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I cant say that I understand those of you who are Trumpians. I respect that you stand by your convictions. I will continue to stand by mine unturned. I hope as a citizen of this country that Trump doesn't royally screw things up. If he does will you all still stand by him? Where will your convictions be then?
 
Chris Craig said:
I cant say that I understand those of you who are Trumpians. I respect that you stand by your convictions. I will continue to stand by mine unturned. I hope as a citizen of this country that Trump doesn't royally screw things up. If he does will you all still stand by him? Where will your convictions be then?
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Hey Chris, no sense asking serial questions that won't hang together. If he really screws things up, why would you ask about standing by him? So what the heck do want with the convictions?
Stand by him? Hell, turn on him with a vengeance. But I do not expect any harm like Obama brought me.

I became pissed at Obama, and I mean pissed not just miffed, when I lost my healthcare I had for 50 years, I have a Democrat friend that lost the same healthcare and he was just as pissed as me.

That sort of how it works.
 
Chris Craig said:
I cant say that I understand those of you who are Trumpians. I respect that you stand by your convictions. I will continue to stand by mine unturned. I hope as a citizen of this country that Trump doesn't royally screw things up. If he does will you all still stand by him? Where will your convictions be then?
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If Trump doesn't try and push the promises of his first 100 days, I will be the first to drag him through the coals.

Not many Obama supporters did that when Obama damaged this country when he was president. But whatever man. I'm sure you think he was the cat's pajamas right?
 
magnifier661 said:
If Trump doesn't try and push the promises of his first 100 days, I will be the first to drag him through the coals.

Not many Obama supporters did that when Obama damaged this country when he was president. But whatever man. I'm sure you think he was the cat's pajamas right?
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I don't see Obama as a bad president. He really didn't get to do much of anything as president because of the congress. Obamacare, the thing he is mostly known for, was a good idea, that turned into an ill conceived result, as it was written horribly. I guess the greatest success of his administration was taking out Osama Bin Laden.
 
MarAzul said:
Hey Chris, no sense asking serial questions that won't hang together. If he really screws things up, why would you ask about standing by him? So what the heck do want with the convictions?
Stand by him? Hell, turn on him with a vengeance. But I do not expect any harm like Obama brought me.

I became pissed at Obama, and I mean pissed not just miffed, when I lost my healthcare I had for 50 years, I have a Democrat friend that lost the same healthcare and he was just as pissed as me.

That sort of how it works.
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You don't expect Trump to do any harm? Look I was being sincere. I am tired the conservatives on this forum treating the liberals like we are cornflakes and vice versa. I am truly trying to understand. I know Hillary did a lot of questionable things, and thats part of the reason she isn't president. I guess we reap what we sow. But, Trump at least, as he presents himself in his actions and words, comes off as a horrible human being, and I couldn't bring myself to vote for him. (I wish Sanders had won the nomination, he would be president) And I understand on the other side of the fence, a lot of people couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary, who think the same or similar about as I and other liberals think about Trump. I just don't understand why anyone can believe he would make a good president. With his choices for his cabinet, he is already making horrible decisions before even being inaugurated. Just two choices that were both bad.
 
Chris Craig said:
You don't expect Trump to do any harm? Look I was being sincere. I am tired the conservatives on this forum treating the liberals like we are cornflakes and vice versa. I am truly trying to understand. I know Hillary did a lot of questionable things, and thats part of the reason she isn't president. I guess we reap what we sow. But, Trump at least, as he presents himself in his actions and words, comes off as a horrible human being, and I couldn't bring myself to vote for him. (I wish Sanders had won the nomination, he would be president) And I understand on the other side of the fence, a lot of people couldn't bring themselves to vote for Hillary, who think the same or similar about as I and other liberals think about Trump. I just don't understand why anyone can believe he would make a good president. With his choices for his cabinet, he is already making horrible decisions before even being inaugurated. Just two choices that were both bad.
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Cry me a river. You called putting Trump as your name at Starbucks, "hate." You've been "the sky is falling" throughout all these threads. A snow flake is still a snow flake, even if you try and put on some imaginary "tolerance" label on yourself.
 
Denny Crane said:
https://reason.com/archives/2016/11/20/america-called-bullshit-on-saint-hillary

Ever since Donald Trump won the presidential election, all eyes, and wringing hands, have been on the white blob who voted for him. These "loud, illiterate and credulous people," as a sap at Salon brands them, think on an "emotional level." Bill Moyers warned that ours is a "dark age of unreason," in which "low information" folks are lining up behind "The Trump Emotion Machine." Andrew Sullivan said Trump supporters relate to him as a "cult leader fused with the idea of the nation."

What's funny about this is not simply that it's the biggest chattering-class hissy fit of the 21st century so far — and chattering-class hissy fits are always funny. It's that whatever you think of Trump (I'm not a fan) or his supporters (I think they're mostly normal, good people), the fact is they've got nothing on the Clinton cult when it comes to creepy, pious worship of a politician.

Clinton was described in the subhead of a piece for Lena Dunham's Lenny Letter. "Maybe [Clinton] is more than a president," gushed writer Virginia Heffernan. "Maybe she is an idea, a world-historical heroine, light itself," Nothing this nutty has been said by any of Trump's media fanboys.

"Hillary is Athena," Heffernan continued, adding that "Hillary did everything right in this campaign… She cannot be faulted, criticized, or analyzed for even one more second."

That's a key cry of the Cult of Hillary (as it is among followers of L. Ron Hubbard or devotees of Christ): our gal is beyond criticism, beyond the sober and technical analysis of mere humans. Michael Moore, in his movie Trumpland, looked out at his audience and, with voice breaking, said: "Maybe Hillary could be our Pope Francis."
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What was truly creepy about Hillary's cult of supporters was the way they went around scrawling their pagan imagery on kids' playgrounds. Thank Christ we won't have to see any more of THAT!

 
Chris Craig said:
I don't see Obama as a bad president. He really didn't get to do much of anything as president because of the congress. Obamacare, the thing he is mostly known for, was a good idea, that turned into an ill conceived result, as it was written horribly. I guess the greatest success of his administration was taking out Osama Bin Laden.
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God you sound like my friend. Blaming a failed, shitty, divisive leader on Congress. Give it a fucking rest. If you can't persuade a group of lawmakers your changes are good for a country then perhaps it's time you found a new job.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
What was truly creepy about Hillary's cult of supporters was the way they went around scrawling their pagan imagery on kids' playgrounds. Thank Christ we won't have to see any more of THAT!

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What was creepy is she's a crook and people supported her no matter what the evidence showed.
 
Those who think liberals should 'get over it' should also consider getting over it themselves. The wicked witch is dead. Time to get on down that yellow brick road and see what's behind the curtain.

barfo
 
Chris Craig said:
I don't see Obama as a bad president. He really didn't get to do much of anything as president because of the congress. Obamacare, the thing he is mostly known for, was a good idea, that turned into an ill conceived result, as it was written horribly. I guess the greatest success of his administration was taking out Osama Bin Laden.
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I wonder if there was any correlation between his shitty healthcare plan being horribly written, and congress not letting him just go around doing whatever the fuck he wanted?
 
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Chris Craig said:
I just don't understand why anyone can believe he would make a good president.
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Well I could launch into a lengthy explanation but I have stuff to do today. So to be terse, get prepared to observe, which is best done with mouth held tight or even right.
 
Nate said:
I wonder if there was any correlation between his shitty healthcare plan being horribly written, and congress not letting him just go around doing whatever the fuck he wanted?
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Uh, congress writes the laws. The president signs them.

barfo
 
Chris Craig said:
Obamacare, the thing he is mostly known for, was a good idea
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Come on now! The evidence is in view, the results are right in front of you. It was a really poor idea, naively conceived, and stuffed on the American people.
Harm has been done that can not be reversed with only a few in the population benefiting from the debacle.
 
Fascinating thread. Great idea by the OP. Read every page, every word.

I still think Trump is the ultimate con-man and his supporters were duped. Fortunately, we'll get to find out with some level of certainty one way or another.

Side note: I'm not at all buying that Trump supporters are the ones doing the Nazi/Racist etc graffiti. Not one bit. The racist graffiti at Reed college just screamed false flag to me. I would imagine that is the majority of graffiti people are seeing. It's kind of sad, actually. I'd like to be able to stand with one side on this, but both sides of the American political spectrum are full of "diplorables." I make no distinction between them and refuse to join them.
 
barfo said:
Uh, congress writes the laws. The president signs them.

barfo
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And when the president wants to pass a law, where does he turn to for support?
 
If you care to read it, there's a lot to learn from it.

http://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...r-four-years-of-nonstop-freakoutrage-n2248518

It’s important to understand why liberals are so angry and so scared. They are angry because they believe they have a moral right to command us, apparently bestowed by Gaia or #Science or having gone to Yale, and we are irredeemably deplorable for not submitting to their benevolent dictatorship.

(This is how people could vote for Trump. There's only so much smug condescension that people will put up with.)

They are scared because they fear we will wage the same kind of campaign of petty (and not so petty) oppression, intimidation, and bullying that they intended to wage upon us.

And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by a unicorn.

I was considering being magnanimous in our total victory, but that lasted until a bunch of loving, tolerant, peaceful anti-Trump demonstrators jumped my friend and hurt his dog. So now, their pain is my sugar, and I say let’s spend the next four years having our coffee Sudden Impact-style.
 
anyone thinking liberals are fun loving, peaceful hippies with flowers and unicorns is way out of touch with modern times....not all liberals are happy folk or passive folk..welcome to the diversity of the human race......news flash....some really aggressive people don't like Trump but they're not always the Green Party members.....John McCain hates Trump.....so do I....but I at least try to not say all conservatives are bigoted racist women beaters and pedophiles....if we discuss the state of our nation or the world....all that schoolyard bullshit doesn't add anything to the conversation. I'm anti war but not anti gun. Trump is a loose cannon and I just hope he doesn't fuck up the world just because he can
 
Denny Crane said:
Look in the mirror.
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Wouldn't it just be a better conversation if you just read the article and commented on it? Too little of that in political threads. If you want to use contentious baiting whenever an opposing view is posted, you basically are proving the articles point Denny......look in the mirror? Rasta didn't write that article....we could all just cut and paste our reading preferences here but I use the library for that purpose....I thought it was interesting comparing political allegiance to religious affiliation. You're either going to hell or heaven....right....I don't buy that at all but firmly believe in your right to do just that.
 
Denny Crane said:
If you care to read it, there's a lot to learn from it.

http://townhall.com/columnists/kurt...r-four-years-of-nonstop-freakoutrage-n2248518

It’s important to understand why liberals are so angry and so scared. They are angry because they believe they have a moral right to command us, apparently bestowed by Gaia or #Science or having gone to Yale, and we are irredeemably deplorable for not submitting to their benevolent dictatorship.

(This is how people could vote for Trump. There's only so much smug condescension that people will put up with.)

They are scared because they fear we will wage the same kind of campaign of petty (and not so petty) oppression, intimidation, and bullying that they intended to wage upon us.

And their fear tastes like sunshine puked up by a unicorn.

I was considering being magnanimous in our total victory, but that lasted until a bunch of loving, tolerant, peaceful anti-Trump demonstrators jumped my friend and hurt his dog. So now, their pain is my sugar, and I say let’s spend the next four years having our coffee Sudden Impact-style.
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I read the article and personally it's poorly written and filled with sophomoric references that I found shallow and lacking any sense of knowledge...Obama is self centered, Hillary is a liar...liberals are manipulating your life....Trump scares them, etc.........yawnfest
 
riverman said:
Wouldn't it just be a better conversation if you just read the article and commented on it? Too little of that in political threads. If you want to use contentious baiting whenever an opposing view is posted, you basically are proving the articles point Denny......look in the mirror? Rasta didn't write that article....we could all just cut and paste our reading preferences here but I use the library for that purpose....I thought it was interesting comparing political allegiance to religious affiliation. You're either going to hell or heaven....right....I don't buy that at all but firmly believe in your right to do just that.
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I'm going to he'll in a hand basket
 
riverman said:
Wouldn't it just be a better conversation if you just read the article and commented on it? Too little of that in political threads. If you want to use contentious baiting whenever an opposing view is posted, you basically are proving the articles point Denny......look in the mirror? Rasta didn't write that article....we could all just cut and paste our reading preferences here but I use the library for that purpose....I thought it was interesting comparing political allegiance to religious affiliation. You're either going to hell or heaven....right....I don't buy that at all but firmly believe in your right to do just that.
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"Just gonna leave this here" is a passive aggressive accusation made by a holier than thou hypocrite type of POST

The article does prove how ridiculous these conversations really are. Nobody ever changes their mind anyway.
 
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