Herman Cain wins GOP Florida straw poll

[ABM]

On the plus side, simplification of the tax code is a good thing.

barfo

To me, in and of itself, that would help to solve a lot of these issues.

 

[barfo]

To me, in and of itself, that would help to solve a lot of these issues.

What are 'these issues'?

barfo

 

[ABM]

What are 'these issues'?

barfo

A poor taxation system. I'm a big proponent of the fair tax proposal.

 

[julius]

A poor taxation system. I'm a big proponent of the fair tax proposal.

but you're a proponent of a flat tax?

 

[ABM]

but you're a proponent of a flat tax?

Fair or flat would be an improvement over what's currently in place.

 

[jlprk]

It's a pipe dream. The tax system will not be simplified. As I have written (which makes it so), tax simplification is physically impossible, unless the economic system itself is simplified into socialism. The tax system must have a method to tax each and every method that individuals use to make money, or they will put their money into the untaxed methods. Duh.

Therefore, taxes must be as complex as the economic system they tax. As someone who has been a tax preparer in CPA firms, I assure you that the tax system will never be simplified. Bet your untaxed mortgage interest house on it.

 

[huevonkiller]

It's a pipe dream. The tax system will not be simplified. As I have written (which makes it so), tax simplification is physically impossible, unless the economic system itself is simplified into socialism. The tax system must have a method to tax each and every method that individuals use to make money, or they will put their money into the untaxed methods. Duh.

Therefore, taxes must be as complex as the economic system they tax. As someone who has been a tax preparer in CPA firms, I assure you that the tax system will never be simplified. Bet your untaxed mortgage interest house on it.

This is actually a good point, even if you believe in a fair tax there are ways around it.

The key is to focus on decreasing spending and regulations, which we can control. Also this notion that we shouldn't tax the poor at all is false, poor people blow their money on stupid stuff. A fair tax is able to identify the kind of poor people that buy gold chains, lots of weed, and then go bankrupt.

 

[ABM]

An e-mail that was sent to me. Interesting....

What you may not know about Herman Cain who is running for president....

He’s not a career politician (in fact he has never held political office). He’s known as a pizza guy, but there’s a lot more to him. He’s also a computer guy, a banker guy, and a rocket scientist guy.

Here’s his bio:

Bachelor’s degree in Mathematics.

Master’s degree in Computer Science.

Mathematician for the Navy, where he worked on missile ballistics (making him a rocket scientist).

Computer systems analyst for Coca-Cola.

VP of Corporate Data Systems and Services for Pillsbury (this is the top of the ladder in the computer world, being in charge of information systems for a major corporation).

All achieved before reaching the age of 35. Since he reached the top of the information systems world, he changed careers!

Business Manager. Took charge of Pillsbury’s 400 Burger King restaurants in the Philadelphia area, which were the company’s poorest performers in the country. Spent the first nine months learning the business from the ground up, cooking hamburger and yes, cleaning toilets. After three years he had turned them into the company’s best performers.

Godfather’s Pizza CEO. Was asked by Pillsbury to take charge of their Godfather’s Pizza chain (which was on the verge of bankruptcy). He made it profitable in 14 months.

In 1988 he led a buyout of the Godfather’s Pizza chain from Pillsbury. He was now the owner of a restaurant chain. Again he reached the top of the ladder of another industry.

He was also chairman of the National Restaurant Association during this time. This is a group that interacts with government on behalf of the restaurant industry, and it gave him political experience from the non-politician side.

Having reached the top of a second industry, he changed careers again!

Adviser to the Federal Reserve System. Herman Cain went to work for the Federal Reserve Banking System advising them on how monetary policy changes would affect American businesses.

Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system.

After reaching the top of the banking industry, he changed careers for a fourth time!

Writer and public speaker. He then started to write and speak on leadership. His books include Speak as a Leader, CEO of Self, Leadership is Common
Sense, and They Think You’re Stupid.

Radio Host. Around 2007—after a remarkable 40 year career—he started hosting a radio show on WSB in Atlanta (the largest talk radio station in the country).

He did all this starting from rock bottom (his father was a chauffeur and his mother was a maid). When you add up his accomplishments in his life—including reaching the top of three unrelated industries: information systems, business management, and banking—

Herman Cain may have the most impressive resume of anyone that has run for the presidency in the last half century.

 

[Denny Crane]

GHW Bush had the most impressive resume, IMO. Chairman of RNC, congressman, ambassador to China, ambassador to UN, VP.

Didn't make him a good president.

 

[MARIS61]

Government regulation of business for protection from graft. There's an oxymoron.

True, but it's a direct by-product from conservatives demanding that government be run like a business.

 

[MARIS61]

The ultimate problem with govt. provided health care is that you're effectively taking from doctors. You're taking their labor for prices they can't negotiate freely.

Not true.

They are free to unionize and negotiate their wages, as indeed is the case in nearly all socialized healthcare systems.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not true.

They are free to unionize and negotiate their wages, as indeed is the case in nearly all socialized healthcare systems.

Unionizing takes from doctors because they can't negotiate (individually) freely.

 

[barfo]

Unionizing takes from doctors because they can't negotiate (individually) freely.

Neither can policemen. So what?

barfo

 

[SlyPokerDog]

GHW Bush had the most impressive resume, IMO. Chairman of RNC, congressman, ambassador to China, ambassador to UN, VP.

Didn't make him a good president.

You forgot head of the CIA.

 

[MARIS61]

Listen people, to what I say!!
I say everybody's got to have their day!!

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My first concert, July 14, 1967. The supporting act was The Who, on their first US tour.

The Who were well received with their manic enthusiasm and showmanship, playing early hits like Boris the Spider and My Generation, with Townshend shattering a Telecaster on the stage and Moon throwing drumsticks into the audience over and over during a solo without missing a beat.

The Glass Palace was filled with teenagers, and it seemed 2/3rds of them were 13 yo girls. When HH came out it was like suddenly being in the film A Hard Day's Night. The screaming was deafening and actually drowned out the band for the first several songs. About 30 security guards with arms interlocked in front of the stage were mowed down at least twice by herds of little girls trying to get to Peter Noone. The girl behind me fainted and spilled her drink on my head.

This song was always a favorite of mine because of the rhythm guitar sound which intrigued me when I heard it on the radio.

When I saw them Keith Hopwood had a hankie stuffed under the strings of his Rickenbacker (as in this video) to mute them:

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Later I learned (via Wiki) the song was recorded with him playing a Gretsch Country Gentleman using the mute lever they have.

 

[MARIS61]

You forgot head of the CIA.

Which common sense says should make him ineligible for the Presidency.

 

[jlprk]

Unionizing takes from doctors because they can't negotiate (individually) freely.

So you oppose health insurance companies negotiating rates with doctors?

The Glass Palace was filled with teenagers, and it seemed 2/3rds of them were 13 yo girls. When HH came out it was like suddenly being in the film A Hard Day's Night. The screaming was deafening and actually drowned out the band for the first several songs.

The greatest music of all time was the British invasion of 1964 to about 1968. Herman's Hermits, Dave Clark 5, Gerry & the Pacemakers, etc. aren't considered "serious" by rock blowhards who hate "bubblegum."

In a theater in Winnipeg where you could pay for one showing and sit all day watching all showings (like all theaters then), I watched Hard Day's Night with girls screaming all around. Next summer, 1965, I watched Help. No one screamed. This was in tough macho cool Southern California, not semi-British colony Canada. The conservative cultural difference was very sharp.

 

[Denny Crane]

There's more than one insurance company. Doctors don't have to work with any specific company.

 

[Haakzilla]

Adviser to the Federal Reserve System. Herman Cain went to work for the Federal Reserve Banking System advising them on how monetary policy changes would affect American businesses.

Chairman of the Kansas City Federal Reserve Bank. He worked his way up to the chairmanship of a regional Federal Reserve bank. This is only one step below the chairmanship of the entire Federal Reserve System (the top banking position in the country). This position allowed him to see how monetary policy is made from the inside, and understand the political forces that impact the monetary system.

...Herman Cain is in bed with the Fed, STAY AWAY!