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Re: Harrison FUCKING Barnes

Treaty_of_Batum said:
Take the one that is a bit higher
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If the difference is clear, I agree. If there's no significant edge for either, I think you definitely select the player at a position of need.
 
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Nikolokolus said:
zig when the media thinks you're going to zag?
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I'm definitely on board with avoiding Zags. Adam Morrison has forever scared me away from Gonzaga players.
 
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Minstrel said:
If the difference is clear, I agree. If there's no significant edge for either, I think you definitely select the player at a position of need.
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That could be the right answer, but disappointed was told something else. I was excited about just picking the BPA irrelevant of position. I really thought that was the best philosophy given this Blazer squad. That and Blazer have been burned by letting position factor into who to draft in the past. Heck if you ask them back then, they probably would justify that Chris Paul and Webster were in the same tier.
 
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Blaze01 said:
What significant player have they drafted since 2008?

History is not on your side, yet you (and others) keep defending this inept organization....

There is a difference b\t a fan and and a homer....
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You don't seem like either right now.. If you aren't going to give the Blazers organization a "pass", are you going to stop being a fan?
 
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I completely agree with VanillaGorilla, but I also agree with other statements made in this thread.

The last couple drafts have been complete wastes; beabois and gibson passed over for Claver (draft and stash, I guess - think we traded Mullens?) don't really remember how it went down but Beaubois and Gibson were who I believed we should have picked; was furious with Babbitt for Martell and then Armon, but was happy with Elliot, and last year we obviously had the Smith over Faried issue.

However, that was previous management (or mismanagement) and I came into this draft with clear expectations - acquire assets, get better, draft BPA - but go for need amongst these tiers. This meant Anthony Davis was clearly tier 1. Tier 2 I had Beal, MKG, T Rob. Amongst these players, dependent on our plans for Batum, and where we wanted to head as an organization, I'd choose Brad Beal, solely because we need a SG more than a 3 or 4.

Tier 3 I had Lillard, Barnes, Waiters, Drummond. I would have chosen Lillard, solely because I'm crazy high on him, but also because I believe the gap between him and Marshall is MUCH greater than Drummond and Leonard/Henson/Zeller/etc. I had Marshall quite low in tiers, while my next tier consisted of Leonard/Ross/Lamb/Henson/Rivers. Due to the need process, I would have taken Leonard, Henson, or Ross here (Would have taken Ross, I'm fairly high on him. He is tier 3.5 IMO).

So what it boiled down to was a Tier 3 (Drummond) and about a tier 6ish player (Marshall) or Tier 3 (Lillard) and a tier 4 (Meyers) player.

Within this process, I think we greatly succeeded in achieving our goals, that I had in place for us for the draft.

That is why I label this a great success, and I'm ok with passing on Barnes (as long as we have something in place for Batum - which I believe we do, as Olshey said he is a pillar). It keeps us from having a redundancy, two SFs with similar skillsets, neither attacking, and addressed a need as well.
 
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You don't pass up on a potential super star because you have the position filled. We know painfully well that is a huge mistake.

But if there are no GREAT players left on the board, then I think you do draft for need. I just don't think you can consider Barnes Great.

Leonard on the other hand is different IMO. Still no great players available, but there was a position of need (SG) and a player who some of us thought was pretty good. Maybe they just did not like Lamb from his Monday meeting. I would have taken him but maybe they thought they could get someone equally as good later on. (i.e Barton)
 
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After 30+ years and 5 straight years of utter ineptitude...yeah...I just might...
 
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Minstrel said:
What do you prescribe when two players are rated relatively equally?
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I don't believe that is the case here. If all 30 teams had the choice at the 6th pick I think Barnes would be selected over 5 times as often as Lillard. Thus Barnes was a greatly superior prospect. Obviously its all hypothetical but that's my opinion.
 
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
Heck if you ask them back then, they probably would justify that Chris Paul and Webster were in the same tier.
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Maybe, which would be correct philosophy but poor scouting. Utilizing the correct drafting philosophy doesn't matter if you can't evaluate correctly. If the Blazers felt Lillard was in the same tier as Barnes, I can't fault them for choosing the player who actually fills a roster hole. However, if Barnes proves to be a clearly better NBA player, I can fault them for poor talent evaluation.

Currently, I have no real idea of Olshey's talent evaluation acumen, so I'm content to wait and see. I'm comforted that mainstream opinion didn't have Barnes as a clearly better player than Lillard. Mainstream opinion isn't always right, but it's all we've got right now, IMO, considering I'm not sold on the scouting eye of anyone in this forum (myself included).
 
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Blaze01 said:
lol

You know I have NO respect for fans like you who root for this franchise no matter how many fuck ups they do...

The Blazers love homers like you and others here who keeep giving them money no matter how bad they fucking screw things up....It is like minting money for them....

I won't re-up my tickets...I am done with this piece of shit franchise until Allen dies a fucking cancer ridden death....
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We will miss your Avatar
 
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LMAO @ the fuss over Barnes. The guy is incredibly pedestrian. If I had a complaint, it would be Meyers over Lamb. I think we needed another scorer/guy who can get his own shot.
 
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Draco said:
I don't believe that is the case here. If all 30 teams had the choice at the 6th pick I think Barnes would be selected over 5 times as often as Lillard. Thus Barnes was a greatly superior prospect. Obviously its all hypothetical but that's my opinion.
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I haven't seen anything to suggest that. Pretty much everything I read suggested that beyond the top four or so (Davis, Kidd-Gilchrist, Beal and Robinson), the next group of players (which included Lillard and Barnes) didn't have very much separating them and were toss-ups. Barnes' stock has been dropping steadily for a long time and he seems widely considered to have not met the hype that accompanied him to North Carolina. I respect that your opinion is different, but my perception is that there was not any significant gap between them in terms of outside perceptions.
 
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Minstrel said:
Maybe, which would be correct philosophy but poor scouting. Utilizing the correct drafting philosophy doesn't matter if you can't evaluate correctly. If the Blazers felt Lillard was in the same tier as Barnes, I can't fault them for choosing the player who actually fills a roster hole. However, if Barnes proves to be a clearly better NBA player, I can fault them for poor talent evaluation.

Currently, I have no real idea of Olshey's talent evaluation acumen, so I'm content to wait and see. I'm comforted that mainstream opinion didn't have Barnes as a clearly better player than Lillard. Mainstream opinion isn't always right, but it's all we've got right now, IMO, considering I'm not sold on the scouting eye of anyone in this forum (myself included).
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But we have no idea if Barnes and Lilard were in the same tier. You are making that assumption while NBA insiders are tweeting that Blazers will be drafting a small and a big.

Just as you can find articles about Barnes being a potential bust, there are many articles that put him in the top four. I can't find an article that puts Lillard in the top 4
 
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Blaze01 said:
lol

You know I have NO respect for fans like you who root for this franchise no matter how many fuck ups they do...

The Blazers love homers like you and others here who keeep giving them money no matter how bad they fucking screw things up....It is like minting money for them....

I won't re-up my tickets...I am done with this piece of shit franchise until Allen dies a fucking cancer ridden death....
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Amusing, you claiming to know what kind of fan I am. You know nothing about me.

I'm sorry to see that you're so emotionally wrung-out over draft picks. It suggests that perhaps you need something more in your life.

Good luck to you in all your future fan-ships.
 
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
But we have no idea if Barnes and Lilard were in the same tier. You are making that assumption while NBA insiders are tweeting that Blazers will be drafting a small and a big.
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I'm not making the assumption, I'm saying it's a perfectly reasonable possibility. I'm not willing to flay the Blazers for a speculated crime (choosing need over superior talent) when there's no compelling evidence that they did, in my estimation. If, in fact, they did think Barnes was a greater talent but selected Lillard because he fit a need then, yes, I would agree that that's a terrible approach.
 
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Draco said:
I don't believe that is the case here. If all 30 teams had the choice at the 6th pick I think Barnes would be selected over 5 times as often as Lillard. Thus Barnes was a greatly superior prospect. Obviously its all hypothetical but that's my opinion.
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Okay. So lets do it -this- way.

Top SFs in the NBA = Something like this. If we give each team NO STARTING CALIBER PG and there realistic options are Lillard, Barnes - who do they draft #6? I'm pretty sure its a unanimous sweep that each team, if they had an above average SF, would go with Lillard over Barnes if there PG was FAR below average and coming off of his rookie year.

LeBron
Carmelo
Durant
Pierce
Granger
Gay
Batum
Deng
etc.
 
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Aw hell, Blazers drafted Lillard so I got to get on board with him. I guess this also means it doesn't make sense offers big contract to a PG that matches with LA's age and prime. So looks like it's Lillard or bust. Just need to process it and move on (since I have already renewed my season tickets).

Go Blazers!
Go Lillard.
Go Leonard?
 
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PtldPlatypus said:
Amusing, you claiming to know what kind of fan I am. You know nothing about me.

I'm sorry to see that you're so emotionally wrung-out over draft picks. It suggests that perhaps you need something more in your life.

Good luck to you in all your future fan-ships.
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Treaty_of_Batum said:
But we have no idea if Barnes and Lilard were in the same tier. You are making that assumption while NBA insiders are tweeting that Blazers will be drafting a small and a big.

Just as you can find articles about Barnes being a potential bust, there are many articles that put him in the top four. I can't find an article that puts Lillard in the top 4
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And you are assuming that we didn't have them in the same tier... Either one, someone is assuming. And judging by the fact that Barnes did drop, its safe to say he wasn't one of the clear cut top 4 picks, yes?

It's even more laughable that the team that was SOOOO incredibly high on him for the last 2 or 3 years, with multiple articles stating that there is no way barnes drops past them at 4 (yes, the cavs) ended up reaching for Dion Waiters.
 
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Blaze01 said:
Go fuck yourself dickwad....

I find you homer attitude towards the Blazers to be as pathetic as that avatar of yours...
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:lol: A man who cycles through pictures of unobtainable fantasy women calling my avatar pathetic. Classic...
 
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OregonHuskerMan said:
And you are assuming that we didn't have them in the same tier... Either one, someone is assuming. And judging by the fact that Barnes did drop, its safe to say he wasn't one of the clear cut top 4 picks, yes?

It's even more laughable that the team that was SOOOO incredibly high on him for the last 2 or 3 years, with multiple articles stating that there is no way barnes drops past them at 4 (yes, the cavs) ended up reaching for Dion Waiters.
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I don't know what to think other than I don't believe what Olshey said which is position would not factor into his drafting philosophy.

As said, I got to go with it now (tis thread sparked up my feeling again, I'll accept all this by tomorrow morning). But right now it doesn't sit well with me that the consensus was that Ptd was set to draft a PG and center with the 6 and 11 pick two days before the draft. Hell if that really was the strategy, I could have done the same thing Olshey did today. :) (see I'm trying to have a sense of humor about all this)

You don't get at all what where I'm coming from here. Even Zeller said in an interview what the Blazers would do . ..
 
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Blaze01 said:
lol, is that all you got? Surely you can do better loser....
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Do better at what? Perhaps you haven't noticed, but I'm actually a pleasant person. I don't have an ax to grind. I'm not someone who gets involved in flame wars. My initial post in this thread was suggesting a way for you to avoid all the angst that you're dealing with tonight. All the hostility has come from your end.

Again, I'm sorry that your disappointment in this draft has made you so angry. However, if taking it out on me makes you feel better, you're welcome to continue. My platypus hat and I will be right here to absorb all the vitriol you can send my way.
 
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I love Blaze_01 and your meltdown of almost epic proportions. think it might be time to back away from the forum and chill out a little bit.

I consider myself a fan of UNC and watched a lot of their games this season and last. Barnes is a nice player that I think will have a good NBA career but he isn't a "Can't Miss" prospect. He has some big holes in his game and his play dropped off quite a bit when Marshall went down. I would have rather seen Barnes taken over Lillard but I'm not all that upset and I'm glad we didn't waste a pick on Lamb, who I think is highly overrated, especially considering we got Barton in the 2nd round.
 
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This thread seems more like a political thread then a basketball thread. People going over the top and acting like the world is ending just because decisions were made that they didn't approve of.
Is Barnes going to come back to haunt us? Only if Lillard turns out to be a bust. Is Lamb going to come back to haunt us? Doubt he gets off the bench unless we move Ewill/Wes. Anyone who loves Barnes, just take a look at what happened to him when Marshell went down. The guy has no ball handling skills, he makes Wes look like Nash and his defense is nothing to write home about. He has everything there to be amazing, but so do many players in this draft and so do many other players who never become great (Marvin williams/Webster).n
We didn't do anything crazy like I know I was hoping for and so many others were, but I don't think we killed it, nor do I think we completely fucked it up.
 
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