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<-=*PdX*=-> said:
Honest question on if they hire Becky: would we be allowed to criticize her coaching without instantly being labeled sexist? I'm all for her being the coach, I can just see a bunch of outside noise always surrounding it.
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ignore the mob lol
 
<-=*PdX*=-> said:
Honest question on if they hire Becky: would we be allowed to criticize her coaching without instantly being labeled sexist? I'm all for her being the coach, I can just see a bunch of outside noise always surrounding it.
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In this forum you would be free to criticize her coaching like we've allowed other coaches to be criticized. But if you use sexist BS in your criticisms of her and/or her coaching that won't be allowed.
 
...maybe Olshey's left field unnamed candidate is going to be Coach K (that's secretly why he just retired) :biglaugh:
 
calvin natt said:
Here is what I just got:

- huge ego
- doesn’t work - considered lazy by almost everyone
- players tune her out when it’s her scout
- people internally laugh that she’s a HC candidate

I 100% trust this person and he’s very very well connected to Spurs.
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so, to summarize: the Spurs, who are considered to be a model franchise, have now, for 7 or 8 years, employed a lazy assistant coach that the players all tune out, and who is considered a laughing-stock around the organization

is she working for free or something?

am I the only one who finds that a little hard to believe? Not saying it's false, just that it really strains credibility because of what we know about the Spurs and Popovich
 
wizenheimer said:
so, to summarize: the Spurs, who are considered to be a model franchise, have now, for 7 or 8 years, employed a lazy assistant coach that the players all tune out, and who is considered a laughing-stock around the organization

is she working for free or something?

am I the only one who finds that a little hard to believe? Not saying it's false, just that it really strains credibility because of what we know about the Spurs and Popovich
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It was my first question. “Trapped”, “stuck” with her, and hard to fire were what I was told. I was told much more but there is no way anyone here would believe it considering how doubtful people are just of this. The other things I heard and again, fully believe 100%, are far more egregious.
 
calvin natt said:
It was my first question. “Trapped”, “stuck” with her, and hard to fire were what I was told. I was told much more but there is no way anyone here would believe it considering how doubtful people are just of this. The other things I heard and again, fully believe 100%, are far more egregious.
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so you're doubling down on the already harsh hit....ok

how is it that the Spurs are trapped and stuck with her? I hope it isn't going be some stuff about not being able to fire a woman
 
calvin natt said:
It was my first question. “Trapped”, “stuck” with her, and hard to fire were what I was told. I was told much more but there is no way anyone here would believe it considering how doubtful people are just of this. The other things I heard and again, fully believe 100%, are far more egregious.
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She’s sleeping with all the players?
 
The truth comes our. @calvin natt has been a deep cover Spurs mole put into place years ago so that he would be in a position to start a misinformation campaign against Becky Hammon in the off chance that she were to interview for a job here.
 
I posted this in 2014 when she was hired.

jlprk said:
With all the super-experienced female basketball coaches, why did Popovich hire a young cute one? Being younger than Duncan, and only 4 months older than Ginobili, can't help.

A grayhair would not be self-conscious around the players, having long since made the transitions Hammon must now surmount. An old bat would be MUCH smoother.

I was hoping Hammon's gay, but no, she actually was romantically involved with Tony Parker. What a terrible hire. Keep her out of the locker room!

https://terezowens.com/tony-parker-dating-wnbas-becky-hammon/
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calvin natt said:
It was my first question. “Trapped”, “stuck” with her, and hard to fire were what I was told. I was told much more but there is no way anyone here would believe it considering how doubtful people are just of this. The other things I heard and again, fully believe 100%, are far more egregious.
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spurs brushed the Parker sleeping with Barry's wife shit under the rug fairly easily. just as they did the drama with Eva Longoria, or Bruce Bowen's dirty defense, etc.

and really no one outside of central texas cares about that franchise as is.

if they wanted to get rid of becky, they could do a drive by firing and hardly anyone would notice.
 
<-=*PdX*=-> said:
Honest question on if they hire Becky: would we be allowed to criticize her coaching without instantly being labeled sexist? I'm all for her being the coach, I can just see a bunch of outside noise always surrounding it.
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what age are you living in? do you work with any women?

i had 4 levels of bosses above me, all female. would constantly bitch about them
 
AmirIcon said:
Grainy footage in black and white or your source doesn't exist. I'll trust the consensus and Damian Lillard's experience with her before your anonymous source.
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Oof. Big mistake. I'll take calvin natt's sources over anything else I hear or read except official announcements.
 
calvin natt said:
Here is what I just got:

- huge ego
- doesn’t work - considered lazy by almost everyone
- players tune her out when it’s her scout
- people internally laugh that she’s a HC candidate

I 100% trust this person and he’s very very well connected to Spurs.
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Appreciate you sharing, cal!
 
crandc said:
No more like bullshit. I profoundly distrust those who claim to have secret unsourced information no one else knows.
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Sorry. calvin natt has shared too many things that nobody "unconnected" would know. and they always turn out to be legit. I literally can't remember even one BS story from the guy in what must be 15-20 years.

Doesn't matter to me if you trust him, but there is no doubt in my mind about the validity of these claims.
 
Excerpts for those too lazy:

Another argument that I’ve seen tossed around — maybe even sillier than the previous one — is that Becky rose to her current position because having her on staff was “good p.r.” for the Spurs.

What?

Seriously: What?

No. We’re talking about the NBA here — a business where there’s a lot of money on the line, and little patience for mediocrity. Also we’re talking about the San Antonio Spurs, one of the most successful NBA franchises of this century: a system that has produced David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Manu Ginóbili, Tony Parker — and that’s just the Hall of Famers. This is a team that won 50+ games for 18-straight seasons, and five championships in the last 20 years.

Would you really expect Coach Pop to develop his staff any differently than he develops his players? Of course not.

Pop’s only standard for doing anything is whether it’ll help us in just one way … and it isn’t getting good p.r.

It’s getting W’s. And getting those W’s The Spurs Way.



 
Phatguysrule said:
I don't trust Pau as much as I trust cal.
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what incentive does Pau have to lie? that's ridiculous. Pau is a hundred millionaire living a dream life. he has no reason to pen this kinda article about someone who apparently is laughed at internally and has no chops.

What I would like to do, though, is knock down a few of the silly arguments and talking points against Coach Hammon’s candidacy — and the larger idea of a female NBA head coach — that I’ve seen floating around.

The argument that I see most often is thankfully the one that’s easiest to disprove: It’s this idea that, at the absolute highest level of basketball, a woman isn’t capable of coaching men. “Yeah, female coaches are fine coaching women’s college basketball, or the WNBA,” the argument goes. “But the NBA? The NBA is different.”

First, I’ve just gotta tell you: If you’re making that argument to anyone who’s actually played any high-level basketball, you’re going to seem really ignorant. But I also have a simple response to it — which is that I’ve been in the NBA for 17 years. I’ve won two championships … I’ve played with some of the best players of this generation … and I’ve played under two of the sharpest minds in the history of sports, in Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich. And I’m telling you: Becky Hammon can coach. I’m not saying she can coach pretty well. I’m not saying she can coach enough to get by. I’m not saying she can coach almost at the level of the NBA’s male coaches. I’m saying: Becky Hammon can coach NBA basketball. Period.

I’ll tell you a quick story to illustrate my point. This year, in a practice a few months back, I was drilling the pick-and-roll with Dejounte Murray. It was a standard drill, just the two of us alone at one basket: I would set the screen and either pop out for the jumper or roll to the lane. If I popped, Dejounte would hit me with a chest pass. If I rolled, a bounce pass. Like I said, a very standard drill — we’ll do this a million times.

But what I remember about this particular drill is that, at some point during it, Coach Hammon stopped us mid-motion. Coaches Hammon, Borrego and Messina walk over, and Becky says to Dejounte, “D.J., O.K. — your bounce pass? It’s too low. You’ve got to hit Pau exactly where he needs it. Run that again.” We then talk some more as a group about how I need the ball a little more precise, with a little more zip, so I could have a better chance to finish the action at the rim. And then we repeat the drill a few times, alternating from the left and right sides of court. Of course, Dejounte being Dejounte, he figures it out fast — and pretty soon we’re flying through. But something about that moment has just always stuck with me. Just, like … the level of knowledge of the game that Becky showed, you know what I mean?

She noticed a small detail out of the corner of her eye — and then instantly located both the problem and the solution. And not only that, but we were also able to communicate with each other in such a way that we got the result that we needed. It’s a good reminder, I’d say, of the importance of communication between team members — especially at the NBA level. I don’t think I caught another stray pass the rest of the season.

 


seems like something you wouldn't do if you didn't respect her.
 
More https://theathletic.com/2333024/2021/03/08/becky-hammon-san-antonio-spurs-nba-coach/

Andre Miller, a point guard in the NBA for 17 seasons, played his last year in the league in San Antonio in 2016. He’d known Hammon, the star point guard, the sharp-shooting 3-point threat, the perennial All-Star, but Miller never knew Hammon the coach. No one did until they were signed by the Spurs. From the outset, Miller knew that Hammon was going to be able to direct a game from the sideline just like she did through the prism of being a point guard: obsessed with the details, not wanting to concede an inch. Miller remembers his time working with her and said she sees the game from a coaching perspective through the lens of a point guard.

“Oh she’s going to definitely be the first female NBA head coach,” he said. “It’s just a matter of time. I wouldn’t be surprised that when Pop does decide to retire that she’d be next in line. It’s a perfect situation. She knows the community, she knows management, and she’s reliable and she expects it. It’s easy to make that transition. She’s primed and ready.” (For the record, several of Popovich’s former assistants and players have gone on to be NBA coaches and two are general managers.)


 
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illmatic99 said:
what incentive does Pau have to lie? that's ridiculous. Pau is a hundred millionaire living a dream life. he has no reason to pen this kinda article about someone who apparently is laughed at internally and has no chops.

What I would like to do, though, is knock down a few of the silly arguments and talking points against Coach Hammon’s candidacy — and the larger idea of a female NBA head coach — that I’ve seen floating around.

The argument that I see most often is thankfully the one that’s easiest to disprove: It’s this idea that, at the absolute highest level of basketball, a woman isn’t capable of coaching men. “Yeah, female coaches are fine coaching women’s college basketball, or the WNBA,” the argument goes. “But the NBA? The NBA is different.”

First, I’ve just gotta tell you: If you’re making that argument to anyone who’s actually played any high-level basketball, you’re going to seem really ignorant. But I also have a simple response to it — which is that I’ve been in the NBA for 17 years. I’ve won two championships … I’ve played with some of the best players of this generation … and I’ve played under two of the sharpest minds in the history of sports, in Phil Jackson and Gregg Popovich. And I’m telling you: Becky Hammon can coach. I’m not saying she can coach pretty well. I’m not saying she can coach enough to get by. I’m not saying she can coach almost at the level of the NBA’s male coaches. I’m saying: Becky Hammon can coach NBA basketball. Period.

I’ll tell you a quick story to illustrate my point. This year, in a practice a few months back, I was drilling the pick-and-roll with Dejounte Murray. It was a standard drill, just the two of us alone at one basket: I would set the screen and either pop out for the jumper or roll to the lane. If I popped, Dejounte would hit me with a chest pass. If I rolled, a bounce pass. Like I said, a very standard drill — we’ll do this a million times.

But what I remember about this particular drill is that, at some point during it, Coach Hammon stopped us mid-motion. Coaches Hammon, Borrego and Messina walk over, and Becky says to Dejounte, “D.J., O.K. — your bounce pass? It’s too low. You’ve got to hit Pau exactly where he needs it. Run that again.” We then talk some more as a group about how I need the ball a little more precise, with a little more zip, so I could have a better chance to finish the action at the rim. And then we repeat the drill a few times, alternating from the left and right sides of court. Of course, Dejounte being Dejounte, he figures it out fast — and pretty soon we’re flying through. But something about that moment has just always stuck with me. Just, like … the level of knowledge of the game that Becky showed, you know what I mean?

She noticed a small detail out of the corner of her eye — and then instantly located both the problem and the solution. And not only that, but we were also able to communicate with each other in such a way that we got the result that we needed. It’s a good reminder, I’d say, of the importance of communication between team members — especially at the NBA level. I don’t think I caught another stray pass the rest of the season.
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I'm not saying he's lying. I'm sure he does respect her.

I'm saying I trust calvin natt's info more than I trust anything Pau perceives or believes. Pau has never shared correct inside info with me before.

Calvin natt has done exactly that, many times, over nearly two decades.

You're not going to be able to find a link that makes that fact any less true.
 
https://www.usatoday.com/story/spor...coaches-becky-hammon-breakthrough/4141408001/

NBA players on a team with a woman’s assistant said they would have no problem with a female head coach. San Antonio guard DeMar DeRozan said, "When she speaks we are all ears."

Across social media, NBA players, including Steph Curry, Ja Morant and Andre Drummond, took note of Hammon coaching after Popovich's ejection.

“Becky’s in a spot now where she’s in a position of power,” Spurs guard Patty Mills told USA TODAY Sports. “She’s able to direct guys on what to do and that all comes from work ethic and what she does behind the scenes and getting herself and our team ready for games. She is an NBA coach who knows her (expletive) and gets it done.”


"Her knowledge of the game, the ins-and-outs of the game, is the reason why she’s in the position she is," Spurs guard Derrick White said. "It’s the reason why she will just keep growing and growing and eventually become a head coach."


 
Phatguysrule said:
I'm not saying he's lying. I'm sure he does respect her.

I'm saying I trust calvin natt's info more than I trust anything Pau perceives or believes. Pau has never shared correct inside info with me before.

Calvin natt has done exactly that, many times, over nearly two decades.

You're not going to be able to find a link that makes that fact any less true.
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i just posted links of about a half dozen players and coaches IN THE SPURS ORG going out of their way speak about her credentials as head coach.

sorry, while i appreciate the rumors, they don't hold as much weight to me as actual quotes from real people (who frankly have 0 incentive to go our of their way to speak so positively). Read what @calvin natt posted about players ignoring her and read the quotes I've bolded. which do you believe?

I'm still all in on Becky. not swayed by anonymous rumors, especially those that are so much in contrast to everything people said in real life.
 
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