Harkless is back

[PtldPlatypus]

I havent run the heater in two weeks and my pool is at 77

An unrepaired leak in your basement does not qualify as a pool.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I'm part of the 3.7%!

 

[riverman]

The pool is 95.

so it's still got a pulse

 

[riverman]

My favorite play by Jerome is when he would be faced up against a guy holding the ball and he would just reach out, one hand on top of the ball and one under, and just rip it away. Wonder if Moe has strong enough hands for that?

Vonleh does

 

[riverman]

An unrepaired leak in your basement does not qualify as a pool.

puddle is harder to spell

 

[Orion Bailey]

An unrepaired leak in your basement does not qualify as a pool.

Even if its more than four inches deep? And I cleaned the sewage out??? MAn.. Hard core around here..


@HailBlazers
You heading over to help us paint and swim?

 

[riverman]

You heading over to help us paint and swim

Water colors are not my forte

 

[Orion Bailey]

Water colors are not my forte

even if its swirly tiedyes?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Which jokers voted no? Out yourselves.

I did without even reading the thread. The poll didn't even specify from which perspective it is good.

Moe was traded to the Blazers for an 89 Acura or something and now he's getting paid. I think it is a good deal for him.

For Portland, probably not a good deal. Is it horrific? No.

For the fans? None of these deals are good. Tickets are gonna cost 3000 dollars each.

 

[Sinobas]

It's weird how things have played out. Last year, this team was appealing because they were a group of no-names, with the lowest paid roster in the league, playing .500 ball through hard work. Next year, we're going to be a luxury tax team, and probably play .500 ball. Crabbe, Leonard, Harkless getting a combined 37 million? That's still 26 mil under the prior cap. They could be hard to trade if they don't really step it up.

 

[Pinwheel1]

It's weird how things have played out. Last year, this team was appealing because they were a group of no-names, with the lowest paid roster in the league, playing .500 ball through hard work. Next year, we're going to be a luxury tax team, and probably play .500 ball. Crabbe, Leonard, Harkless getting a combined 37 million? That's still 26 mil under the prior cap. They could be hard to trade if they don't really step it up.

I also find it interesting that our attitudes toward players can change so dramatically based on their contracts. This topic always reminds me of the Greg Ostertag situation for the Jazz. One year he was a fan favorite on the local radio shows, the next year they wanted him run out of town, even though his play was exactly the same. The one difference... his larger paycheck.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I also find it interesting that our attitudes toward players can change so dramatically based on their contracts. This topic always reminds me of the Greg Ostertag situation for the Jazz. One year he was a fan favorite on the local radio shows, the next year they wanted him run out of town, even though his play was exactly the same. The one difference... his larger paycheck.

With that said, a bigger contract always comes with bigger expectations. Not just in sports. MY boss will come in my office once in a while and say hey.. Ive done this for ya. Here is a raise. Here is a bonus. Now lets step it up.

Would you expect the same sloppy big mac if you knew every employee there had a 6 figure salary? I sure as hell would expect more, regardless of whether they raised the price of the big mac or not.

 

[Shaboid]

I voted no also, right off the bat. Only because I was upset it took this long. We needed to pay him because the guy can play D. 3 and D? Who cares. He is a smart defender. If there is a surprise 6th man on our team, I would argue that it is Maurice Harkless.

Plus, he went to St. John's. He is a smart guy (see picture).

If only the Presidential Election was this easy.

 

[Denny Crane]

My expectation is that NO watches the guys compete for PT and those who don't earn it will end up traded.

 

[Pinwheel1]

With that said, a bigger contract always comes with bigger expectations. Not just in sports. MY boss will come in my office once in a while and say hey.. Ive done this for ya. Here is a raise. Here is a bonus. Now lets step it up.

Would you expect the same sloppy big mac if you knew every employee there had a 6 figure salary? I sure as hell would expect more, regardless of whether they raised the price of the big mac or not.

No I get that. You need to work hard to earn it. You can't just coast until your contract year. But at the same time there is no reason to hate on a player just because management over paid, or because the TV contracts increased everyone's pay check. It is not the player's fault. As long as he is working his ass off........

 

[Natebishop3]

If you voted no.... you ruined 82-0.

I hate you.

 

[Strenuus]

I voted no also, right off the bat. Only because I was upset it took this long. We needed to pay him because the guy can play D. 3 and D? Who cares. He is a smart defender. If there is a surprise 6th man on our team, I would argue that it is Maurice Harkless.

Plus, he went to St. John's. He is a smart guy (see picture).

If only the Presidential Election was this easy.

So, really, it's a yes. You meant to vote yes if this was your reasoning. Because we signed him, so who cares.

 

[Nate]

It's weird how things have played out. Last year, this team was appealing because they were a group of no-names, with the lowest paid roster in the league, playing .500 ball through hard work. Next year, we're going to be a luxury tax team, and probably play .500 ball. Crabbe, Leonard, Harkless getting a combined 37 million? That's still 26 mil under the prior cap. They could be hard to trade if they don't really step it up.

Good thing the prior cap doesn't apply anymore?

 

[Shaboid]

So, really, it's a yes. You meant to vote yes if this was your reasoning. Because we signed him, so who cares.

Yeah, I changed to yes. And then called the ticket office to buy a half season package.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Yeah, I changed to yes. And then called the ticket office to buy a half season package.

Lmao. I did that at the end of last season. Except you should get the full season. Comes with a bunch more perks.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Good thing the prior cap doesn't apply anymore?

I'm assuming that the point was that $37M for those guys (actually only 35.5M [17.5 Crabbe, 9 MyLe, 9 Moe]) seems like too much even under the new cap, and he was providing the comparable cost of 26M in the old cap (37% of total cap) to illustrate his point. However, I would argue that Crabbe's inclusion skews the point. Leonard/Harkless each basically make $9M this year, which is equivalent to 6.7M under the old cap, or roughly what we signed Ed Davis and Al-Farouq Aminu for last summer. Those are standard role-player-level contracts.

Crabbe's $17.5M this year is the one contract that feels out of whack, but considering his expected role on the team--30+mpg, second offensive option the majority of the time that he's on the floor--it's actually not much of a stretch.

 

[Nate]

I'm assuming that the point was that $37M for those guys (actually only 35.5M [17.5 Crabbe, 9 MyLe, 9 Moe]) seems like too much even under the new cap, and he was providing the comparable cost of 26M in the old cap (37% of total cap) to illustrate his point. However, I would argue that Crabbe's inclusion skews the point. Leonard/Harkless each basically make $9M this year, which is equivalent to 6.7M under the old cap, or roughly what we signed Ed Davis and Al-Farouq Aminu for last summer. Those are standard role-player-level contracts.

Crabbe's $17.5M this year is the one contract that feels out of whack, but considering his expected role on the team--30+mpg, second offensive option the majority of the time that he's on the floor--it's actually not much of a stretch.

Yeah, I totally misunderstood what he was trying to say. Thanks!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yeah, I totally misunderstood what he was trying to say. Thanks!

Holy cow! Is that permissible to admit on this board?

 

[JDC]

The Lillard-McCollum-Harkless-Aminu-Plumlee lineup was really good last year. I'd run that back again and see if last years numbers were for real (+14.4 per 100 poss). Plus it'll be easier for Terry to stagger Dame / CJ / Turner to keep 2 ball handlers on the floor at all times.

 

[riverman]

The Lillard-McCollum-Harkless-Aminu-Plumlee lineup was really good last year. I'd run that back again and see if last years numbers were for real (+14.4 per 100 poss). Plus it'll be easier for Terry to stagger Dame / CJ / Turner to keep 2 ball handlers on the floor at all times.

I'm pretty sure Stotts will start the seaon with guys who know the system and let the new guys work into it like he did with Henderson last season and Harkless..20 games in we should start to see rotation patterns

 

[riverman]

I'm assuming that the point was that $37M for those guys (actually only 35.5M [17.5 Crabbe, 9 MyLe, 9 Moe]) seems like too much even under the new cap, and he was providing the comparable cost of 26M in the old cap (37% of total cap) to illustrate his point. However, I would argue that Crabbe's inclusion skews the point. Leonard/Harkless each basically make $9M this year, which is equivalent to 6.7M under the old cap, or roughly what we signed Ed Davis and Al-Farouq Aminu for last summer. Those are standard role-player-level contracts.

Crabbe's $17.5M this year is the one contract that feels out of whack, but considering his expected role on the team--30+mpg, second offensive option the majority of the time that he's on the floor--it's actually not much of a stretch.

Crabbe got Wes money....we got a better deal than Cuban did but Crabbe has to take it to another level and earn it now

 

[Eastoff]

I'm pretty sure Stotts will start the seaon with guys who know the system and let the new guys work into it like he did with Henderson last season and Harkless..20 games in we should start to see rotation patterns

Nah, stotts will start anyone right away that wins the spot.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm pretty sure Stotts will start the seaon with guys who know the system and let the new guys work into it like he did with Henderson last season and Harkless..20 games in we should start to see rotation patterns

Didn't Hendo have hip surgery and wasn't ready at the start of the season? I though he would be the starter otherwise.

 

[JDC]

Didn't Hendo have hip surgery and wasn't ready at the start of the season? I though he would be the starter otherwise.

Eh, I'm not so sure about that. Last year was seen as a development year early on so I don't think it would've made sense to through him out there ahead of Aminu. Who really knows though (not that it matters now).

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...ers_gerald_henderson_undergoes_hip_surge.html
http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/i...ers_gerald_henderson_remains_sidelined_b.html