Hollywood Wouldn't Back Lucas Film About Tuskegee Airmen Due to All Black Cast

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All I know is I see the previews for the movie on TV and it looks like a fantastic movie.
 
Sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Lucas's last four films were horrendous (SW 1-3 & Crystal Skull)?
 
Star Wars III got a 7.8/10 on IMDB by voters.
 
Certainly looks corny, but I plan on going to see it.
 
"It’s very patriotic, very jingoistic, very old-fashioned, corny..." -George Lucas


Previews definitely give this vibe, which makes me want to see it. I'm all about the Ghost Protocols and stuff, but sometimes I enjoy the simple, corny stuff as well.
 
Star Wars III got a 7.8/10 on IMDB by voters.
Yeah, it's terrible.

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the movie looks absolutely horrible. a bunch of one liners, CGI and they had a dubstep soundtrack to the movie? its like he went back to the future into the past and rewrote history.
 
The movie looks completely horrible! They are using modern slang for a time that was in the 40's. No one talked like that.
 
Nick Sabin took his team to watch this movie the night before they ceremoniously dismantled the LSU Tigers. He cited many (inspirational) quotes from the movie during his post-game interviews.
 
YOU GOT GOT SON!
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Exactly! I know war vets that would take serious offense of the representation of that war. I guess the patroit in me, and being surrounded by a family of vets turned me off to something as simple as "slang"
 
I remember way back when, when they were going to re-make that Shogun series using an all Black cast. Yep, they were gonna call it Shonuf. Somehow didn't fly, though. ;)
 
I wonder if they get medals at the end of the movie, LMFAO suddenly busts on the scene and they shuffle during the ending credits.
 
Sure it has nothing to do with the fact that Lucas's last four films were horrendous (SW 1-3 & Crystal Skull)?

Since when do studios care more about putting out good movies then making money? If that were the truth, those horrible Transformer movies wouldn't have been made, or those shitty Twilight movies.

Hate on the SW1-3 all you want, they made money.
 
Aren't the newer Star Was movies coming back out in theaters in 3d? I'm sure all the people that completely despise them will be first in line to go see them. :MARIS61:
 
Since when do studios care more about putting out good movies then making money? If that were the truth, those horrible Transformer movies wouldn't have been made, or those shitty Twilight movies.

Hate on the SW1-3 all you want, they made money.
All of those were guaranteed to be huge at the box-office both stateside and internationally no matter what. Red Tails isn't. That's the point. It's the reason we're discussing. Lucas is saying because Hollywood liberals put money ahead of everything else (and are overt racists) he couldn't get the film financed and had to do it himself. That's why Denny's into the narrative BTW--paints liberals as hypocrites. Good fap material.

I'll explain to you what is wrong with George Lucas' argument:

His "all-black cast" includes Bryan Cranston (Breaking Bad), who's probably the highest paid actor on the project, yet they've made an effort to keep him out of trailers and off the poster. I think he's third-billed behind CGJ and the inimitable Terrance Howard.

The "story that's never been told that made the surviving Airmen cry" was told in 1995 ("The Tuskegee Airmen"), and Cuba Gooding Jr., who's in this film, was in that one as well.

Lucas cast Method Man and Ne-Yo. Kind of like how he stunt-cast Samuel L. Jackson to be in the prequel Trilogy (to play a contemplative monk, a role we've seen SLJ in so many times before...). This is a money choice not an art choice.

Lucas said the film was "expensive", at $58-million, which was another reason for the distributors to avoid it. Here are the top ten films in the box-office right now:

The Devil Inside ($1-million)
Ghost Protocol ($145-million)
Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows ($125-million)
The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo ($90-million)
Alvin & The Chipmunks: Chipwrecked ($80-million)
War Horse ($67-million)
We Bought a Zoo ($50-million)
The Adventures of Tintin ($125-million)
Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy ($21-million)
The Darkest Hour ($30-million)

The average is $73.4-million. Red Tails cost $58-million. So by expensive I guess Lucas meant less than average.

The question is why would distributors not think this would make money?

Ray had a mostly black cast and it made money. Bad Boys & Bad Boys II were huge. I guess if you have a black movie without any black stars that is kind of an issue, probably as much as it is for any movie released in the dead part of the film season that doesn't screen for critics. Lucas is full of shit.
 
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I'm also amused that Lucas is hung-up on the dialogue being intentionally cliched, considering...
 
It's curious and amusing to me to see people complain about one (1) tv spot that has a dubstep track to it. Out of six or seven tv spots, and two or three theatrical trailers, there is exactly one with dubstep. It is a good way to catch the eye and ear of younger people. A smart decision.

Shockingly, I do not recall anyone complaining about the use of - - E.S. Posthumus' "Unstoppable" in nearly every preview for Sherlock (both the first and second movie), despite it being a movie set in the late 1800s. Of course, those are movies based on fictional events so clearly that makes it acceptable. Or any number of other period pieces that have used contemporary music or dialogue.

Ray did well at the theatre and had a majority Black cast, yes. It was also about an American Icon. Of course, 'did well' is subjective. It did 75 million domestic on a 40 million budget. Walk The Line starring Joaquin Phoenix and about Johnny Cash, released the same year (infact three weeks later), did 120 million domestic on a 28 million budget.

Bad Boys did well well, yes, though again 'did well' is subjective. It did 65 million domestic and 140 million worldwide. With Will Smith. Bad Boys II did a lot better - 138 million domestic, about 270 million worldwide (on a 130 million budget) with Will Smith having made himself a bonafide superstar at that point.


The Tuskegee Airmen story was told before, yes, though for a made for TV movie and not a theatrical release. Lucas has also been trying to get this movie made for 23 years (so the his last four films comment is really irrelevant).

If you listened to the interview or read other pieces about it you'll also notice that Lucas, IIRC, said there was no MAJOR white roles in this film, and I am unsure of how much time Cranston's character (or the few other white people cast) receives. As for him being with-held from the trailers and posters, well, he's actually in the theatrical trailers. Though I have yet to see him in a tv spot.

You'll also maybe note how Lucas said after funding the movie himself he thought for sure he'd at least be able to get the ads and marketing funded. Yet, when he went to receive it he was told "we have no idea how to market this film."

Because marketing war stories is so hard. I can't imagine how hard, really, I'd hate to see anyone market a war story about something like horses.

Oh. Wait.

There are four big Black movie stars that come to my mind immediately and probably to the average public. Will. Denzel. Halle. Freeman.

Four.

I mean I guess the average person might be able to name Idris Elba, but probably more due to the fact that people got upset when he was cast as Heimdall in Thor.

Here are the white movie stars I can name off the top of my head. Angelina. Brad. Cruise. Hanks. Craig. Ford. RDJ. Depp. Streep. Bale. Gosling. Clooney. Winslet. Leo. Radcliffe and Pattison to the under 30 crowd just because of Potter and that awful series Twilight. This is 16 without really thinking. There are tons more to name that the average person would know just from the exposure they get in media and movies.

It is doubtful the average person even knows who Viola Davis is.

Just because someone's a liberal doesn't mean they aren't racist, or don't think racist thoughts even if they're subtle, or don't benefit from White Privilege or want to continue to benefit from it.

Do you think The Last Airbender getting whitewashed by the studio was just random?

Or Garrett Hedlund being cast as Kaneda in the live-action Akira, based on an anime? A movie that is casting more white actors day by day.

Or this - http://www.theinterrobangs.com/2011/03/why-the-casting-of-the-hunger-games-matters/- a nice piece on the role of Katniss in The Hunger Games going to Jennifer Lawrence, and how a character that has no 100% legitimate racial identity (she is described as olive-skinned) had only a request for Caucasian actors on its call sheet.

Or how magazines and photoshoots lighten the skin color of POCs - case in point Naya Rivera of Glee, who is a WOC having her skin so lightened in a photoshoot for Elle coming out later this month alongside her white castmates, fans of the show had a hard time recognizing her when looking at the shots.

Or how when Neil Gaiman was getting ready to sell the rights to Anansi Boys (so it would be made into a movie) was told how his Black characters would be changed to white because "of course, Black people don't like fantasy." - http://nerdbastards.com/2011/07/01/neil-gaiman-talks-american-gods-and-doctor-who/

So we can talk about how why yes, Will and Denzel can headline, and maybe even Halle. Freeman is a universally recognized actor.

But that's the problem. Four. Not a lot of Black people (or POCs in general) are given leading roles or even a chance to have leading roles in big movies. There's Tyler Perry movies, the occasional Black film that can get a semi-wide release (Just Wright, Death at a Funeral remake, I can't even remember any ads for Jumping The Broom which has an amazing cast - btw none of these were even released in my area). No unknowns are ever really given a chance, there's no Daniel Radcliffe, Emma Watson, Rupert Grint, Caulkin, etc to carry a movie. There's hardly ever any chances.

On TV can you really name any shows that have POCs as a lead character? I think Community and Pretty Little Liars come closest since they are the very definition of an ensemble show. Glee has lots of supporting POC, of course they're all written in terribly stereotypical fashion.


Do you think if Red Tails fails at the box office we're going to see a big-budget majority Black cast movie in the future? I mean, really?

Denny had valid reason to post this, whether you think he was trying to stir up something against Liberals or not. It is a valid issue, a valid concern.

At least the movie looks better than the Pearl Harbor movie.
 
its pretty obvious George Lucas has white guilt. the whole movie is probably about why whitey is evil and incompetent from the superior black pilots, who have nothing less than superhuman abilities, 180IQs, etc.

its compensation for all the criticism he got for the "black voice hip hop characters" in star wars he put in there.

"hey look everyone, I made a black movie but those evil jews in Hollywood wouldn't fund me!"
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It's not big-budget, we established that. If it cost twice as much it would still be an average blockbuster action/adventure film. Crystal Skull cost three times as much.

George Lucas's preemptive excuse making and whining should fall on deaf ears. If the film is great let it go out to critics and let moviegoers decide. Even in limited release. If he wants to tell the story, great. If he wants it to be a huge fucking movie that's his problem to solve.

It took him 23 years to make a movie about the Tuskegee Airmen? It took him 16 to make Phantom Menace. So what?
 
My gripe is with Hollywood, period. I didn't make any statements about "liberal" or anything like that.

Hollywood went decades between giving a black person a best actor award. They have made so many movies that they know what is a profitable formula, yet they make most movies that don't fit that model. Which is fine, if they're into making movies for Art's sake. Black actors and directors and producers clearly can make fine Art, too, but have never really been able to get funding and backing.

To build on TSE's post above, can you name 5 black directors? 5 black producers? I'll give you the one easy one, Spike Lee (he had to be an indie producer/director to get movies made).

Lucas is an iconic figure in the industry. Regardless of how you want to review Howard the Duck (which did get made!), the man gets no backing from the majors for this film? I mean, the man made a movie for $11M that made 20th century fox $800M, and he couldn't get them to back this movie? It's outrageous.
 
Dude this isn't because it's "black slang". That pisses me off. I love many "black cast" modern films like "Friday", "the wash", bad boys, etc.

I just hate how they don't act as what normal people would in that era. I hated "knights tale" for that very same reason. Someone above mentioned "Sherlock" or that Greek movie. But the dialog in those movies still made you believe that's how they spoke back then. There wasn't a single African American that uses modern street slang in the 40's; which is why I'm turned off. The music's fine IMO, the acting isn't. Guess that's the purist in me.
 
lucas sucks eggs at this point. the new star wars and indiana jones, hell the return of the jedi was crap too, poop ice cream. this guy should just be producing other peoples great scripts and keeping his taste in "art" to himself
 
@TSE:

I think it's either surprising or disingenuous that you don't include Cuba Gooding Jr. in your list of immediately recognizable black stars. Samuel L. Jackson too. I would add Danny Glover as well. I think you intentionally overstate the preponderance of "white" stars. Even considering the ones you listed--4 black and 16 white, that would be 20% black, higher than the US proportion. Why is that a big deal?

As for TV shows with "POC's", Grey's Anatomy and Private Practice both have multiple "minority" stars. There's also Desperate Housewives, Mike & Molly, and of course any one of myriad reality shows. Your suggestion that minorities are not featured on network TV is ridiculous.
 
The fact that, in the preview, they have 1940s black airmen huddling like a college football team and doing the hype-up "We Fight!" chant totally lost me on the historical accuracy. However, the CGI dogfight footage looks impressive, although in a "Pearl Harbor" video game-kinda way.
 
@TSE:

I think it's either surprising or disingenuous that you don't include Cuba Gooding Jr. in your list of immediately recognizable black stars. Samuel L. Jackson too. I would add Danny Glover as well. I think you intentionally overstate the preponderance of "white" stars. Even considering the ones you listed--4 black and 16 white, that would be 20% black, higher than the US proportion. Why is that a big deal?

As for TV shows with "POC's", Grey's Anatomy and Private Practice both have multiple "minority" stars. There's also Desperate Housewives, Mike & Molly, and of course any one of myriad reality shows. Your suggestion that minorities are not featured on network TV is ridiculous.

Does the black guy on "Mike & Molly" play "Mike" or does he play "Molly?"
 
Does the black guy on "Mike & Molly" play "Mike" or does he play "Molly?"

He plays Carl, Mike's partner, a major character in the show, around whom many storylines have been based. Are you suggesting that because he's not a "title character" that he doesn't count?
 

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