Have to trade Wallace now, or risk losing him or Nic this summer

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PA is not going to pay 18mil a year for one position, so one of them is going to be walking this summer. If we want value for either of them, we have to trade now. And I'd much rather trade Gerald than Nic.

Here's a trade that I really like. If we throw some picks at PHX, I'm sure they'll do it just to get Nash on a team with a legit big.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7fbfk3d

Are there any straight up trades we can do with Gerald? Okafor is ideal, but he has 2 years on his contract still, and I still want capspace this summer.
 
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This was a brilliant move by the front office. Portland has a chance to have good cap space this summer, and they know they can match any offer that Nic gets.
 
Shit, I guess I should've read this thread before starting my TRADE FOR STEVE NASH thread with essentially the same idea...

Of course, neither trade is likely to happen, but I do agree with your "trade Wallace now" sentiment. He's driving me crazy with his Bipolar play. I guess we know why Charlotte traded him: he was good enough to keep them from sucking but not good enough to take them out of the "we'll be mediocre forever" trough.

I'm trying to think who would actually come to us asking for Gerald Wallace. It would have to be a team that is close enough to contending to smell it, and who just wants that extra push to get over the top. But most of them seem to be set at SF. OKC? Durant. Miami? LBJ. Celtics? Paul Pierce. Could you stand trading with the Lakers? No, I thought not. Besides, we'd probably have to take MWP back. Dallas is the usual suspect but they have a bazillion crafty old SFs already. Even San Antonio has an expensive old SF in Jefferson and a young prospect in Leonard. I think we may be stuck with him.
 
yuyuza1 said:
Here's a trade that I really like.
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The trade:
Phoenix trades Nash and Lopez for Wallace, Felton and Nolan
Portland trades Camby, Wallace, Felton, Armon and Nolan for Nash, Lopez and Diaw
Charlotte trades Diaw for Camby and Armon

I can see why you like it - I like it too. FOR PORTLAND. It makes very little sense for the other teams, Charlotte in particular - they trade one expiring contract for a MUCH MORE EXPENSIVE expiring contract and a player who has basically shown he's not cut out for the NBA.

If we throw some picks at PHX, I'm sure they'll do it just to get Nash on a team with a legit big.
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Um, so their motivation is altruism for Steve Nash? Well then, why don't they just waive him and allow him to sign where he wants?

Are there any straight up trades we can do with Gerald? Okafor is ideal, but he has 2 years on his contract still, and I still want capspace this summer.
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And I want a pony.
 
Your trade works as well. Only deterrent is Childress' huge contract, though. Like you said, we can't have everything.
 
Trading Wallace would certainly be the smart play and the long range thinking play ... which is exactly why it won't happen.
 
Mediocre Man said:
This was a brilliant move by the front office. Portland has a chance to have good cap space this summer, and they know they can match any offer that Nic gets.
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I agree, and maybe it's because of the compressed schedule, but Wallace just seems ordinary half the time these days. Dangle him in a deadline deal, and if nothing looks good, use his expiring contract to save some cash. Between his contract, Camby, Felton, Crawford, and not having to pay Oden a large contract, Portland should actually have some room under the cap to bring in a legitimate player to play alongside LMA, as well as make a move for a young PG via either the draft or trade.
 
I love the idea of trading Wallace for Nash, but the Suns need an enticement. They aren't going to dump him for just Wallace. Would you?

Phoenix has always struck me as a cheap team. Really, the best we have to offer is that we take off their hands bad long contracts like Childress and Frye by giving up our expiring guys (Felton and Wallace) plus a few young scrubs. Something like this makes sense for both teams for now: http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7u4ccor

Phoenix sheds $55 mil in contracts while taking back $18m. The guys we get back aren't really bad, but they are overpaid. We could definitely use them, though. We'd have vastly superior outside shooting, and much better PG play.

Problem is that it probably destroys our cap room. If you have grand hopes of getting a stud free agent this summer, forget about it.
 
I really don't understand why people want Nash.
Sure, he's been a perennial all-star, but he's over-the-hill.

IMO it would seem a waste of value trading Gerald for a guy that is in decline , and will give you one, two good years tops. Maybe if we're lucky.
 
Why? With the way Wallace is playing (suckage on the road), he is more and more likely to exercise his player option.

We have the right to match any offer Nik gets this summer, and his cap hold will likely be a smaller number than what he is eventually going to get paid, thus not signing him maximizes whatever cap space the Blazers might be able to put together. Sometimes the threat of cap space is enough to induce a sign-and-trade deal with another team.

I don't really see the problem. If Wallace opts out and signs a long deal with another (desperate) team with cap space, we match Nik no matter the cost.

If Wallace exercises his option, we sign Nik this summer, as long as long as the contract isn't too crazy.

Then, next year at the trade deadline, we can trade Wallace, who will be an ending contract. Paul Allen is only paying big bucks for the SF position for 1/2 season.
 
I say we we trade wallace sooner rather than later...
We start Batum at the 3; and bring in a better PG with Wallace trade. Reduce Felton's minutes; and continue w/the Mathews/Crawford rotation.

Kurt and Craig can continue to play backup minutes at 4/5
 
I agree Masbee.

(As much as it hurts) The most sensible option is to trade Wallace for value. . . but just not for Nash.
 
Masbee said:
I don't really see the problem. If Wallace opts out and signs a long deal with another (desperate) team with cap space, we match Nik no matter the cost.
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Then we lose GW for nothing. And considering the # of teams with capspace, this is pretty likely.
 
I don't see the point of trading Wallace to get Nash. Either you trade him to get younger, or you get an older piece to make some sort of a push. Wallace would work well with Nash, moving him for Nash maybe gains us an extra win or two. But overall, does nothing, and we still lose either one in the offseason.

I don't mind the Gordon deal, but as was mentioned, we can just make a huge offer, if we really wanted him.

Like Brooks, had mentioned wanting him included back when Wallace was initially rumored in the Orlando deal. Not a huge fan of the inclusion of Wes. Not that he's the answer to anything specific, but I think he's a reasonably priced role player for us.


As for targets of where Wallace could go, or who might want him....
Orlando, obviously. But not a great deal of players there to want. Too many bleh contracts there for my liking.
I'm hoping Deng's wrist is hurt worse than they are thinking, Wallace could be a great fit there to replace him. Giving them a fairly similar player, and on an expiring deal, so he doesn't kill them with a contract. Would take back Asik or Gibson as big man depth.
Denver could be a decent destination. I'm not 100% sure on how the stretch provision works in the new CBA in regards to non-guaranteed deals. But something involving Harrington and pieces, either their pick, Faried, Mozgov, rights to Wilson Chandler? I dunno. But, I don't want Harrington. His last 2 years are 50% guaranteed. If you cut him after this season, that leaves about 14 million over 3 years. Or, with the stretch, 2 million a year over 7. Which is then usually offset by what another team might sign him for. Depending on how the cap figures worked out, it might be worth it. Alleviates long term salary from them, with money already tied up in Nene, Afflalo and Gallinari, and Lawson coming up soon. I dunno. Just throwing out teams. Wallace over Harrington gives them a better defender, worse shooter. But Afflaflo, Wallace, Gallinari and nene are all decent defenders, and could make them really scary in the playoffs.
Houston is right on the edge of the playoffs. Starting Parsons who has looked decent, but Wallace would be an improvement there. And, doesn't tie up salary.
 
RR7 said:
I don't see the point of trading Wallace to get Nash. Either you trade him to get younger, or you get an older piece to make some sort of a push. Wallace would work well with Nash, moving him for Nash maybe gains us an extra win or two. But overall, does nothing, and we still lose either one in the offseason.

I don't mind the Gordon deal, but as was mentioned, we can just make a huge offer, if we really wanted him.

Like Brooks, had mentioned wanting him included back when Wallace was initially rumored in the Orlando deal. Not a huge fan of the inclusion of Wes. Not that he's the answer to anything specific, but I think he's a reasonably priced role player for us.


As for targets of where Wallace could go, or who might want him....
Orlando, obviously. But not a great deal of players there to want. Too many bleh contracts there for my liking.
I'm hoping Deng's wrist is hurt worse than they are thinking, Wallace could be a great fit there to replace him. Giving them a fairly similar player, and on an expiring deal, so he doesn't kill them with a contract. Would take back Asik or Gibson as big man depth.
Denver could be a decent destination. I'm not 100% sure on how the stretch provision works in the new CBA in regards to non-guaranteed deals. But something involving Harrington and pieces, either their pick, Faried, Mozgov, rights to Wilson Chandler? I dunno. But, I don't want Harrington. His last 2 years are 50% guaranteed. If you cut him after this season, that leaves about 14 million over 3 years. Or, with the stretch, 2 million a year over 7. Which is then usually offset by what another team might sign him for. Depending on how the cap figures worked out, it might be worth it. Alleviates long term salary from them, with money already tied up in Nene, Afflalo and Gallinari, and Lawson coming up soon. I dunno. Just throwing out teams. Wallace over Harrington gives them a better defender, worse shooter. But Afflaflo, Wallace, Gallinari and nene are all decent defenders, and could make them really scary in the playoffs.
Houston is right on the edge of the playoffs. Starting Parsons who has looked decent, but Wallace would be an improvement there. And, doesn't tie up salary.
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Maybe make a huge offer. If Crawful and Wallace both re-up then we don't have a lot of cash to offer. We also have to deal with him maybe falling in love with another locale. It seems like players like it here once they are here, but convincing them of that is an entirely different story
 
The only reason to trade Wallace is for draft picks or young talent at this point. I don't understand the point of trading for Nash. I like the idea of adding Gordon, but I don't think NOH would go for it.

The question is: Are we a playoff team?
 
Mediocre Man said:
Two separate trades because of the CBA

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6tmm69m
This trade is all about getting Gordon, who I believe will be one of the top SG's in the league shortly. NO did not extend him.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=6lk6kdu
This trade is gives NO a ton of cap space and makes the team very attractive to new potential ownership groups.

The overall trade would be Batum, Wallace, Camby, Williams and a pick for Gordon, Okafor, Ariza
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Nice trades dude.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The only reason to trade Wallace is for draft picks or young talent at this point. I don't understand the point of trading for Nash. I like the idea of adding Gordon, but I don't think NOH would go for it.

The question is: Are we a playoff team?
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No, the question is, are we a contending team?
 
Natebishop3 said:
The only reason to trade Wallace is for draft picks or young talent at this point. I don't understand the point of trading for Nash. I like the idea of adding Gordon, but I don't think NOH would go for it.

The question is: Are we a playoff team?
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I think we are a playoff team. We'll play enough home games, and enough weak road ones to make that so, I believe. I think you'd follow up with, does moving Wallace kill that chance, and is it still worth it?
 
Mediocre Man said:
No, the question is, are we a contending team?
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No we're not, unless things change drastically. I think there's a chance that Felton and Crawford start playing like they can, but at this point I don't know if it's worth it. I still think we should be building for two years down the road. Aldridge is establishing himself as a star and all we need to do is add a couple pieces.

If we let Felton, Wallace, Camby, Crawford, etc go... we MIGHT have enough money to offer max deals to Deron and Gordon.
 
Natebishop3 said:
No we're not, unless things change drastically. I think there's a chance that Felton and Crawford start playing like they can, but at this point I don't know if it's worth it. I still think we should be building for two years down the road. Aldridge is establishing himself as a star and all we need to do is add a couple pieces.

If we let Felton, Wallace, Camby, Crawford, etc go... we MIGHT have enough money to offer max deals to Deron and Gordon.
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I am asking out of curiosity, do we have enough players to let go to be able to sign 2 max players or almost max contracts? Who would be left?
 
LA, Wes, Luke, Elliot, Nolan, Kurt. And Nic when we match his offer. And we'd have the vet min, BAE, and whatever picks we make.

We aren't getting Dwight and Deron, however.
 
This team is going to need some talent around Aldridge next year. A lot more talent.

Wesley and Nic are not those guys, and the team still needs a PG.
 
I cant imagine getting both Howard and Deron but I would like to hope for a chance at Deron and another very good or near max player kind of like Gordon. Still unlikely, i just wondered how much we would have to gut the team to do it.
 
To expand, you basically need someone to replace Gerald. As much as other people want to believe, I really don't see Batum as that guy at all.

The difference for the Blazers right now seems to be Gerald. Gerlad plays great, Blazers blow people out. Gerald suffers (or doesn't play), lose to Detroit.

This team obviously needs a 2nd option after LaMarcus after Gerald leaves, and that person isn't currently on the roster.
 
I love the idea of Gordon, but he's got injury problems.

So far in his career, he's missed 4, 20, 26, and 16 games already this year.
 
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