Have ROY's knees deteriorated again?

[Blazinaway]

it's an important question and given how bad his last 8 games have been it's very important for now and especially the future. If his knees can't hold up any longer than this in limited minutes and his play is this poor as a result, he has a very limited or no future IMO.

 

[maxiep]

That's the reality. The Blazers knew at some point in time, his wheels were going to come off, but they thought they had a few years. It's too bad: There are so many maggots in this league, yet it's a good guy like Brandon whose body fails him.

He's a 21st Century Geoff Petrie.

 

[Blazinaway]

That's the reality. The Blazers knew at some point in time, his wheels were going to come off, but they thought they had a few years. It's too bad: There are so many maggots in this league, yet it's a good guy like Brandon whose body fails him.

He's a 21st Century Geoff Petrie.

It is too bad, he was a really good player and good guy going into what should have been his prime, my guess is if there is an amnesty clause in the new CBA the Blazers probably should use it IMO. He gets paid and at least we get lux tax relief. Maxie, do you think a med retirement is a possibility?

MK

 

[maxiep]

It is too bad, he was a really good player and good guy going into what should have been his prime, my guess is if there is an amnesty clause in the new CBA the Blazers probably should use it IMO. He gets paid and at least we get lux tax relief. Maxie, do you think a med retirement is a possibility?

MK

I absolutely do. There's simply no recovery from missing cartilage. If he continues to play, he risks not only early knee arthritis, but deformation of the joint and knee replacement. It's not reasonable to ask of any player to continue to play at the risk of having their entire joints replaced. Of course, the choice will be his.

It's just so sad to see him try to do stuff he did before and his body not obey. He has to be awfully frustrated.

 

[Blazinaway]

I absolutely do. There's simply no recovery from missing cartilage. If he continues to play, he risks not only early knee arthritis, but deformation of the joint and knee replacement. It's not reasonable to ask of any player to continue to play at the risk of having their entire joints replaced. Of course, the choice will be his.

It's just so sad to see him try to do stuff he did before and his body not obey. He has to be awfully frustrated.

No kidding, I feel for him and the come down has been so rapid it has to be very tough to accept, it sucks big time for him, the team, and the fans.

 

[tlongII]

I didn't see his body failing him that much. I just saw a lot of mental errors. I think it's part of the process of getting comfortable playing again.

 

[maxiep]

I didn't see his body failing him that much. I just saw a lot of mental errors. I think it's part of the process of getting comfortable playing again.

Seriously? You don't see that he's lost that first step?

 

[STOMP]

I didn't see his body failing him that much. I just saw a lot of mental errors. I think it's part of the process of getting comfortable playing again.

I saw rebounds and loose balls he should have grabbed go to others and various Hornets blowing by him seemingly at will. To my eyes he looked very slow and limited last night

STOMP

 

[Blazinaway]

I saw rebounds and loose balls he should have grabbed go to others and various Hornets blowing by him seemingly at will. To my eyes he looked very slow and limited last night

STOMP

agree, his movement/first step looks pretty much gone, and that kills much of his offense and defense

 

[Rhal]

I saw rebounds and loose balls he should have grabbed go to others and various Hornets blowing by him seemingly at will. To my eyes he looked very slow and limited last night

STOMP

He was very slow and seemed almost uncoordinated at times. He has to figure out how to defend and attack without needing that first step if he still wants to play basketball. I think he should just retire before he completely destroys his knees. I loved Vintage Roy and if this Roy could figure out how to play that would be nice, but he won't be the next Grant Hill. Roy is one of the nice guys in the nba and i'd rather not see him in 5 years have to walk with a Cain.

 

[PapaG]

I absolutely do. There's simply no recovery from missing cartilage. If he continues to play, he risks not only early knee arthritis, but deformation of the joint and knee replacement. It's not reasonable to ask of any player to continue to play at the risk of having their entire joints replaced. Of course, the choice will be his.

It's just so sad to see him try to do stuff he did before and his body not obey. He has to be awfully frustrated.

It would be nice if the new CBA means you can actually waive a player, get cap relief, pay him, and then resign that player for the veteran minimum after he clears waivers.

I'd love to have a hobbled Roy on the bench, if the price was right. 4 more years of this, though, will become unbearable, and it's not Brandon's fault.

 

[tlongII]

I know that he's lost his explosiveness, but that's to be expected. The problem in the last couple of games is that he's making unforced turnovers. That problem is mental in my opinion.

 

[BlazerCaravan]

I know that he's lost his explosiveness, but that's to be expected. The problem in the last couple of games is that he's making unforced turnovers. That problem is mental in my opinion.

Yes; the mental problem is that he thinks he moves faster than he actually does. His body and his mind are not one; for 24 years, they were, and now it's like he's the body of someone much older, and his brain can yell at his legs to "move, dammit!" or"jump, dammit!" but they can't.

I feel awful for him. He looked like Patrick Ewing in his last days... slow, unable to jump for a rebound, or fight through a pick. He's stone still in those situations, no vertical attempt anymore. He's putting on a brave face, but his body has told his mind to fuck off, and that's gotta be depressing.

 

[Draco]

Well he looked good for his first few games back. Does he just need to play 1 out of every 3 games or something? Maybe his career is over, but I'd like to see the team try some different things first. Also not push his minutes way past 20 on his second game back (Denver) and have our announcers joke around about how McMillian will be over the minute limit hahaha....

 

[Blazinaway]

Well he looked good for his first few games back. Does he just need to play 1 out of every 3 games or something? Maybe his career is over, but I'd like to see the team try some different things first. Also not push his minutes way past 20 on his second game back (Denver) and have our announcers joke around about how McMillian will be over the minute limit hahaha....

1 in 3 game at 20-25 minutes - I have to ask why bother? if that is all he can do then "career over" is applicable IMO

 

[BlazerCaravan]

1 in 3 game at 20-25 minutes - I have to ask why bother? if that is all he can do then "career over" is applicable IMO

Yeah, that's a MP range of 540 - 675 minutes; that's like Dante's Minutes Per Game with Armon Johnson's Games Played... woof. By way of comparison, Patty Mills this season has played over 700 minutes.

Looking at his game log, he's playing exactly as bad now as he did before he sat out for 2 months.

 

[illmatic99]

Might be fluid build up. I wonder how often he gets it drained. I've read that it's a very painful procedure.

 

[Draco]

1 in 3 game at 20-25 minutes - I have to ask why bother? if that is all he can do then "career over" is applicable IMO

Well after a couple months of that maybe his body could gradually be brought up to play 20mins but sit out back to backs. There are no back to backs in the playoffs. Clearly it doesn't work to play him 25mins a night every game.

 

[Blazinaway]

Well after a couple months of that maybe his body could gradually be brought up to play 20mins but sit out back to backs. There are no back to backs in the playoffs. Clearly it doesn't work to play him 25mins a night every game.

I then have to ask is it worth it to this teams future to bother with that process? This causes disruptions with combination's, other guys getting minutes and so forth. If there is an amnesty clause IMO we should use it. I guess if there is no amnesty clause we are stuck with how it is and maybe some "plan" like you outline is tried - though to me that seems wishful thinking and if he plays "less' then how good will his timing/playing ability be?

 

[Natebishop3]

Its better to know this now so the team can plan accordingly. It is obvious that Roy wont be the same player, so the team needs to add a legit point guard in the offseason to back up miller.

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[maxiep]

Might be fluid build up. I wonder how often he gets it drained. I've read that it's a very painful procedure.

I can testify that it sucks.

 

[blue32]

I cry every time i remember what Roy used to do for us, and now cant.. in fact i'm crying right now.

 

[Shooter]

I cry every time i remember what Roy used to do for us, and now cant.. in fact i'm crying right now.

It's truly depressing. Just when he was hitting the zenith of his career, it all came crashing down. He's been reduced to a decoy; all he does is fake a drive to the hoop and pass off.

He's not Brandon Roy anymore. He's just some guy with that name.

 

[Draco]

I then have to ask is it worth it to this teams future to bother with that process? This causes disruptions with combination's, other guys getting minutes and so forth. If there is an amnesty clause IMO we should use it. I guess if there is no amnesty clause we are stuck with how it is and maybe some "plan" like you outline is tried - though to me that seems wishful thinking and if he plays "less' then how good will his timing/playing ability be?

If we could cut his contract I would do it in an instant. But that option isn't available right now, a decision can be considered once we are at that bridge, today we are stuck with him.

But right now he is playing ~20 mins every single game and its obviously not working, yet he has been effective during his immediate returns from extended periods of rest. For now I'd scale back his minutes to where he is contributing at a higher level. I'd rather see Patty/Rudy/Batum get his extra minutes, he is not helping the team on the floor at his current level of performance.

 

[Sug]

I think he is trying to do too much, if he could accept that his role is going to be limited he would be perfect off the bench. He should focus on posting up, and spot up shooting. He should watch Steve Smith footage and attempts to transform. He has the skill set to be a great post-up guard, and a nice shooter.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

from almost superstar to "there is no cartilage" just happened too fast for us, let alone him, to comprehend...i still catch myself believing he will be back someday, but maybe this really is it....

 

[LittleAlex]

Honestly, I don't begrudge B-Roy the money at all.

He is the reason Portland fans are even following this team these days and has added enough value to the team in ticket and merchandice sales he pretty much earned his current contract.

I just wish it didn't count against Portland's cap.

B-Roy isn't the same player he was.
The odds of him ever getting even half way back to that level seem pretty small right now.

It just sucks.

 

[maxiep]

Honestly, I don't begrudge B-Roy the money at all.

He is the reason Portland fans are even following this team these days and has added enough value to the team in ticket and merchandice sales he pretty much earned his current contract.

I just wish it didn't count against Portland's cap.

B-Roy isn't the same player he was.
The odds of him ever getting even half way back to that level seem pretty small right now.

It just sucks.

Yep. The last person I blame is Roy. He's worked his ass off and made himself the best player he can be. It's not his fault and the Blazers did the right thing rewarding him. He and Kevin Pritchard saved this franchise.

 

[PapaG]

Keep in mind that the travel is less and the rest in the playoffs is of greater length than in the regular season. There are no back-to-backs, and often times there are two or three full days of rest. There is no playing a night game, flying to another city, getting in at 3am, and then having a game the next night.

I don't know if this well help Roy much, but I'm sure it won't hurt him.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I think he is trying to do too much, if he could accept that his role is going to be limited he would be perfect off the bench. He should focus on posting up, and spot up shooting. He should watch Steve Smith footage and attempts to transform. He has the skill set to be a great post-up guard, and a nice shooter.

I agree with you. Roy was one in-and-out jumper from shooting 50% last night. Very few players shoot 50% anymore. Let alone guys coming in cold off the bench. Bench players are inconsistent shooters because of that, and why most players would rather start.

Roy may not be the player he once was, but he is still a good offensive player. Steve Smith is a good comparison. A big 2-guard who started his career playing a lot at the point as well.

Right now the bench has no continuity. They need to get in to a better rhythm. But then so do the starters. They have been playing great at home. Just not on the road. I went to the Dallas Game last night and watched Kidd. You put him or Nash next to Roy and problem solved. Roy is not a PG. But he can still flat out shoot the rock.

But as I said , with guys coming off the bench they sometimes take time to warm up. And then it is too late. They are back on the bench. Not an easy role for a shooter.