed Mania 52]

Yeah, I kinda am. Sure, there are a few white americans who are good enough to play in the NBA, but not many. I don't think it's too far off a comparison. I bet Diana Taurasi is better than some NBDLers, especially some of the white ones.

Well Steve Blake is a wonder of nature.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

this racist adventure undermines the basic tenet of sport- it runs from merit and embraces something imagined (i.e. the fundamental, pure white basketball player) that doesnt exist.

You're focusing on the motivation ("They're racist!") and the faulty logic ("White players embrace fundamentals!") which are both egregious, and those aspects are beyond dispute.

What is of greater interest to me is the notion that it is OK to acknowledge that men are genetically predisposed to be generally superior at basketball, thereby justifying a lower-tier league for women, but it is not OK to acknowledge that West-African-Americans are genetically predisposed to be generally superior at basketball, thereby justifying a lower-tier league for non-blacks. Why are gender-based physical differences accepted, but race-based physical differences ignored or disputed?

 

[deception]

You're focusing on the motivation ("They're racist!") and the faulty logic ("White players embrace fundamentals!") which are both egregious, and those aspects are beyond dispute.

What is of greater interest to me is the notion that it is OK to acknowledge that men are genetically predisposed to be generally superior at basketball, thereby justifying a lower-tier league for women, but it is not OK to acknowledge that West-African-Americans are genetically predisposed to be generally superior at basketball, thereby justifying a lower-tier league for non-blacks. Why are gender-based physical differences accepted, but race-based physical differences ignored or disputed?

maybe if it was true but its not- modern genetics has shattered the myth of race. human beings are genetically indistinguishable by race, in fact, modern genetics has chimed in and deemed race a "social construct"

http://www.pbs.org/race/000_About/002_04-godeeper.htm

There is not one gene, trait, or characteristic that distinguishes all members of one race from all members of another. We can map any number of traits and none would match our idea of race. This is because modern humans haven't been around long enough to evolve into different subspecies and we've always moved, mated, and mixed our genes. Beneath the skin, we are one of the most genetically similar of all species.

then why are there more black ball players than white american ones? it's cultural- african americans, particularly poor ones are indoctrinated to believe that their only vehicle to move up the socio-economic ladder is sports and thats why u see kids in the ghetto skip classes and play basketball for 8 hours a day. and shockingly teachers accept this and just pass the kid along. conversely, white american players are discouraged from pursuing basketball at the higher levels seriously because of the stereotypes u mentioned earlier. and if u disagree on that point, ponder this- why are the best white players (e.g. dirk, steve nash, pau, ginobli) all non-american and originate from non basketball nations?

 

[LittleAlex]

You know it's true, and that is why you respond that way. There are black actor of the year awards, gay actor of the year awards, gay days at theme parks where gay people get discounts for being gay, etc. All kind of little obscure things for people based on race and sexuality that no one says a thing about for fear of being politically correct.


How do you think people would respond if there was a straight day at theme parks where straight people got discounts based on their heterosexuality? What if there were white actor of the year awards where blacks, latinos, asians, etc couldn't get nominated? What if there was a straight pride parade or a straight pride march? Everyone would be up in fucking arms.

I never said the league was right in what they're doing, nor did I implied that I agree with their actions. I am just very tired of big shit being made about white (straight males) doing things while shit like what I mentioned above goes on.

You cannot achieve equality if you actively campaign to get special treatment over the people you strive to be seen with as equal.

The stright pride parade exists. We call it a parade.
The white actor of the year exists. It's called an oscar (Danzel was the first non white to ever win the award so he is the exception).

The Heterosexual/White is implied in these things. If it makes you feel better just insert the word white in front of such things.

The reason those special things exist is because without them those folks wouldn't get fuck all.

I am guessing from your response you are a white heterosexual male. As such you have to know that you wake up every single day with a monsterous advantage over everyone else. If you don't believe that then you are completely deluded.


If a Black Rec league started that didn't admit whites because it was a community building exercise that would be fine. If instead they didn't want whites involved because we can't dance and are too slow that would be wrong.

And that is exactly what this All White Basketball league is about. Saying that White players are fundamentally sound and Black players aren't is stupid and wrong. Using the street-ball as a mask for pistol packing gangest is beyond wrong.

I have no clue why the hell a Gay Pride Parade would make that any different.

Then again, I'm not a biggot who feels threatened by people different then me.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

so if they said that they just wanted to give white players the opportunity to play basketball it would be ok?

I don't man . . . I guess we can make up all kinds of hypotheticals to see how close to the line we can get that compares to the WNBA.


But why? That isn't the case in this sitaution. In this situation, I feel confident saying inthis is nothing like the WNBA. Wouldn't you agree?

 

[TradeNurkicNow]

You know it's true, and that is why you respond that way. There are black actor of the year awards, gay actor of the year awards, gay days at theme parks where gay people get discounts for being gay, etc. All kind of little obscure things for people based on race and sexuality that no one says a thing about for fear of being politically correct.

So what? This affects you how? Are you butthurt that you're not eligible for the black-gay-midget wrestler of the century awards? Get over it. There are different communities in America.

How do you think people would respond if there was a straight day at theme parks where straight people got discounts based on their heterosexuality? What if there were white actor of the year awards where blacks, latinos, asians, etc couldn't get nominated? What if there was a straight pride parade or a straight pride march? Everyone would be up in fucking arms.

Well yeah. Do you realize the logistics of that? First of all, straight, white people are everywhere. What happened if all of them got a discount at one event? It would be pande-fucking-monium!

I never said the league was right in what they're doing, nor did I implied that I agree with their actions. I am just very tired of big shit being made about white (straight males) doing things while shit like what I mentioned above goes on.

Yeah, I'm also tired of big shit being made about white (straight males) doing things! I'm also perturbed about this other thing.

You cannot achieve equality if you actively campaign to get special treatment over the people you strive to be seen with as equal.

Can't disagree with that. But on the other hand, you can't get all pissy when people from a different culture talk about their own culture amongst themselves and don't let you into the tree house.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

The stright pride parade exists. We call it a parade.

No, that's called a parade celebrating a specific event. A strawberry festival parade, the Macy Thanksgiving Parade, Veteran's Day Parade, etc they all celebrate certain events. Unless you're suggesting that only white people celebrate Thanksgiving and only white people are Veterans.

The white actor of the year exists. It's called an oscar (Danzel was the first non white to ever win the award so he is the exception).

But it's still not white, because non-whites win the Oscar, Emmys, Grammys, Golden Globes, SAG, etc. They're not exclusive to just whites - they don't call it "White Actor of the year Oscar goes to.."

The Heterosexual/White is implied in these things. If it makes you feel better just insert the word white in front of such things.

Perhaps they were implied for a very long time, but fortunately for all of us we're no longer in that era. You cannot expect change while still clinging to the past for your arguments.

The reason those special things exist is because without them those folks wouldn't get fuck all.

The reason those special things exist is because people want to feel equal while getting not treating others equal.

I am guessing from your response you are a white heterosexual male. As such you have to know that you wake up every single day with a monsterous advantage over everyone else. If you don't believe that then you are completely deluded.

I'm a 24 year old white girl who is registered as a democrat, has a personality disorder that makes me pretty much asexual 98% of the time and the other 2% of the time I lean like crandc leans. I just don't go around announcing it a lot, because this is generally a forum about sports. Perhaps you shouldn't come to such assumptions because of my views - a big problem in the political system.

If a Black Rec league started that didn't admit whites because it was a community building exercise that would be fine. If instead they didn't want whites involved because we can't dance and are too slow that would be wrong.

Both of those scenarios are wrong - do white people not live in black communities? Do black people not live in white communities? Are we still in the 40s and 50s where segregation needs justified?

And that is exactly what this All White Basketball league is about. Saying that White players are fundamentally sound and Black players aren't is stupid and wrong. Using the street-ball as a mask for pistol packing gangest is beyond wrong.

I agree that their league is wrong, and have never once said their league is anything but bad and an unfortunate display that racism still exists. My point was racism exists on all sides, but is generally only brought up and made into a big deal when someone who is (a) white (straight male) does something stupid and racist.

I have no clue why the hell a Gay Pride Parade would make that any different.

Because gay people want to be treated equally but they would be up in arms if straight pride parade was organized or if people got discounts in theme parks for being heterosexual.

Then again, I'm not a biggot who feels threatened by people different then me.

At least we have something in common.

 

[drexlersdad]

I am guessing from your response you are a white heterosexual male.