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calvin natt said:
ok so I’m clear- more Little, Skal and Simons, (less whoever else) better coaching by Stotts and they should be better than 14-18
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Its just not a great season to be a Blazer fan IMO. Im enjoying watching Simons grow up, I love watching Little play. Dames always so good. Just things havent gone there way. Whether its line ups, injuries, new faces, coaching, a combination of all that, something else, I dont know. I do know Id do things differently here or there and this forum is the right outlet to voice that opinion. It doesnt mean Im right, or that I know more than the players, coaches or other fans, its just my opinions on how I would make changes.

I dont know if its energy, sloppiness, or what but this has been a fairly frustrating season and Ive been through a lot of them just because it feels like something between the ears of the team seems off. Maybe its losing some of the chemistry from last year, maybe I and others were just wrong about the moves over the summer and “blaming” a coach or an individual is easier than just admitting I was wrong, I wouldn't rule it out.

Hope they kick the Lakers butts tonight.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Its just not a great season to be a Blazer fan IMO. Im enjoying watching Simons grow up, I love watching Little play. Dames always so good. Just things havent gone there way. Whether its line ups, injuries, new faces, coaching, a combination of all that, something else, I dont know. I do know Id do things differently here or there and this forum is the right outlet to voice that opinion. It doesnt mean Im right, or that I know more than the players, coaches or other fans, its just my opinions on how I would make changes.

I dont know if its energy, sloppiness, or what but this has been a fairly frustrating season and Ive been through a lot of them just because it feels like something between the ears of the team seems off. Maybe its losing some of the chemistry from last year, maybe I and others were just wrong about the moves over the summer and “blaming” a coach or an individual is easier than just admitting I was wrong, I wouldn't rule it out.

Hope they kick the Lakers butts tonight.
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But in your case you've questioned things since the Pelicans series, right? That's why I hate the new players and injury excuses. Yes, those are contributing factors but a lot of these problems surfaced years ago and are not being masked anymore by someone like Nurk who almost single-handedly transformed the defense.
 
hoopsjock said:
But in your case you've questioned things since the Pelicans series, right? That's why I hate the new players and injury excuses. Yes, those are contributing factors but a lot of these problems surfaced years ago and are not being masked anymore by someone like Nurk who almost single-handedly transformed the defense.
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I have had my doubts about Stotts as a Championship level coach. Ive always thought his systems were “ok” for the regular season, they havent been this year though, which is why I think its more than just bad coaching. Injuries, chemistry, lack of talent all that probably have at least something to do with it.
 
hoopsjock said:
I wasn't purposely omitting anyone, I just assumed everyone remembered the circumstances. Also in that game Skal was playing well (same with the GS game) and Stotts took him out with 4:45 left and inserted Tolliver. We were up 8 at the time. Tolliver played 27 minutes in that game to 22 minutes for Skal. Tolliver was 2-6 with 2 rebounds.
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Tolliver is hot garbage for sure. Skal was money offensively that game, really struggled on the glass (the whole team did). Hezonja and Tolliver playing 64 minutes is never going to cut it.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I have had my doubts about Stotts as a Championship level coach. Ive always thought his systems were “ok” for the regular season, they havent been this year though, which is why I think its more than just bad coaching. Injuries, chemistry, lack of talent all that probably have at least something to do with it.
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I agree about this team having a championship level coach, or front office, or roster for that matter.

Just curious @TorturedBlazerFan outside of the NOP series, what playoff series have the Blazers lost where you thought we were the more talented team? I've asked this question of a couple of other people, but nobody wants to answer it, but I'm confident you will!
 
Tince said:
I agree about this team having a championship level coach, or front office, or roster for that matter.

Just curious @TorturedBlazerFan outside of the NOP series, what playoff series have the Blazers lost where you thought we were the more talented team? I've asked this question of a couple of other people, but nobody wants to answer it, but I'm confident you will!
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How far back do I get to go? I thought they were better than Memphis the year that LMA was in quit mode. I think at least 2 of the years they got swept by GS they shouldve taken them to 6 games, especially last year.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
How far back do I get to go? I thought they were better than Memphis the year that LMA was in quit mode. I think at least 2 of the years they got swept by GS they shouldve taken them to 6 games, especially last year.
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The Stotts era is fine. So Memphis/NOP it sounds like. Did you think we had more talent in each of the LAC, OKC, and Denver series?
 
Tince said:
I agree about this team having a championship level coach, or front office, or roster for that matter.

Just curious @TorturedBlazerFan outside of the NOP series, what playoff series have the Blazers lost where you thought we were the more talented team? I've asked this question of a couple of other people, but nobody wants to answer it, but I'm confident you will!
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Games aren't played on paper thankfully.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
At that point Kerr’s experience was running Phoenix into the ground as a GM.
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And I was aware of that at the time. He had a mandate from ownership and he did what they wanted.

And I wanted to hire him as our coach.

*Edit* Not that I wanted Stotts fired at the time or blame the Blazers for not hiring Kerr. I just expected Kerr to be an excellent coach and wished we could have hired him once I knew he was available.
 
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tlongII said:
Tank.
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Yeah. I'm not usually in this boat, but I'm all in on tanking at this point. Looks like we may end up losing Skal as well.

Next time Dame gets nicked up and comes in for treatment get the trainers to tell him he's risking injury by playing and that he needs physical therapy for 6 months.
 
hoopsjock said:
Completely agree with this. It's the same mindset that allows injuries to be the excuse for everything that happens this season.

Toronto is 21-10 after losing Kawhi and Green this off season and replacing them with Rondae Hollis-Jefferson and Stanley Johnson plus having multiple starters out with injuries. Their coach actually tries different things with his "lesser talent" to compensate for that. So far this season I've seen him employ a box and one, a trapping zone, and a full court press with guys like Chris Boucher, Terrence Davis, and Malcolm Miller. You can't convince me that they just have more talent than us. Instead of trying new things the Blazers still run pretty much the exact same offense and defense they've been running for over 7 years.
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So much this! And from a coach no one knew about or would have named from the 'there is no one better out there' crowd.

Tince said:
I think this might help explain why some people are so upset.... They think 50 wins is average. They think a team who lead for more minutes in a series got plastered.
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Purely anecdotal, but having never run anything more than mad practice in basketball day aftere day, decided to enter a 10K because my roommate asked me too. Was leading everyone in the entire race at the halfway mark. This story does not end well....

....they had to peel me off the pavement at the finish line from being 'plastered' and I think amputees were passing me by the 6 mile mark.
 
Propagandist said:
Yes, but these games where Dame and CJ score 30 each, Melo scores over 20, and Whiteside has 20 and 20 and 6 or whatever, and we beat a lottery team by a handful of points, decided in the last minute of the game, are mind blowing. I literally don't know what to think, other than the fact that we can't stop teams from scoring, period.
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Maybe because the bench scored 9 points? Just a thought?
 
I like Stotts. Always have.
But....
It feels like the offense has no actual set plays. They run "sets and read".
No wonder players love him so much.
If my boss said I have to be at work 9-5, but could do whatever I felt like doing, I would love my boss too.
But what is starting to concern me is what feels like a lack of discipline and accountability.
Shot selection, time and score awareness, defensive communication all seem to be on the decline.
Maybe it's just a bad year.
 
TBpup said:
Of course he would disagree. But to be fair, he thinks Stotts is a great coach and Meyers was a great Draft pick.
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Not sure i have heard his opinion on Meyers as a draft pick in the last 4-5 years? But i'm certain he never said "Great" as a way to describe it. As i remember he was always supportive of Meyers as he should have been. Might have said he was a great shooter? Something like that?
I could be wrong on this? Have you got a link?
 
Wade Garrett said:
But what is starting to concern me is what feels like a lack of discipline and accountability.
Shot selection, time and score awareness, defensive communication all seem to be on the decline.
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It's pretty obvious. Multiple different lineups and lack of cohesiveness has taken it's toll. That and the very nature of what they try to do. Defense takes players knowing what to expect from each other. Flex/Flow offense takes players trusting and knowing where they will be. They need some players back and they need to make a few more tweaks to the lineup. At least that is my take.
 
kjironman1 said:
Not sure i have heard his opinion on Meyers as a draft pick in the last 4-5 years? But i'm certain he never said "Great" as a way to describe it. As i remember he was always supportive of Meyers as he should have been. Might have said he was a great shooter? Something like that?
I could be wrong on this? Have you got a link?
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The truth often gets embellished in this forum to meet ones narrative.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Denver tried to trap dame you skipped that one, oh wait it's just because they weren't experienced enough to beat the Blazers bad team / coaching.
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Denver trapped Dame and he had a shit series. We barely barely barely won that series against a team that simply wasn't ready to compete. And Stotts tried his hardest to lose that series.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Denver trapped Dame and he had a shit series. We barely barely barely won that series against a team that simply wasn't ready to compete. And Stotts tried his hardest to lose that series.
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Now Denver “Wasn’t Ready to Compete”.
The hits just keep coming.
 
kjironman1 said:
Now Denver “Wasn’t Ready to Compete”.
The hits just keep coming.
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I have literally been saying that the entire thread. They went 7 games against a shit Spurs team. They were young and inexperienced.

But hey, don't actually refute my claim, just make snide remarks. That makes you look suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper smart.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I have literally been saying that the entire thread. They went 7 games against a shit Spurs team. They were young and inexperienced.

But hey, don't actually refute my claim, just make snide remarks. That makes you look suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuper smart.
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Look if you think a team that played an entire season and a seven game series and was in the second round was not ready then I can’t argue your opinion. But please don’t call it anything more than that. An Opinion. I can respect that.
 
kjironman1 said:
Look if you think a team that played an entire season and a seven game series and was in the second round was not ready then I can’t argue your opinion. But please don’t call it anything more than that. An Opinion. I can respect that.
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You think that's the first time a team has done really well in the regular season and then showed their inexperience in the playoffs? No, I don't think they were ready. And I think it took Stotts way too fucking long to figure out that he needed to play Collins and Hood more to take advantage of the Nuggets. It almost lost us the series.
 
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