Herman Cain, why not? (1 Viewer)

[3RA1N1AC]

In SimCity, you can turn off disasters so that you never have any.

 

[barfo]

It seems that the 9-9-9 plan is getting a well-deserved thrashing in the press now.

It will be interesting to see whether, when presented with evidence that Cain's plan will raise taxes on most americans, drive jobs overseas, and depress consumer spending, republican voters drop Cain like a hot "potatoe" or whether they will dismiss it as 'lamestream media lies' and raise him on their shoulders.

Either reaction should be entertaining as hell, so I'm going to be happy either way. I only wish we had more republican candidates. I'm afraid we will run out by Thanksgiving at the rate they are imploding.

barfo

 

[barfo]

Sure, he just thinks he's Moses.

Well, it seems that Cain isn't the only contenda' who thinks he's Moses:

Anita Perry reflected on the "rough month" her husband, Rick Perry, has endured on the campaign trail... She likened her husband's decision to run to encountering a "burning bush," a reference to the Biblical story of Moses receiving a sign from God.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

Ok, first you say



That certainly sounds like you are saying that the employees would get the full benefit of the FICA tax elimination.
Now you are saying the employers would use it to hire more workers. That might be true (although probably not, they'll probably just pocket the difference), but it certainly doesn't help reduce the tax rate paid by the existing workers.

barfo

I think the workers would get the full 15% back. The cost of paying the employee doesn't change.

 

[jlprk]

I saw Cain on TV Thursday night. As usual, when a reporter asked him a question about a detail in his tax plan, Cain acted angry and said he wouldn't answer questions.

Here is information on Mark Block, who supposedly invented the tax plan (I think he stole it from Sim City): Cain was a radio show host who was noticed by the Koch-funded lobbying group Americans for Prosperity. They paid him to travel around in 2005-06 to make speeches to people who might start local chapters. Hired to lead Wisconsin's chapter was Mark Block, rebounding from a campaign scandal. Block is now Cain's campaign manager and probably plays Sim City. Many top Cain staffers come from Americans for Prosperity, the Koch lobbying outfit which now has its own presidential candidate.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/storie...HERS?SITE=PASUN&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT

 

[Haakzilla]

...turn 9-9-9 upside down and there is another reason why not!

 

[Haakzilla]

...here is yet another reason why not!

Pizza Magnate Herman Cain Has Extensive Ties To Powerful Koch Group

Read More --> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...s-prosperity-2012-gop-campaign_n_1013661.html

 

[jlprk]

And Cain has credited Rich Lowrie, a Cleveland businessman who served on AFP's board of advisors from 2005 to 2008, with being a key economic adviser and with helping to develop his plan to cut the corporate tax rate to 9 percent, impose a national sales tax of 9 percent and set a flat income tax rate of 9 percent

This makes it worse. Lowrie, not Block, supposedly invented the tax plan. Lowrie isn't connected to Cain's campaigh like Block, his campaign manager. Lowrie's just a leader of Americans for Prosperity. So Cain is simply representing the AFP's national program, including their tax plan. He's not his own man.

 

[MARIS61]

Well, then, both parties are hair-brained. We're doomed!!

All parties are hairbrained, and corrupt.

No party can fully represent the views of more than a single person.

 

[MARIS61]

Math challenged?

If companies don't give the employees their contribution to FICA, etc., they'll be able to hire 10% more employees. Even if they hire 5% more, that's more taxpayers. And less ObamaUnemployed.

Nonsense.

Any honest person who has ever run a business will tell you the number of employees hired is solely dependent on demand for their products/services.

Wages, taxes, and insurance have absolutely nothing to do with how many positions a company hires.

 

[Denny Crane]

Nonsense.

Any honest person who has ever run a business will tell you the number of employees hired is solely dependent on demand for their products/services.

Wages, taxes, and insurance have absolutely nothing to do with how many positions a company hires.

Simply not true (as usual), Maris.

You think GM might hire a bunch of people to build and sell their electric car before there's demand for it?

15% of a company's spending should be R&D, which has nothing to do with demand.

 

[MARIS61]

Simply not true (as usual), Maris.

You think GM might hire a bunch of people to build and sell their electric car before there's demand for it?

Sure that's the example you want to run with?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Chapter_11_reorganization

 

[ABM]

Ch...ch....ch...ch....ch...changes.

http://news.yahoo.com/cain-tweaks-9-9-9-tax-plan-allow-151322301.html

 

[barfo]

"We simply chose not to talk about this piece earlier," he told reporters. "We didn't want to put it all out there at once."

har de har har.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I looked at his WWW site a couple weeks ago and it says that 9-9-9 is the first step toward implementing the FAIR Tax plan.

http://www.hermancain.com/999plan

Phase 2 – The Fair Tax

Amidst a backdrop of the economic renewal created by the 9-9-9 Plan, I will begin the process of educating the American people on the benefits of continuing the next step to the Fair Tax.

• Ultimately replaces individual and corporate income taxes
• Ends the IRS as we know it and repeals the 16th Amendment

 

[Denny Crane]

The Fair Tax:

http://www.fairtax.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=8351


Rebate to all households each month the federal sales tax they pay on basic necessities, up to an independently determined level of spending (a.k.a., the poverty level, as determined by the Department of Health and Human Services), which removes the burden of federal taxation on the poor and makes the FairTax Plan as progressive as the current tax code,

 

[huevonkiller]

The electrified fence thing is his real gaffe. I don't like the 999 plan but you people defending the current tax code are naive.

 

[Haakzilla]

...Cain is a phony!

 

[3RA1N1AC]

thats racist!

 

[barfo]

From 1996, when he left the pizza company, until 1999, Mr. Cain ran the National Restaurant Association, a once-sleepy trade group that he transformed into a lobbying powerhouse. He allied himself closely with cigarette makers fighting restaurant smoking bans, spoke out against lowering blood-alcohol limits as a way to prevent drunken driving, fought an increase in the minimum wage and opposed a patients’ bill of rights — all in keeping with the interests of the industry he represented.

Basically, he'll pimp himself out to anyone who will pay him. You really can't get much lower than lobbying on behalf of the cigarette companies.

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

Basically, he'll pimp himself out to anyone who will pay him. You really can't get much lower than lobbying on behalf of the cigarette companies.

barfo

"He allied himself closely with cigarette makers fighting restaurant smoking bans" Yeah you might want to highlight the whole sentence next time.

Damn barfo something is seriously wrong with you. Why can't I smoke in a fucking restaurant? Wtf?

barfo you're naive for thinking the minimum wage helps unemployment rate, which it doesn't. Raising the minimum wage hurts the poorest people in the country.

 

[barfo]

"He allied himself closely with cigarette makers fighting restaurant smoking bans" Yeah you might want to quote the whole sentence next time.

I did quote the whole sentence, silly. It's right there in my post.

Damn barfo something is seriously wrong with you.

Probably it's lung cancer from secondhand smoke.

Why can't I smoke in a fucking restaurant? Wtf?

Same reason you can't shoot guns in a fucking restaurant. Wtf?

barfo you're also foolish for thinking the minimum wage helps unemployment rate, which it doesn't.

And you are foolish for making assumptions that have no basis in reality. I've never suggested that the minimum wage helps the unemployment rate.

Raising the minimum wage hurts the poorest people in the country.

I'm sure you have some advanced metrics to prove that. Maybe it's related to the volume of the commerce clause.

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

I did quote the whole sentence, silly. It's right there in my post.

Sorry famz, I caught that mistake and edited before you even posted.

Probably it's lung cancer from secondhand smoke.

Nah. It is called private property and smoking-friendly zones.

Same reason you can't shoot guns in a fucking restaurant. Wtf?

Well then don't go to the fucking restaurant and let the restaurant go out of business. Who the fuck are you?

And you are foolish for making assumptions that have no basis in reality. I've never suggested that the minimum wage helps the unemployment rate.

Yeah bruh, then why are you complaining about unemployment rate?

I'm sure you have some advanced metrics to prove that. Maybe it's related to the volume of the commerce clause.

barfo

Yeah the KKK was the biggest supporter of the minimum wage. That's a bad analysis on your part.

 

[barfo]

Sorry loser, I caught that mistake and edited before you even posted.

Fuck off.


No D-bag, it is called private property and smoking-friendly zones. Stfu now.



Well then don't go to the fucking restaurant and let the restaurant go out of business. Who the fuck are you?



Yeah D-bag, then why are you bitching about unemployment rate?



Yeah the KKK was the biggest supporter of the minimum wage, you're spewing ignorance.

My, apparently your Saturday is not going very well, crankypants. Good luck with whatever your problems are.

barfo

 

[huevonkiller]

My, apparently your Saturday is not going very well, crankypants. Good luck with whatever your problems are.

barfo

That's a fair criticism, alright I'll play nice. I edited some of that out and I'll be the bigger man.

Just don't tempt me in the future, because I am in ecstasy whenever I take shots at you.

 

[3RA1N1AC]

sigh

what a fucking joke

 

[barfo]

"Raise your hand if you have a favorite number. Keep it raised if you believe this number to be your 'lucky' number. Now keep it up only if you think this number has a literal, meaningful, ongoing impact on your life."

"Finally, if your hand is still up, ask yourself this: If you were running for president and wrote a campaign book, would you devote an entire chapter to this number, explaining how its frequent appearance in your life signals that you are meant to win and explaining that, though you are 'not a devout numerologist,' this number clearly keeps popping up 'more than coincidentally'?"

"If that hand is still raised, it probably means that you are Herman Cain."

barfo

 

[speeds]

Cain seems to be a pretty interesting guy but he showed the other night that tête-à-tête Romney gets him tangled up. Romney is a sneering dick and I think the only nominee that can take him to task in a debate is Paul.

 

[huevonkiller]

Cain seems to be a pretty interesting guy but he showed the other night that tête-à-tête Romney gets him tangled up. Romney is a sneering dick and I think the only nominee that can take him to task in a debate is Paul.

For whatever reason Paul is being a soft weenie against Romney. Paul needs to step up his attacks on him.

 

[speeds]

Paul has no chance at the nomination so I don't think he will go into berserker mode. Not really his style anyway.