Bogus! HB 2020

[riverman]

The bowl lost integrity and it spilled.

just can't trust bowls anymore...

 

[barfo]

Another big problem is big businesses will use this bill to pollute all they want and use our forests as “carbon offsets”. That’s why so many big businesses are in favor of it.

The cap-and-trade portion only affects big businesses. Or rather, only those that emit more than 25,000 metric tons of greenhouse gasses. That's roughly the equivalent of burning 130 railroad cars of coal. There are only roughly 100 businesses in Oregon that qualify.

Businesses that emit less than that are exempt, as are timber and agriculture. Bob's Pizzaria does not have to buy credits for their wood-fired oven. Nor does Farmer Joe.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Giant companies should be treated differently than small businesses. They can't be expected to pay the same as large companies. It creates an undue burden.

This bill does treat them differently.

barfo

 

[Lanny]

EAT YOUR KALE SON!

I hate kale.
Love turnip greens, mustard greens and collard greens but hate kale and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind other than eat that kale or I'm gonna shoot you in the head.

 

[riverman]

I hate kale.
Love turnip greens, mustard greens and collard greens but hate kale and there's nothing you can say that will change my mind other than eat that kale or I'm gonna shoot you in the head.

I have my kale blended with my smoothie in the morning....you shouldn't eat too much at once...it's a powerful blood thinner...replaces the aspirin but eat too much and you could get nosebleeds...my wife will never learn that...she loves the stuff

 

[Lanny]

I have my kale blended with my smoothie in the morning....you shouldn't eat too much at once...it's a powerful blood thinner...replaces the aspirin but eat too much and you could get nosebleeds...my wife will never learn that...she loves the stuff

I'm on a rat poison blood thinner right now. Can't even take aspirin or advil. Went to the emergency room the other day with uncontrolled bleeding. However, I'm up for my MMA fight. I'm gonna run circles around my opponent with the aid of my walker.
My motto - Don't Tread on Me (but don't hold me to it)

 

[MarAzul]

Well, here's your chance Marzy. Educate me. What's in the bill?

barfo

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Measures/Overview/HB2020#

 

[barfo]

https://olis.leg.state.or.us/liz/2019R1/Measures/Overview/HB2020#

Yeah, I looked at that. I was really asking you opponents what you found objectionable.

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

Cut all day without a recharge

Oh man! I never wanted to run a chainsaw all day! When I do, I want the damn cut done, pronto.
Big dead trees I take down with a big Jonserud. Little poles with a peppy little Echo, which will do most of the bucking into firewood length too.

 

[MarAzul]

Yeah, I looked at that. I was really asking you opponents what you found objectionable.

barfo

The whole damn thing is an unnecessary intrusion. It will make no difference in the rising sea.
Then calling it an emergence is deceitful, dishonest and a lie The only reason for it is to prevent a vote of the people.

 

[barfo]

The whole damn thing is an unnecessary intrusion.

But you'd say that about absolutely any law. Is there anything specifically about this one that you think is unusually bad?

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

But you'd say that about absolutely any law. Is there anything specifically about this one that you think is unusually bad?

barfo

Yes especially by people that do not know what the fuck they are doing and delude themselves as to why.

"Almost three quarters of the revenues expected from the bill would come from increases in transportation fuel prices. The Legislative revenue office expects that to translate to about to about 22 cents a gallon increase at the pump in 2021, when the policy kicks in, increasing to 78 cents a gallon 10 years later and $3 a gallon by 2050."

Now why the hell do this if it makes no difference?
Then this increase in the Highway revenue pisses me off when there is no projection to improve transportation via the highway system which sucks. The highways all run through Portland and they should not. No fix in sight. The money will likely get spent on more rail for Portland. Shit, that is a disgrace as it is. Checkout the Max down town, no traffic on the 6th ave but for the max with the derelicts sheltering from the weather.

This bill should be implemented by the city of Portland not the State where it will be increasingly difficult to deal with as time progresses.

This bill is a prime example of what the hell is wrong with Oregon version of representative government. It allows the tyranny of the majority located in Portland to screw up the entire state without regard to the well being beyond your fucking urban growth boundary. The Senate should be representatives from each county, two each instead of gerrymandered by population boundaries.

I could go into what fools I think those that want to fight climate change with more taxes are but I won't. Those people work on a belief system rather than facts and logic. No point in it.

 

[barfo]

"Almost three quarters of the revenues expected from the bill would come from increases in transportation fuel prices. The Legislative revenue office expects that to translate to about to about 22 cents a gallon increase at the pump in 2021, when the policy kicks in, increasing to 78 cents a gallon 10 years later and $3 a gallon by 2050."

Now why the hell do this if it makes no difference?

If it truly makes no difference in behavior, i.e. people keep driving petro-burning vehicles the same amount in 2050 as they do now, then the difference it will make is that we'll have a lot more money for badly needed road repairs. If on the other hand it reduces consumption, then that will be the difference.

Then this increase in the Highway revenue pisses me off when there is no projection to improve transportation via the highway system which sucks. The highways all run through Portland and they should not. No fix in sight.

Hey, it was your generation that didn't have the foresight to put the highways in the right place. That's on you, not us whippersnappers.

The money will likely get spent on more rail for Portland. Shit, that is a disgrace as it is. Checkout the Max down town, no traffic on the 6th ave but for the max with the derelicts sheltering from the weather.

"The money might get spent on something other than what it is designated for" is not specific to this issue.

This bill should be implemented by the city of Portland not the State where it will be increasingly difficult to deal with as time progresses.

This bill is a prime example of what the hell is wrong with Oregon version of representative government. It allows the tyranny of the majority located in Portland to screw up the entire state without regard to the well being beyond your fucking urban growth boundary. The Senate should be representatives from each county, two each instead of gerrymandered by population boundaries.

You prefer tyranny of the minority, as long as it is your minority.

I could go into what fools I think those that want to fight climate change with more taxes are but I won't. Those people work on a belief system rather than facts and logic. No point in it.

So you'd prefer regulation? We can just outlaw internal combustion engines, if you'd rather. Seems gentler to discourage their use via disincentives. Or maybe you have another alternative?

barfo

 

[MarAzul]

We can just outlaw internal combustion engines, if you'd rather

Yes you could, might be ignorant enough to do it too.

 

[MarAzul]

No chance this project gets done with the carbon bill looming.
https://www.opb.org/news/article/jordan-cove-natural-gas-lng-hearings-oregon/

Then we have liars to contend with to boot.

"Kullberg said impact of a plane into these storage tanks would likely cause an explosion, potentially putting the surrounding community in danger.
“Unlikely event, but pretty high risk,” she said."

She obviously doesn't know jack about Jordan Cove. On the North side of Coos bay, nothing there to blow up. Just a silted in cove.

Ah well the Governor is set against too.

No wonder the rest of the state is becoming more difficult to live in. We have let the people in the North Willamette valley run the whole state!

https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-county-health-rankings/
https://www.opb.org/news/article/jordan-cove-natural-gas-lng-hearings-oregon/