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Which blazer roster would you rather have?????

Group A

PG - Miller/Blake
SG - Roy/Rudy/Bayless
SF - Batum/Webster/Cunningham
PF - La/Outlaw/Howard
C- Oden/Pryz/Pendy


OR... GROUP B


PG - Miller/?
SG - Roy/Wes/Rudy/Bayless
SF - Batum/Cunningham/Wes?
PF - LA/Camby (a bit mis leading since we have no idea about our centers)
C - Oden/Pryz/Pendy

Its not even close IMO. Group A running away. Infact its scary how ugly group B is. Looks like a team almost rebuilding.
 
I like how Group B, Camby as a backup PF is misleading, because we have no idea about our Cs. So ok, make him the starting C. That puts Pendergraph as the starting C in group A. So I agree, it's not even close. If we're relying on the health of our Cs for both, then it's B easily.
 
In response to that question... what exactly did the lineup A get us?
 
why do you put Dante at SF over Wes, when Dante hasn't played a minute of NBA SF in his life and Wes is the backup 2/3?

Andre averaged 37 mpg his entire career until last year, when he averaged 30 b/c Nate wanted Blake and his 11 PER in the game more (and it was sub-10 for much of the season, including when he was the "starting PG"). There are 12 minutes of backup PG play available, and I think much of that will be taken up by a Batum/Roy/Wesley trio at the 1/2/3.

I'd rather have Camby at the 5/4 than Outlaw at the 4. Why don't you include Babbitt at the backup 3/4?

Sure, your roster A is probably better than roster B. But if you compare them both with the Blazers' actual roster, I'll take C.
 
So you're saying the Blazers should have baked the cake longer?

Funny thing with trolls. They flip-flop just to try and stir things up. I see right through it.
 
I'll also add, I prefer the flexibility of Group B. I, as well as many, hated Nate's thought of having 2 5 man units, going 10 deep, etc. It's not the way most teams operate. But, in order to not do that, you need players who are flexible. There was a good post on Blazers Edge about this. Our bench just wasn't flexible enough to shorten our rotation truly. Outlaw seemed to be th eonly player off the bench who would rotate through 2 positions, SF or PF. Martell wasa straight 3. Rudy a 2. Blake a 1. Joel or Oden only a 5. Now, obviously, with health, Camby can easily backup both the 4 and 5 effectively. Bayless could backup the 1 and 2. Matthews the 2 and 3. Cunningham the 3 and 4. That flexibility allows for different lineups and combinations, and more fluidity, hopefully, to the subsitituions.
 
no im saying if oden and pryz stayed healthy... we had a better team last year.

webster > babbit/wes/duante

blake > ?

wes is a 2 not a 3
 
It not even close? Really? That's the same starting five for both groups. As far as positional depth goes, not that you've got the depth chart right, but you've got the same C rotation with upgrades at backup PF and SG and downgrades at backup PG and SF.

It's pretty even IMO, as far as a top 9 I'd say we're improved replacing Blake/Webster/Outlaw with Wes/Bayless/Camby.
 
well, I'd take Bayless over Blake. Matthews over Webster. And Camby over Outlaw. Top 3 players from the bench on each team.
 
blake is no doubt the best backup pg on roster.

wes is a sg.

camby is needed at center with our fragile duo. should oden ever recover... camby is better then outlaw. its a big SHOULD!
 
And if Oden never recovers, your lineup A has Pendy starting at C.
 
Wes is a SG. Same as Rudy. Rudy got 25 minutes a night. Yet Roy played more than 23. WOW. Fucking A. How the hell did that work.
 
Injuries. There were lots of nights where Roy played zero minutes.

And Wes guards wings and points. Kind of like Batum does. Webster just guarded wings. Rudy doesn't really "guard" anyone.
 
camby is needed at center with our fragile duo. should oden ever recover... camby is better then outlaw. its a big SHOULD!

If Oden recovers, Camby can back up both center and power forward. An Oden/Aldridge/Camby front court rotation is tremendous, if healthy.

Wes Matthews is at least as good a player as Webster.

The essential comparison comes down to Camby/Matthews versus Outlaw/Blake/Webster. I'd take Camby and Matthews, as both bring much more defense. Outlaw's offense is lost, but it wasn't terribly efficient scoring and Camby's rebounding more than makes up for it.

I wouldn't mind Blake as a backup point, but I think the team is plenty deep in guards. No pure point guards outside of Miller, but with Roy handling the ball so much, they don't need a pure point guard for the minutes that Miller doesn't play.
 
If Oden starts this year I'll be surprised.

Good thing 'KPee' traded spare parts for a good center in Camby so we're not all in a panic right now about the C spot.
 
you mean, if Greg is the starting C for one game you'd be surprised? Or if he plays in the first game of the season you'll be surprised?

Oden should start as soon as he's the best C on the roster. That could be his first cleared game back. Or his 10th. But I'll be shocked and amazed if he doesn't start a majority of the games he plays in.
 
I'd take team B. I don't think that Blake or Outlaw were particularly helpful, and Webster never improved the way I'd hoped.

Camby is better than any of the three of them, and Matthews probably is, too.

Ed O.
 
You all know, of course, that everyone who would take team B is only "HCP-ing it", and that only those who would take team A are realists. At least, I think that's how I think MIXUM threads work...
 
I'd take team B. I don't think that Blake or Outlaw were particularly helpful, and Webster never improved the way I'd hoped.

Camby is better than any of the three of them, and Matthews probably is, too.

Ed O.

Camby is old, but still a very good player. I'd rather have him than Blake and Outlaw - at least this season with the addition of Matthews. Matthews isn't going to be playing much PF like Outlaw did, but you've got Camby for that. Instead, you get Matthews' 3pt shooting, which is about as good as Blake's. I think Matthews is good enough to take all the minutes Webster would have gotten as well.

Here's hoping this season is something of a mirror image of last season. Like:

1) Miller's already up to speed instead of taking a few months to get comfy.
2) Oden started out strong and got hurt. This year he starts out hurting a little (we hope) and could be in game shape for the playoffs, if not sooner. Last year the Blazers limped into the playoffs.
3) Same as #2, but for Joel.
 
Hmm, go figure. Actual answers and solid replies are given, and he disappears from the thread. Apparently didn't get the incendiary reaction he desired, and ignored the topic after a bit. Odd. Almost something.....trollish about that. That couldn't be.
 
Hmm, go figure. Actual answers and solid replies are given, and he disappears from the thread. Apparently didn't get the incendiary reaction he desired, and ignored the topic after a bit. Odd. Almost something.....trollish about that. That couldn't be.

Yeah, he's just MIX-ING it up.
 
After seeing Matthews live at fanfest I think I can safely say that we won't be missing Martell's contributions much this year -- the guy can flat play, so in that sense that I think group B represents a stronger 8 man rotation, even though A appears to be more balanced and "deeper."

I'd much rather see a 3 or 4 guard rotation with Roy, Miller, Matthews and Jerryd sprinkled in with Nic, LMA, Camby and Dante soaking up the front-court minutes ... eventually add Pryzbilla or Oden (hopefully?) and I think this team is going to be a tough out. Certainly there's still a kludge of guards, but it's not a back-breaker with players apparently settling into roles much quicker this year than last.
 
It'll be funny this year if Andre Miller misses huge chunks of games and Greg Oden doesn't. In fact, if that's the trade off, I'd be ok with it.
 
It'll be funny this year if Andre Miller misses huge chunks of games and Greg Oden doesn't. In fact, if that's the trade off, I'd be ok with it.

Oh sorry, I thought this thread was about saying random pointless shit.
 
After seeing the scrimmage last night and thinking about it more I've changed my mind from thinking it was pretty even with a slight edge to Group B, to thinking group B is actually significantly better.

A depth chart like was used in the OP is a nice organization tool but obviously doesn't represent what a real rotation looks like, especially with so many versatile guys on the roster. I think to evaluate which team is superior you have to break it down more to facets of the game depending on what you think the rotation players bring to the table.

First you have figure who the ideal rotation guys are in each roster. Group A (representing last season) is fairly clear, 10 guys Brandon/LA/Greg/Andre/Nic/Blake/Rudy/Martell/Travis/Pryz were slated to see pretty regular minutes in an ideal injury free rotation (obviously never the case last year but the OP's question leaves out the consideration of injuries). Group B is a bit harder because we're speculating, but right now MY ideal injury free rotation guys are Brandon/LA/Greg/Andre/Nic/Marcus/Wes/Bayless/Pryz (same ideal starters, totally different bench except Pryz, expecting Rudy to be traded before or soon after the season begins). So in my eyes we're swapping Blake/Rudy/Webs/Outlaw for Bayless/Wes/Marcus.

After breaking down the roster to who you actually think should play then you can decide which facets of game you think are important to winning and compare which lineups you think are better at each.

My opinion on the top 10 most important parts of the game(not in order), and which squad has the upper hand:

1. Scoring overall(starters)- Same starters, but development alone should give a slight edge to B
2. Scoring overall(bench)- I think a 1-2 bench scoring punch of Wes/Bayless is superior to our primarily jumpshot taking bench from last year (remember Jerryd's playoffs?). B
3. 3pt shooting- Group A, Wes is as good as Rudy/Webs, but unless Bayless has greatly improved then Blake and Travis were much better.
4. Penetration/Slashing- Group B, Wes looks like he has a better handle than any of our previous perimeter bench players and Bayless > Blake
5. Inside Scoring- Even, Starters are the same until LMA actually shows us something down low, Camby isn't really an upgrade because he's more of an elbow shooter than an inside guy.
6. Playmaking/Passing- Starters for B are a little better because of Nic's development. Bench is pretty even and probably towards B again if Wes is as good at initiating the offense as the players/coaches have been saying all camp; Blake being slightly better than Bayless, Wes being talked about as being as good as Rudy and clearly better than Webs, and Camby(a pretty good passer for a bigman) being a big upgrade over the anti-playmaking Outlaw. B
7. Rebounding- B, do I need to explain?
8. Interior defense- B, same
9. Perimeter D- Edge to B, Blake v Bayless is kind of a wash, but if Wes is as advertised than he'll be a bit better than Martell and clearly superior to Rudy/Trav.
10. BB IQ- Outlaw v Camby gives this to B no matter what.

B-8, A-1, Even-1
Some of the ones I have a slight edge to B I could see being even in some eyes, but I really can't think of anything outside of 3pt shooting to give rotation A a clear advantage.
 
Group C:

Miller | Bayless | Williams
Roy | Wes | Rudy
Batum | Wes | Babbitt
Aldridge | Pendergraph
Oden | Camby | Przybilla

looks fine to me...

I sure wouldn't mind a really good, young PG, but I'm fine going to battle with this lineup.

I think Wes is a wildcard this year. He seems to have the potential to be really good. I think this team is better than last year's team (Healthy that is).
 

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