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crandc said:
So show up, Denny! No one is stopping you. We don't do DNA testing for the gay gene at the doors of BART trains.

Sadly, Spud, accusing someone of being gay is still an insult among straight dudes - go to any sporting event and you'll hear it in the crowd.
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I'm perfectly comfortable in my own skin. I have nothing to fear from people who might be a little different than myself. Be they gay or Hispanic or Muslims.
 
crandc said:
Sadly, Spud, accusing someone of being gay is still an insult among straight dudes - go to any sporting event and you'll hear it in the crowd.
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Can't deny that it still happens, but I'm positive it is much less prevalent. I know that I practically never hear it from guys around my age (24) anymore.
 
I wonder what would happen if I were to organize a straight white male pride parade? You know, to celebrate all the inherent advantages in life I have as a result of various aspects of my ontology over which I have no control. Of course, it wouldn't at all be suggesting any kind of superiority over any other group; just enjoying the great fortune that is straight white maleness. I certainly wouldn't exclude anyone who's non-white, non-straight or non-male from joining in; all would be encouraged to come and celebrate with us.

Who's in?
 
crandc said:
So show up, Denny! No one is stopping you. We don't do DNA testing for the gay gene at the doors of BART trains.

Sadly, Spud, accusing someone of being gay is still an insult among straight dudes - go to any sporting event and you'll hear it in the crowd.
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Back in the 80s I told a female co-worker that I was going to go see a movie by myself the next Saturday afternoon. She was a minister's daughter and got married right out of high school so she was really naïve, very sweet but totally sheltered. She could not believe I was going to be seen in a movie theater by myself because someone might think I was gay.

I started laughing because the connection was so random... movie theater alone means gay? What?!? I said, "Considering I'm going to be there by myself, at least they find me interesting or attractive enough to assume I'm getting lucky".
 
Spud147 said:
Back in the 80s I told a female co-worker that I was going to go see a movie by myself the next Saturday afternoon. She was a minister's daughter and got married right out of high school so she was really naïve, very sweet but totally sheltered. She could not believe I was going to be seen in a movie theater by myself because someone might think I was gay.

I started laughing because the connection was so random... movie theater alone means gay? What?!? I said, "Considering I'm going to be there by myself, at least they find me interesting or attractive enough to assume I'm getting lucky".
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Never in my life have I heard "gay" used as an insult at a sporting event.

Maybe it's just because you live in such a shithole, anti-American town that you experience hostility and bigotry. America is the world leader in freedom and choice so an illegal-alien refuge city is bound to be less so. You should crawl out of your bubble and meet some Real Americans for a change.
 
I was unaware that Oakland and Sacramento are unreal Americans. But I hear "fag" and "pussy" shouted out at sporting events a lot. And I am absolutely not the only one nor is that unique to Oakland and Sacramento. However, I am very happy to hear that real Americans don't use antigay slurs. Sadly, that must mean there are a hell of a lot of unreal Americans around.

Spud, going to a movie alone makes you gay? Or means you are gay? That is a new one on me!
 
Platypus, there was such an event yesterday as well. A white supremacist rally in Sacramento. Is that a straight white male parade?

You can organize one if you want. You need a permit, speakers, stage, sound system, sanitary facilities, publicity. Or maybe, just go to the Republican convention!
 
MARIS61 said:
Never in my life have I heard "gay" used as an insult at a sporting event.

Maybe it's just because you live in such a shithole, anti-American town that you experience hostility and bigotry. America is the world leader in freedom and choice so an illegal-alien refuge city is bound to be less so. You should crawl out of your bubble and meet some Real Americans for a change.
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Well, that was an unexpected response to my story. o_O
 
crandc said:
Spud, going to a movie alone makes you gay? Or means you are gay? That is a new one on me!
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I know, right?!? I was even living in Seattle at the time! It was one of those awkward moments where I couldn't stop giggling. It never would've occurred to me that strangers in a movie theater would even notice me much less make up a whole personal life for me and then judge me for it.

She was a big ball of anxieties... she had really been raised to get in line and stay in line like good girls should.
 
crandc said:
Platypus, there was such an event yesterday as well. A white supremacist rally in Sacramento. Is that a straight white male parade?

You can organize one if you want. You need a permit, speakers, stage, sound system, sanitary facilities, publicity. Or maybe, just go to the Republican convention!
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Supremacy isn't really my cup of tea, and I'd want to keep it apolitical.. Just a run of the mill, "hey, look how good we have it!" celebration. Maybe call it the "Privilege Parade". Sounds like a good time.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
I wonder what would happen if I were to organize a straight white male pride parade? You know, to celebrate all the inherent advantages in life I have as a result of various aspects of my ontology over which I have no control. Of course, it wouldn't at all be suggesting any kind of superiority over any other group; just enjoying the great fortune that is straight white maleness. I certainly wouldn't exclude anyone who's non-white, non-straight or non-male from joining in; all would be encouraged to come and celebrate with us.

Who's in?
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How about we just have a great big 4th of July barbecue, invite everybody in the community to come, have a good old time and just be proud of the fact that we're free to be who we want to be? That would be nice.
 
e_blazer said:
How about we just have a great big 4th of July barbecue, invite everybody in the community to come, have a good old time and just be proud of the fact that we're free to be who we want to be? That would be nice.
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Sounds great; I'm in. Are your barbecue and my parade mutually exclusive?
 
crandc said:
If you can't defend your position that Pride is divisive
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>> What are you talking about? I never said such a thing.

crandc said:
You can't unmarry us, my gentleman.
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>>>Of course I can't, nor can I find marriage in the Constitution, only in the Bible, the Koran, Paper written by monks, and the US tax code. The tax code is all much newer,
less than a hundred years and way after the 14th amendment. So what law is it you were denied equal justice? When did the justice become unequal?
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Sounds great; I'm in. Are your barbecue and my parade mutually exclusive?
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Heck no. I'd just make it one big multi-gender, white, black, straight, rainbow, multi-ethnic, multi-faith (or lack thereof), lollapalooza of a parade followed by one kick-ass barbecue and street dance.
 
e_blazer said:
How about we just have a great big 4th of July barbecue, invite everybody in the community to come, have a good old time and just be proud of the fact that we're free to be who we want to be? That would be nice.
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We don't barbecue at Pride but otherwise it's pretty close to what you describe.
 
I don't believe in "real Americans" (white, Christian, heterosexual, small town? That was more or less Sarah Palin's definition) and "unreal Americans". I'm more in line with e_blazer.

Hey, e_blazer, let's do that barbecue! I'm out of town July 4 (visiting my father, 95 years old, still kicking) but later? I've already got plans for Mediterranean themed barbecue party, leg of lamb marinated in yogurt and spices, then grilled. You can be our token straight guy!
 
crandc said:
I don't believe in "real Americans" (white, Christian, heterosexual, small town? That was more or less Sarah Palin's definition) and "unreal Americans". I'm more in line with e_blazer.

Hey, e_blazer, let's do that barbecue! I'm out of town July 4 (visiting my father, 95 years old, still kicking) but later? I've already got plans for Mediterranean themed barbecue party, leg of lamb marinated in yogurt and spices, then grilled. You can be our token straight guy!
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Hmmm...if you're doing the barbecue it would almost be worth the ten hour drive. You doing one of your chocolate desserts?
 
Haven't picked dessert yet, it's a Mediterranean theme. I'll come up with something ridiculously decadent.
 
e_blazer said:
You know, there's being funny and then there's being a tool.
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Funny--all I read into Marazul's reply was acknowledgement of crandc's reputation of being the infamous "cake lady" that Mike & Mike used to talk about, for which reason decadent desserts would absolutely be in her wheelhouse. How did you interpret what he said?
 
Actually it depends on what is ripe in garden. If peaches are ripe, use a branch of rosemary to brush with olive oil, grill, make peach shortcake with homemade ice cream (maybe almond, goes with peaches). Acceptable? Grill whatever other vegetables available, hummus, garden salad, stuffed grape leaves (I have tons of grape vines!), Persian rice, pita, maybe try grilling instead of baking, wine! of course wine!
 
I said Pride was crime free and that is true of our community. Unfortunately there are brave heroic heterosexual who prove their superiority by coming over to attack the queers.

Two incidents known.

In one, a couple had arrived around 11 AM on Pride Sunday and were joining the Parade when a man sucker punched one of the women from behind and threatened to kill them both because Jesus. (the reference to Jesus was his) The heroic brave heterosexual tried to quickly escape but no one moves quickly on Pride Sunday; he was intercepted by the crowd and handed over to police. He is facing multiple charges. Not sure what his defense will be; hard to claim self defense when he assaulted a stranger from behind, hard to claim gay panic when he traveled to SF for Pride Sunday. Maybe justification because, you know, god's law and all?

That evening, a man leaving a club just after midnight was verbally abused by a group of 3-4 brave heroic heterosexual men in a car. When he tried to walk away they fired at him, wounding him in the hand. He is expected to recover. The brave heterosexual heroes, having shown their superiority (three or four against one, armed against unarmed, car against pedestrian, very courageous!) sped off and the injured man was unable to give much description. So they can whoop it up with their brave heroic heterosexual pals about how they taught that queer a lesson. What heroes.

Ask me again why we need Pride?
 
crandc said:
The heroic brave heterosexual
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crandc said:
Ask me again why we need Pride?
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Naw! I won't ask you why you need pride. I will ask you why you write so strangely? The heroic brave heterosexual?
That my lady, is a weird description of person that is probably mentally ill. A sandwich short of a picnic might work too.
 
MarAzul said:
Naw! I won't ask you why you need pride. I will ask you why you write so strangely? The heroic brave heterosexual?
That my lady, is a weird description of person that is probably mentally ill. A sandwich short of a picnic might work too.
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Wow, you've taken a huge step in a new direction of thought, for years it was said that homosexuality is a mental disease, now you're saying that homophobia is the disease. Not sure how right you are but it is a remarkable change.
 
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