HARRINGTON to NY

[Minstrel]

I'm just glad that i'm not a GS fan, every move they make is questionable.

I don't think trading Al Harrington for Jamal Crawford is particularly questionable. Crawford is consistently as good as Harrington is at his best. I think Crawford will fit very nicely into Nelson's offense.

 

[Minstrel]

I wonder how that would work. Dirk and Zach. I think they could do OK together.

Whatever positional alignment they use will be awful defensively. Randolph can only play power forward, so it requires Nowitzki defending either centers or small forwards. Nowitzki is anyway not a good defender, and out of position, he's going to be a nightmare for Dallas.

 

[BatumKaboom]

Whatever positional alignment they use will be awful defensively. Randolph can only play power forward, so it requires Nowitzki defending either centers or small forwards. Nowitzki is anyway not a good defender, and out of position, he's going to be a nightmare for Dallas.

Good point.

 

[LittleAlex]

I don't think trading Al Harrington for Jamal Crawford is particularly questionable. Crawford is consistently as good as Harrington is at his best. I think Crawford will fit very nicely into Nelson's offense.

So you trade a 6'10" chucker with no handle for a 6'6" chucker who can pass. I guess that is an upgrade. The Warriors may be the first team in modern NBA history to have a line up of all players between 6'6" and 6'10".

I don't think this trade impacts the west one way or the other. I don't like either player. Looks like a "my crap for your crap" kind of deal.

 

[Blazed]

It looks like a third team would have to be involved for DAL to get Zach. NY is only interested in contracts that end by 2010.

The third team is probably the Charlotte Bobkittens

 

[jwhoops11]

Crawford to Golden St.?

Just what that team needed to get over the playoff hump....

...An outside shooter

(before I get blasted that was sarcasm)


Really, does Nelly think that he can go Loyola Marymount and score 150 pts a night?

How does Jamal Crawford get his 25 shots a night?

I've got, perhaps the Warriors are gearing up to win a title in the 6'5 and under league...

 

[hasoos]

I honestly don't see GSW beating us into the playoffs.

No doubt. In fact, I would go so far as to say that this improves the Blazers chances, because Jamal Crawford sucks. He shoots a low percentage, he is a volume shooter, and plays out of control a large portion of the time. So if Golden State wants him, more power to them.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

The third team is probably the Charlotte Bobkittens

In that case Randolph would head to the Bobcats, Gerald Wallace to the Mavs, and then expiring contracts to New York.

I doubt that. Portland could offer more to Charlotte. I've got to think that Gerald Wallace would be enticing enough for Pritchard to move on.

 

[Blazed]

I stand corrected Z-Blow to LAC for T.Thomas and Mobes
http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_a.../walsh_waiting_on_confirmation_from_clippers/

 

[Minstrel]

So you trade a 6'10" chucker with no handle for a 6'6" chucker who can pass. I guess that is an upgrade. The Warriors may be the first team in modern NBA history to have a line up of all players between 6'6" and 6'10".

Size for the sake of size isn't terribly valuable. It's talented size that helps. Golden State's only good big man is Andris Biedrins. Crawford is simply a better player...produces more and plays better defense.

 

[jwhoops11]

So you trade a 6'10" chucker with no handle for a 6'6" chucker who can pass. I guess that is an upgrade. The Warriors may be the first team in modern NBA history to have a line up of all players between 6'6" and 6'10".

I don't think this trade impacts the west one way or the other. I don't like either player. Looks like a "my crap for your crap" kind of deal.

Here's my question, are you really 6'6 if you only weigh 130 pounds? Seems like Jamal should have a few inches subtracted....

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Could Portland and Charlotte step up to help NY out? Randolph to Charlotte. Wallace to Portland. Lafrentz to New York and another player from Portland to Charlotte.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I'm gonna get flamed for this....but I was saying this summer on OLive that I really think Cralawwford and Roy would be nice together.

Obviously I'm backing off of that, but only b.c Rudy and Sergio have been better than I thought they would be. Batum's better than I thought he would be. Outlaw's better than I thought he would be.

But, talent-wise, if you told me I could trade Blake for Crawford straight up? Half a heartbeat.

 

[jwhoops11]

Honestly, I just don't see anyway that over the next 70 games that collection of players finishes better than the Blazers. It's a gimmick offense and little to no defense. yes they're talented, but they've taken a group of players all about the same size, all with about the same skill set, and all needing a ton of shots to be effective and decided they can make a run in the west? Not too mention, minus Stephen Jackson, have any of those players ever consistantly played winning basketball before? I just don't think you win basketball games like that, and the Blazers should still be better.

 

[hasoos]

Size for the sake of size isn't terribly valuable. It's talented size that helps. Golden State's only good big man is Andris Biedrins. Crawford is simply a better player...produces more and plays better defense.

Ha ha ha, ok whatever. The last time I looked, Crawford was a poor shooting volume shooter. He has shot better from the 3 this year, which is a product of being in the D'Antoni system IMO. But I don't see this improving GS, and I don't see him as a better player than Al Harrington. As for his defense, I can't remember a time where Crawfords defense scared anybody.

As for Al Harrington wanting out, it was because he was sick of being used as a center in the Golden State lineup and getting his ass handed to him every night. You can complain about his production if you want, but the facts are he was a SF being asked to play center. He will go to the D'Antoni system and excel in the same role Boris Diaw played in Phoenix.

 

[BatumKaboom]

Ha ha ha, ok whatever. The last time I looked, Crawford was a poor shooting volume shooter. He has shot better from the 3 this year, which is a product of being in the D'Antoni system IMO. But I don't see this improving GS, and I don't see him as a better player than Al Harrington. As for his defense, I can't remember a time where Crawfords defense scared anybody.

As for Al Harrington wanting out, it was because he was sick of being used as a center in the Golden State lineup and getting his ass handed to him every night. You can complain about his production if you want, but the facts are he was a SF being asked to play center. He will go to the D'Antoni system and excel in the same role Boris Diaw played in Phoenix.

I agree. He is going to be good with D'Antoni. I sometimes wish we would have got Mike.

 

[Minstrel]

I'm gonna get flamed for this....but I was saying this summer on OLive that I really think Cralawwford and Roy would be nice together.

Crawford is a decent player. His inefficient shooting is really what holds down his value. If he scored efficiently, he'd be an excellent player.

But, talent-wise, if you told me I could trade Blake for Crawford straight up? Half a heartbeat.

Same for me.

 

[Minstrel]

Ha ha ha, ok whatever. The last time I looked, Crawford was a poor shooting volume shooter.

Yes, that's true. I said he was better than Harrington. His minutes- and pace-adjusted numbers bear that out. Harrington is just as inefficient a scorer, but a worse ball-handler and passer. In terms of PER, Crawford scores a bit higher.

As for his defense, I can't remember a time where Crawfords defense scared anybody.

So, eiiher you're lock down or useless on defense? His defense might not "scare" people. But most NBA analysts I've seen have considered his defense solid, and that matches what I've seen when I've watched him play.

 

[crowTrobot]

zebo to clippers is official

http://realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/55595/20081121/clippers_acquire_randolph/

 

[hasoos]

Yes, that's true. I said he was better than Harrington. His minutes- and pace-adjusted numbers bear that out. Harrington is just as inefficient a scorer, but a worse ball-handler and passer. In terms of PER, Crawford scores a bit higher.



So, eiiher you're lock down or useless on defense? His defense might not "scare" people. But most NBA analysts I've seen have considered his defense solid, and that matches what I've seen when I've watched him play.

But that's just it Minstrel. Those numbers don't bare that out. They are especially not accurate now that Don Nelson has been using him as a center for the past 3 seasons, where he has been getting abused because he is 6'7" tall. Even if you consider those numbers, Jamaal Crawford only has had one good shooting season since he came into the NBA, that being his second season, in Chicago(cough cough..contract year.). Al Harrington has shot over 45% a majority of his NBA career. His shot selection is usually much better, which leads to the better shooting numbers. So how the fuck can you say the "numbers bear that out"?? They don't.

 

[BLAZER PROPHET]

NY would be stupid to trade Zach.

He's the reason they're winning.

Are you sure? I mean, his stats look good, but as we know, his defense was a living joke and he was walking bad news.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Well the way I see it, Raef might have just gotten a litttle more valuable as three players with expiring contracts have been taken off the market.

(Who else wants to enter the Lebron sweepstakes . . . Phx? . . . Nash is getting old and has a fat contract . . . Lebron with Amare would be scary.)

 

[BrianFromWA]

I have to admit, though...I thought he'd be in a lot more headlines in NYC than he's been. Has he been a good boy? Or does NY have much bigger fish to post on Page Six?

 

[Minstrel]

But that's just it Minstrel. Those numbers don't bare that out. They are especially not accurate now that Don Nelson has been using him as a center for the past 3 seasons, where he has been getting abused because he is 6'7" tall.

That shouldn't affect his offensive numbers. In Nelson's run-and-gun style, he gets plenty of match-up advantages against bigger, slower players. In addition, Harrington hasn't played his whole career with Golden State. He was dealt from Indiana as something of a salary albatross.

Even if you consider those numbers, Jamaal Crawford only has had one good shooting season since he came into the NBA, that being his second season, in Chicago(cough cough..contract year.). Al Harrington has shot over 45% a majority of his NBA career. His shot selection is usually much better, which leads to the better shooting numbers. So how the fuck can you say the "numbers bear that out"?? They don't.

The numbers bear out that Crawford has been a more productive player, not that he's an efficient scorer. Their PERs (which account for minutes and pace) show Crawford to have been about an average starter level player most of his career. Outside of his rookie season, he's only been below 15.0 PER once (14.5 PER in 2006-07). PER is normalized such that 15.0 PER indicates an average starter.

Since his rookie year, Harrington has been below 15.0 PER in five seasons (I'm not counting seasons of 14.8 and 14.9 PER), including just under 10.0 PER this season.

Jamal Crawford's TS% (which is akin to FG% except that it factors in three-pointers being worth more points and the effect of drawing and making free throws) is .514 for his career. Not great, but not awful. Harrington's is .515. So they're almost identical in scoring efficiency.

And then in my opinion (and the general opinions I've seen expressed by analysts), Crawford is a better defender than Harrington and solid in general.

 

[THE HCP]

The hoops family is finally back on the west coast! Lock your doors and hide your daughters!

 

[THE HCP]

The Chronic stock will definitely rise once the trade goes through!

 

[cdub503]

im dumb when it comes to salary caps and shit.... why the fuck would anyone want la faerentz or whatever.... hes garbage... theres something im missing and i know it

 

[ehizzy3]

im dumb when it comes to salary caps and shit.... why the fuck would anyone want la faerentz or whatever.... hes garbage... theres something im missing and i know it

he's making more than anyone else on the blazers

 

[Minstrel]

im dumb when it comes to salary caps and shit.... why the fuck would anyone want la faerentz or whatever.... hes garbage... theres something im missing and i know it

Since salaries have to match in almost all trades, the easiest way to "dump" salary is to trade a player with a big long-term contract for a player with a big contract that is set to expire at the end of the season. That way you get rid of the years of financial commitment after this year.

 

[Ed O]

Since salaries have to match in almost all trades, the easiest way to "dump" salary is to trade a player with a big long-term contract for a player with a big contract that is set to expire at the end of the season. That way you get rid of the years of financial commitment after this year.

Yep. To take it one step farther, not only is Raef's deal expiring at the end of this year, but there's a good chance that insurance will cover a portion of his salary... since cash exchanged in a single trade is capped at $3m, getting Raef is (in addition to the future cap savings Minstrel outlined above) almost like a loophole, getting free cash for the team that acquires him.

Ed O.