Hollinger on CP3 and Portland

[hasoos]

If you don't think Roy and CP3 can play together go back and watch the film of them in the all star game together 2 years ago. They dominated that game, all star defense be damned, they actually played some, got out into the open court, and overall, I thought did great.

 

[B-Roy]

Unbelievable, I want Paul, but people using the all-star game as evidence that Roy/Paul would work well together is just ridiculous.

 

[BoomChakaLaka]

Unbelievable, I want Paul, but people using the all-star game as evidence that Roy/Paul would work well together is just ridiculous.

Just sarcastic? Or are you a troll? Tried to go back and find an intelligent comment,etc. But only find constent sarcasm!

What is it? Do you wear purple and piss to bed?

 

[bigbailes]

Unbelievable, I want Paul, but people using the all-star game as evidence that Roy/Paul would work well together is just ridiculous.

+1, hahahahaha.....please show me a game where NO ONE plays defense as a good measuring stick of how well paul/roy would play together. could it work, sure it could, but this isn't a guarenteed title like some on here think it would be. i'm all for getting cp3 and keeping roy, especially if we could find a new coach or at least find a new offense for our current coach.

 

[Idog1976]

I would trade almost anyone on our team to get Paul. But I would like to keep Roy and LMA because I think LMA would become an absolute BEAST with Paul (so would Oden, but Paul wouldn't keep Oden healthy).

I'd do a JPEC/Oden/Miller/Bayless/Batum/Rudy/future 1st and take back a contract or two to get Chris Paul. That instantly makes us #2 in the west and a title contender, IMO.

Paul
Roy
Babbitt (excellent shooter which would be greatly needed with Paul and Roy)
LMA
Camby

and then fill out the roster with some vets and hard working players/etc... BAD ASS TEAM! That would make all the heartache we've experienced lately completely worth it and then some.

We would be crushed by good defensive teams in the playoffs without a low post presence they would pack the lane. In two years when Camby is done our now weak defense would be utter garbage.

Trade Oden or Batum not both.

 

[Idog1976]

Roy wouldn't put up the same numbers with Paul there, but... so what?

Is the point to maximize Roy's output or to have the best team?

I'll take 95% of current Chris Paul and 80% of current Brandon Roy and somehow live with all the winning we'll do as a result.

Ed O.

This^^^^^^.

 

[gatorpops]

Roy actually ran too!

 

[Biggie]

No thanks. I don't think id want to see Roy being traded.

 

[Minstrel]

I would have to disagree. ISO or not Roy does not make those around him "worse". Rewatch the last game in LA before Brandon got hurt.

I never said Roy made others worse. I said his talents might not be fully leveraged next to Paul.

Roy wouldn't put up the same numbers with Paul there, but... so what?

Is the point to maximize Roy's output or to have the best team?

Bit of a strawman. It's not about Roy's numbers...it's about maximizing the talent you have. That's what leads to the best team.

I'll take 95% of current Chris Paul and 80% of current Brandon Roy and somehow live with all the winning we'll do as a result.

If it's Paul and nothing or Paul and Roy, I agree. I'll take a 95% Paul and an 80% Roy over a 100% Paul and a 0% Roy. The question is, would Portland be better off trading Roy for a similar caliber talent who might be closer to 95-100% next to Paul.

Acquiring Paul and cutting Roy isn't what anyone was talking about.

 

[handiman]

If you don't think Roy and CP3 can play together go back and watch the film of them in the all star game together 2 years ago. They dominated that game, all star defense be damned, they actually played some, got out into the open court, and overall, I thought did great.

No doubt, but my question is, will Roy be happy deferring that much in a non all-star setting?

 

[Pinwheel1]

I never said Roy made others worse. I said his talents might not be fully leveraged next to Paul.

I realize that. I was responding to someone who did.

 

[mgb]

The same thing was said about Roy playing with Miller,,,,but they played together just fine. They'll only get better playing together and the same would be with Paul.

Also the comment that Oden packs it in and is bad for Roy is ridiculous. Lets see teams double team Roy with Oden healthy and playing. He'll only take pressure off of Roy.

I would love us to get Paul and keep Roy. Just give us more weapons for other teams to have to deal with.

 

[SheedSoNasty]

A lot of people, including myself, thought that Andre Miller was going to turn Oden and Aldridge into a super stud because of all the alley-oops they would be receiving and how Miller would set everyone else up so perfectly.

I know that Andre Miller is no Chris Paul, but would Paul really have that kind of impact that so many thought Miller would have with his passing? I'm sure that if it didn't, you'd have to start looking at the coaching staff and wondering what in the hell is going on.

 

[handiman]

The same thing was said about Roy playing with Miller,,,,but they played together just fine.

Major disagree. Only one played well at any given time, as far as I can recall.

 

[Driew]

A lot of people, including myself, thought that Andre Miller was going to turn Oden and Aldridge into a super stud because of all the alley-oops they would be receiving and how Miller would set everyone else up so perfectly.

I know that Andre Miller is no Chris Paul, but would Paul really have that kind of impact that so many thought Miller would have with his passing? I'm sure that if it didn't, you'd have to start looking at the coaching staff and wondering what in the hell is going on.

I'd like to see what Miller could do with a healthy roster. But CP3 has a 3 point shot that would have helped in the Playoffs when the Suns were just playing off of Miller etc.

 

[Minstrel]

I realize that. I was responding to someone who did.

Okay. You quoted me, so I thought you were responding to me.

 

[Ed O]

Bit of a strawman. It's not about Roy's numbers...it's about maximizing the talent you have. That's what leads to the best team.

Actually, it's not. It's about getting as much talent as you can, whether you're maximizing it or not.

If it's Paul and nothing or Paul and Roy, I agree. I'll take a 95% Paul and an 80% Roy over a 100% Paul and a 0% Roy. The question is, would Portland be better off trading Roy for a similar caliber talent who might be closer to 95-100% next to Paul.

If that's a yes or no question, then the answer seems to be CLEARLY "yes"... but I don't think that's likely given his contract status and the relative dearth of players in the NBA that are at his level.

Ed O.

 

[Minstrel]

Actually, it's not. It's about getting as much talent as you can, whether you're maximizing it or not.

In the real world, I mean. Technically you're right, but no team ever amasses enough talent to win a title without maximizing (or coming close to maximizing) what they have, as far as I'm concerned. Having one of your major stars at only 80% is an inefficiency that would severely hurt your chances to win a title.

If that's a yes or no question, then the answer seems to be CLEARLY "yes"... but I don't think that's likely given his contract status and the relative dearth of players in the NBA that are at his level.

It may not be likely, but neither is getting a player the caliber of Paul without giving up Roy. It's simply a consideration one must keep in mind and see whether it is possible or becomes possible.

 

[maxiep]

In the end, basketball comes down to matchups. We lost the Suns series because with all our injuries, the Suns had too many options for us to cover.

It's not Roy at 80%; it's Roy picking his points to dominate his opponent. With a lineup that includes Paul, Roy, Aldridge and Oden you can't double everyone. Someone will have an open shot or an advantage over your opponent. Furthermore, a smart PG finds the open man or the man with an advantage.