Hollinger Chat: right now

[Nikolokolus]

kaman

The guy they desperately want to trade?

 

[cdub503]

The guy they desperately want to trade?

not saying its perfect but they shed a ton of salary with us taking okafor.... but I'm sure they could get a way better deal if they wanted... just depends on what they want to do

 

[magnifier661]

The guy they desperately want to trade?

Then why not use Kaman instead of Okafor?

PDX: Felton, Matthews, Babbit, G. Wall - PHX: Nash and Childress - NO - Kaman and 2 second rounders?

 

[Nikolokolus]

Then why not use Kaman instead of Okafor?

PDX: Felton, Matthews, Babbit, G. Wall - PHX: Nash and Childress - NO - Kaman and 2 second rounders?

In terms of value it's the closest to realistic I've seen you post on the matter, but Phoenix takes on more money for this year and is presumably stuck with more guaranteed money in the future than they'd like (and not much sex appeal or 'future' to sell to their fans).

The most realistic trade for Nash is going to have to include some young prospects (and no Babbitt and Wesley do not qualify) this is about outbidding other teams.

 

[magnifier661]

In terms of value it's the closest to realistic I've seen you post on the matter, but Phoenix takes on more money for this year and is presumably stuck with more guaranteed money in the future than they'd like (and not much sex appeal or 'future' to sell to their fans).

The most realistic trade for Nash is going to have to include some young prospects (and no Babbitt and Wesley do not qualify) this is about outbidding other teams.

I think Portland won't trade Aldridge or Batum; but pretty much everyone else is open. What would you think could work with that being the option?

 

[magnifier661]

How about this one?

GW Gets: Felton, Matthews and Frye - PDX gets: Nash, Childress and Biedrins - PHX gets: Ellis and G. Wall

 

[Nikolokolus]

How about this one?

GW Gets: Felton, Matthews and Frye - PDX gets: Nash, Childress and Biedrins - PHX gets: Ellis and G. Wall

I think Golden State balks.

 

[magnifier661]

I think Golden State balks.

They may, but they would actually have a great defender SG with size (not ellis), a point guard that is serviceable (Felton) and Frye is all about the perimeter (Golden State loves that). If Felton walks this summer; they shed 8 mil in contracts too.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Let's say it's Portland and Phoenix as primary trade partners. The Blazers need to pull in a second team with a first round pick they're willing to part with (which would be conveyed to Phoenix) To me that says that Portland needs to send the team sacrificing their future first a prospect that has upside (Williams or Batum probably).

So maybe a palatable deal would be to send Felton and Wallace (plus a Blazers future second rounder and a third unnamed team's first) to Phoenix in exchange for Nash and Childress and the Blazers would then trade a guy like Williams (if he's desirable to other teams?) to a third team for their pick. Predicting who that third team might be is impossible to guess as a fan.

 

[B-Roy]

Let's say it's Portland and Phoenix as primary trade partners. The Blazers need to pull in a second team with a first round pick they're willing to part with (which would be conveyed to Phoenix) To me that says that Portland needs to send the team sacrificing their future first a prospect that has upside (Williams or Batum probably).

So maybe a palatable deal would be to send Felton and Wallace (plus a Blazers future second rounder and a third unnamed team's first) to Phoenix in exchange for Nash and Childress and the Blazers would then trade a guy like Williams (if he's desirable to other teams?) to a third team for their pick. Predicting who that third team might be is impossible to guess as a fan.

Are you kidding me, that's awful for Portland. I think you really underestimate how bad Childress's contract is.

 

[Nikolokolus]

Are you kidding me, that's awful for Portland. I think you really underestimate how bad Childress's contract is.

I'm talking about leverage. If Nash is the coveted piece and the Blazers aren't willing to part with their most valuable assets, then Phoenix is in the driver's seat ... especially because there are potentially a half-dozen (or more?) other teams with offers of their own. IMO, getting Nash is going to hurt, especially with how reticent the Suns have been to even discuss the possibility of trading him.

FYI: I'm not really a believer in the whole "trading for Nash will solve our woes" narrative.

 

[RR7]

Let's say it's Portland and Phoenix as primary trade partners. The Blazers need to pull in a second team with a first round pick they're willing to part with (which would be conveyed to Phoenix) To me that says that Portland needs to send the team sacrificing their future first a prospect that has upside (Williams or Batum probably).

So maybe a palatable deal would be to send Felton and Wallace (plus a Blazers future second rounder and a third unnamed team's first) to Phoenix in exchange for Nash and Childress and the Blazers would then trade a guy like Williams (if he's desirable to other teams?) to a third team for their pick. Predicting who that third team might be is impossible to guess as a fan.

Felton to the Lakers for Odom TPE and the better of Dallas or their 1st.
Elliot or Nolan, or if necessary, both, preferably Babbit and 1, hehe, as well as the 1st to Phx
Nash to Portland.
Phx gets a pick roughly around 20, but potentially higher, an ok wing prospect in williams and saves themselves some cash when figuring they save on remainder of Nash's contract. Lakers get a PG they seem to be looking for, Portland gets Nash.

 

[magnifier661]

Felton to the Lakers for Odom TPE and the better of Dallas or their 1st.
Elliot or Nolan, or if necessary, both, preferably Babbit and 1, hehe, as well as the 1st to Phx
Nash to Portland.
Phx gets a pick roughly around 20, but potentially higher, an ok wing prospect in williams and saves themselves some cash when figuring they save on remainder of Nash's contract. Lakers get a PG they seem to be looking for, Portland gets Nash.

That would be awesome! Lol