Has Pat Clutchaughton replaced Crabbe?

[GDiama]

I think the assumption was that Crabbe would be starting for the Nets - he isn't.

And what does it have to do with what I'm saying? Maybe he is not starting because there are better players? And he is lucky Lin got injured, because Lin, Russell and Carroll would be the starters and that would not change.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

And what does it have to do with what I'm saying? Maybe he is not starting because there are better players? And he is lucky Lin got injured, because Lin, Russell and Carroll would be the starters and that would not change.

You apparently missed Denny's post above:

http://nypost.com/2017/10/29/one-net-explains-his-disappearing-act-vs-knicks/

Good read.

Crabbe has started once in the first six games of the season and is still building up his minutes after missing time with a sprained ankle during the preseason.

...

Crabbe said there are still restrictions on his playing time after the injury. There is constant dialogue between him and the staff after each game regarding how he’s feeling, and though he’s averaging 24.3 minutes per game, that number could increase.

“Lately I’ve been feeling really good,” Crabbe said. “If I feel good and I can carry more of a workload, then we’ll sit down and have that conversation, make that decision when the time comes.”

Atkinson said his starting five is by no means set in cement for the rest of the year. There could be moves to be made once Crabbe is restriction-free, but first he’ll need to learn how to consistently be an offensive threat, even on nights like Friday.​

emphases mine.

 

[THE HCP]

I wonder where are those Crabbe believers talking about the big numbers he would get with the Nets? Where is his better all around game that we were not taking advantage of? Wasn't he supposed to be having 3+ asts? Where did you go Crabbe believers? Still here? Your boy getting even less mins than last season.

I wonder where the fans are with common sense that don't jump to conclusions either way after 13 fucking days.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I wonder where the fans are with common sense that don't jump to conclusions either way after 13 fucking days.

No jumping to conclusions necessary. This is his fifth season. New team, same Crabbe.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

I wonder where the fans are with common sense that don't jump to conclusions either way after 13 fucking days.

Bro, I think he'll do WORSE in a situation where he has not expanded his game in any way and then being game planned against.

 

[THE HCP]

No jumping to conclusions necessary. This is his fifth season. New team, same Crabbe.

BNM

Guy has been injured and we are only a week and a half into the season.

 

[dviss1]

Guy has been injured and we are only a week and a half into the season.

There is nothing in Crabbe's game that says he'll be successful without 2 AMAZING guards to play with.

 

[GDiama]

You apparently missed Denny's post above:


emphases mine.

And I repeat. What does your initial post had to do with mine? He is not doing those things you were talking about because he is not starting?

I have watched 3 games and it's the same Crabbe that we saw. I don't see better defense, I don't see passing, I don't see rebounding. You can blame these injuries, but I see the exact same player he was the last 2 years.

Ok lets give him some weeks to recover (because apparently that's why he is the same player and not a new CJ ). After that i expect those 3+ asts, rebounds etc you were talking about.

 

[GDiama]

Guy has been injured and we are only a week and a half into the season.

Ah that's why he is not making plays. It's that ankle that limits him from seeing his teammates. Maybe side effect is blurred vision.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

O
Ok lets give him some weeks to recover (because apparently that's why he is the same player and not a new CJ ). After that i expect those 3+ asts, rebounds etc you were talking about.

and there we have it, common ground. I don't think Crabbe is all that. Let's just give him some time to acclimate to his new team/scheme and let him heal up. We'll know in 20 or so more games, and you'll probably be right about him, but it makes sense to defer judgment for a while.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Guy has been injured and we are only a week and a half into the season.

We're a week and a half into his FIFTH season. He is what he is - a one dimensional shooter who can't create his own shot.

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

We're a week and a half into his FIFTH season. He is what he is - a one dimensional shooter who can't create his own shot.

BNM

So, he's Byron Scott?

 

[dviss1]

So, he's Byron Scott?

 

[Boob-No-More]

So, he's Byron Scott?

Nope. Scott was a better passer, better rebounder, better ball handler and better defender. He wasn't elite in those areas, but was more than passable.

In Scott's 5th season he averaged 21.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.1 apg, and 1.9 spg. Get back to me with your Byron Scott comparison when Crabbe comes close to ANY of those averages, let alone all of them in the same season.

Of course, one poster predicted Crabbe would average 20/6/4 this season and make the all star team. So, if it's any consolation, you're not the only one who sees a similarity (in fantasy, if not reality) to Byron Scott.

BNM

 

[BBert]

Crabbe has shown over the course of his career that he cannot create for himself or for others. He cannot be relied on to bring the ball up the court as the situation dictates, and certainly not under pressure. Pat can and does. It does not appear to me that Crabbe is a better outside shooter than Connaughton; in fact, I feel more confident in Pat's shot than Allen's. Pat has shown so far this season that he can take and make shots under pressure, that Allen wouldn't even attempt. Pat is more active on the court, on offense and defense. I can't think of a single thing that Crabbe does better than Pat. Both are second round draft picks, and IMO, both have done well just to stick in the NBA. Neither are worth Crabbe's salary though, so I'm glad we have Pat and another team is paying Crabbe.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

So, he can dunk, too? So, what. He was a dead-eye shooter, which is exactly
what you want you want next to a great passer.
1) The video doesn't show him going around his man, even once.
2) BNM provides no evidence of him Scott being able to create, either.
3) I WAS BEING FACETIOUS, HENCE THE SMILEY FACE!!

Nope. Scott was a better passer, better rebounder, better ball handler and better defender. He wasn't elite in those areas, but was more than passable.

In Scott's 5th season he averaged 21.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.1 apg, and 1.9 spg. Get back to me with your Byron Scott comparison when Crabbe comes close to ANY of those averages, let alone all of them in the same season.

Of course, one poster predicted Crabbe would average 20/6/4 this season and make the all star team. So, if it's any consolation, you're not the only one who sees a similarity (in fantasy, if not reality) to Byron Scott.

BNM

 

[dviss1]

So, he can dunk, too? So, what. He was a dead-eye shooter, which is exactly
what you want you want next to a great passer.
1) The video doesn't show him going around his man, even once.
2) BNM provides no evidence of him Scott being able to create, either.
3) I WAS BEING FACETIOUS, HENCE THE SMILEY FACE!!

Don't argue with me anymore. You're wrong. Just fast forward to 2:49 of the video and be done now.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Don't argue with me anymore. You're wrong. Just fast forward to 2:49 of the video and be done now.

So, he can go around a guy who's running out at him, lol. Keep searching!

 

[SportsAndWhine]

Pat has been solid on D. IMO he's a better defender as he gives way more effort.

His stats put him as our worst defender getting regular minutes but sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

Also, and this is huge, our worst defender this year is better than our defense all last year.

 

[dviss1]

So, he can go around a guy who's running out at him, lol. Keep searching!

That was a jab step, step dribble, down the lane dunk over 2 defenders.

Learn the game then post.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

That was a jab step, step dribble, down the lane dunk over 2 defenders.

Learn the game then post.

Impressive, no one guarding him.

 

[dviss1]

Impressive, no one guarding him.

You clearly don't have a clue about what you're talking about. He beat three to four Defenders on that play. I'm done debating with you on this because you don't have a clue of how he actually played.

 

[Boob-No-More]

2) BNM provides no evidence of him Scott being able to create, either.

Yes, I did, but you chose to ignore it. He averaged 4.1 apg in his 5th season.

Smiley, or not, your comparison was ridiculous and now you're defending it.

Scott: 21.7 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 4.1 apg, 1.9 spg in his 5th season.
Crabbe: 10.6 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 1.4 apg, 0.6 spg in his 5th season.

Before you jump all over me for the small sample size for Crabbe, I am being generous. Those 3.0 rpg, and 1.4 apg are career highs. It has yet to be seen if he can sustain those lofty numbers for an entire season.

BNM