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[ABM]

Who gives a shit what book or document put their hand on? It's completely irrelevant. Either they will adhere to the oath they are taking, or they won't. The book involved doesn't affect that, at all.

barfo

Obviously, you haven't read the S2 Code of Ethics. Rules and Procedures matter.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

@MarAzul what religions should be not allowed to hold public office?

 

[MarAzul]

If someone wanted to swear their oath on a telephone book of their constituents I think that would actually be pretty cool.

And I think it would be legal.

 

[barfo]

I your mind, I expect you mean exactly what you say.

You are not my mind, and I'm pretty sure you never say exactly what you mean to say.

barfo

 

[H.C.]

The Constitution requires members of Congress to take the oath or Affirm they will uphold and support the Constitution of the United States. Many other office holders through out the country are also required to do likewise.

Most choose to swear on the Bible, Some Jewish members chose to use the Torah or other books of faith.
Some non Christians or Jews have chosen to affirm support for the Constitution with hand on the a Copy of the Constitution. All sound good to me, although I might chose the latter if I were the position but a Bible would due if asked to do so since it is the book along with the Torah it contains, that codifies western morality.

However, allowing member of the Islamic religion to use the Quran seem very troubling to me as well as disingenuous by them in my view. I think the following few statements of fact quite clearly reveal the conflict.

1. Sharia law is and integral part of Islam.
2. Sharia law is in many ways in conflict with the US Constitution.
3. No one should be expected to take an Oath on the Quran and be expected give preference to the Constitution before Islam.
4. No one can expect a follower of Islam to hold the Constitution above Islam while taking the Oath on the Quran.
5. According to Quran 4:29, Muslims are obligated to lie when it serves their purpose, especially to the infidel.

I have discussed the last bullet in detail with Bosnian and Egyptian Muslims, trying to understand how to do business with middle eastern. Never could figure out how for sure, for sure.

I think the first to take Oath of office in the Congress was in 2006 on the Quran interpreted by Thomas Jefferson, as did the one if not both of the current Muslim members of Congress.

I do not think the good works of Jefferson matters in this question.

https://www.meforum.org/2095/islams-doctrines-of-deception

https://www.crf-usa.org/america-responds-to-terrorism/the-origins-of-islamic-law.html

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/03/us/congress-swear-in-religious-books-trnd/index.html

tl;dr muslims are scary.
Signed the OP.

 

[MarAzul]

@MarAzul what religions should be not allowed to hold public office?

No religious test is permitted, no I should say, a religious test is forbidden.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

No religious test is permitted, no I should say, a religious test is forbidden.

Oh. So the issue is with the pulped wood?

 

[MarAzul]

You are not my mind, and I'm pretty sure you never say exactly what you mean to say.

barfo

I need to avoid the wrath of @SlyPokerDog or I don't get to say anything.

 

[barfo]

I need to avoid the wrath of @SlyPokerDog or I don't get to say anything.

Evidence suggests you are incorrect.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Oh. So the issue is with the pulped wood?

Perhaps it is visible symbols of conscience or sincerity.

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[Sedatedfork]

If trump gets reelected, can he please give his oath on printouts of his twitter page?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Perhaps it is visible symbols of conscience or sincerity.

.

Perhaps inanimate objects have varying levels of fear attached to them, depending on your political affiliation

 

[MarAzul]

Perhaps inanimate objects have varying levels of fear attached to them, depending on your political affiliation

Perhaps. Then again it may have more to do with ones experiences.

 

[barfo]

Perhaps. Then again it may have more to do with ones experiences.

Or one's favorite flavor of cheese nips.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Evidence suggests you are incorrect.

barfo

BTW,
I started this thread as a result of reading your attempt to get someone to prove the Muslim congress woman supported Sharia law.
I thought it a dumbass suggestion since Sharia is an integral part of Islam, therefore taking the Oath of office on the Quran confirms the proof you seek.
It also pretty much confirms one is doing the equivalent of crossing their fingers while taking the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.
Sort of like Affirming with an implicit GFY.

 

[MarAzul]

Or one's favorite flavor of cheese nips.

barfo

I concede you know of those.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Or one's favorite flavor of cheese nips.

barfo

I prefer cheese flavored

 

[barfo]

BTW,
I started this thread as a result of reading your attempt to get someone to prove the Muslim congress woman supported Sharia law.
I thought it a dumbass suggestion since Sharia is an integral part of Islam, therefore taking the Oath of office on the Quran confirms the proof you seek.
It also pretty much confirms one is doing the equivalent of crossing their fingers while taking the oath to uphold and defend the Constitution.
Sort of like Affirming with an implicit GFY.

Yeah, I suppose if you think everyone who swears on the Bible is saying that the USA should implement all laws found in the Bible, then what you are saying makes sense. But they definitely aren't, and it doesn't.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Now there are a few Muslim in the US and Canada, perhaps else where, that are trying to start a reformation of Islam. Pretty much to separate the religion from
the Sharia law. Much as Jesus suggested to remove the harshness Mosaic Law. No stoning of gays and such. But I don't know, where will they find a new prophet of the stature of Mohammad. They are few and far between.

 

[MarAzul]

Yeah, I suppose if you think everyone who swears on the Bible is saying that the USA should implement all laws found in the Bible, then what you are saying makes sense. But they definitely aren't, and it doesn't.

barfo

No barf!
I think they are swearing as god is my witness, that I will defend and protect... Communicating to their fellow countryman whom share the same morality code, they will follow the Constitution. Perhaps you have difficulty relating, but a majority do not.

 

[barfo]

No barf!
I think they are swearing as god is my witness, that I will defend and protect... Communicating to their fellow countryman whom share the same morality code, they will follow the Constitution. Perhaps you have difficulty relating, but a majority do not.

Ok, so it doesn't actually matter that Sharia law is in the Koran, it just matters that they are Muslim and therefore you think they don't have the same moral fiber as us white folk.

Got it.

And yet, very frequently those who swear on the bible turn out not to uphold that oath. So what is swearing on the bible really worth?

barfo

 

[CupWizier]

Who gives a shit what book or document put their hand on? It's completely irrelevant. Either they will adhere to the oath they are taking, or they won't. The book involved doesn't affect that, at all.

barfo

Exactly and as we have seen, trump has obliterated many things that he swore on a bible to do so it shows that it is meaningless.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

August 24, 2017?

 

[riverman]

August 24, 2017?

and here we all thought you didn't date!

 

[MarAzul]

Sharia law is in the Koran

>>>Of course it matters! How silly to assume otherwise. Don't you think that makes it integral to the religion? Sort of like combining the Bible and the Constitution.
I know you could wipe your ass with either, but most folks don't.

therefore you think they don't have the same moral fiber

>>>No, I don't think we have the same moral fiber. We do have different code written. The Quran is quite different than the New Testament of the Bible, the teaching of Mohammad are starkly different than that of Jesus. The Hadiths make this abundantly clear.

And yet, very frequently those who swear on the bible turn out not to uphold that oath.

>>>Very true, but hopefully those that vote notice and take appropriate action. Where as swearing on the Quran, seems to me to be an obligations to not support the Constitution, and obligation to deceive the infidels that support the Constitution. So why permit this perversion to take place???
Actually is seems that the Constitution needs and update, since it prohibits a religious test, what then when the religion in question is in direct conflict with the Constitution? As Sharia Law of Islam is with the US Constitution. I don't think the founders covered that fuckup. Jefferson did not do his work on the Quran until more that 20 years after the Constitution was adopted. I think he did it after some experience with them during his wars with the Barbary Pirates.

So what is swearing on the bible really worth?

>>> You affirm you will support the Constitution, and it is up to the voters to see that you do. Rather as the Constitutions suggests.

What every it is worth for the bible, it is worth nothing when taken with the Quran has it directs the faithful to lie to the infidel.
This at least should be understood, don't you agree?

 

[riverman]

Fact.....Trump really only likes people with enough money to buy his real estate...and porn stars

 

[MarAzul]

I think there are some falsehoods in there, you might want to check your sources.

For instance, I'll bet you cannot provide any backup whatsoever for the claim that 2 congresspeople want to institute Sharia law.

barfo

How about the bare fact that they took their oath of office with the hand on Quran? That should make it very plan and clear to everyone.

"Rashida Tlaib, an American-born Muslim of Palestinian descent, was sworn in with her left hand on her own copy of the Quran, though she considered using a 1734 English translation that belonged to Thomas Jefferson. And Ilhan Omar, who arrived in the US 23 years ago as a refugee fleeing Somalia’s war, used the Quran of her late grandfather, who helped raise her."


I might believe that possible could be affirming to uphold and defend the US Constitution if they had their hand on a copy of the Constitution.
But with the hand on the Quran, that is tantamount to GFY and screw your Constitution infidel.

 

[barfo]

>>>Of course it matters! How silly to assume otherwise. Don't you think that makes it integral to the religion? Sort of like combining the Bible and the Constitution.

No. You insist the Koran be read literally, but I'll bet you don't insist the Bible be read literally.

>>>No, I don't think we have the same moral fiber. We do have different code written. The Quran is quite different than the New Testament of the Bible, the teaching of Mohammad are starkly different than that of Jesus. The Hadiths make this abundantly clear.

Yeah, well, tough shit. We allow people to practice whatever religion they want to in this country.

>>>Very true, but hopefully those that vote notice and take appropriate action. Where as swearing on the Quran, seems to me to be an obligations to not support the Constitution, and obligation to deceive the infidels that support the Constitution. So why permit this perversion to take place???

I think your reading is more than a little bit off-kilter.

What every it is worth for the bible, it is worth nothing when taken with the Quran has it directs the faithful to lie to the infidel.
This at least should be understood, don't you agree?

It's worth nothing either way. People ought to just sign their name to the oath on paper. Raising one hand and putting the other on some supposedly sacred text is mere theater.

barfo

 

[barfo]

How about the bare fact that they took their oath of office with the hand on Quran? That should make it very plan and clear to everyone.

"Rashida Tlaib, an American-born Muslim of Palestinian descent, was sworn in with her left hand on her own copy of the Quran, though she considered using a 1734 English translation that belonged to Thomas Jefferson. And Ilhan Omar, who arrived in the US 23 years ago as a refugee fleeing Somalia’s war, used the Quran of her late grandfather, who helped raise her."


I might believe that possible could be affirming to uphold and defend the US Constitution if they had their hand on a copy of the Constitution.
But with the hand on the Quran, that is tantamount to GFY and screw your Constitution infidel.

As I've mentioned in the other thread, this is horseshit.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

No. You insist the Koran be read literally, but I'll bet you don't insist the Bible be read literally.

I read and study. I am neither Christian nor Muslim.