Honest Question

[dviss1]

I hope you don't have any opinions about American military involvement in the Middle East.

Why? My 2 cousins (really like brothers) have 9 tours between them. One is on his 5th tour in Afghanistan. The other did 3 tours in Iraq and is on his 4th tour now in Kuwait.

I have another cousin who is a CO at Inverness and another who is a Black policeman in Pendleton (let that one sink in)....

 

[Natebishop3]

the n-word demeans a person or a group of people because of what they are.
"Whitesplain" demeans a group of people because of what they choose to do (i.e., tell black people what they should do differently).

Very, very different.

Words like Whitesplain and Mansplain are use to dismiss people based on their gender or their color. What if someone actually has valuable opinions and information, but they happen to be white? Is that whitesplaining?

 

[MarAzul]

If I told you about how you needed to change your community

You sir, attempt to do this with every other post.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Why? My 2 cousins (really like brothers) have 9 tours between them. One is on his 5th tour in Afghanistan. The other did 3 tours in Iraq and is on his 4th tour now in Kuwait.

And their opinions would be fully informed, but your second-hand perspective certainly wouldn't constitute "visiting it or really knowing the situation intimately", or "having all the info".

 

[crandc]

Whitesplain/mansplain (and variations like goysplain, straightsplain, cissplain et al) do not mean people should not have opinions.

A good example of mansplain is male state legislators writing scripts that doctors have to read to pregnant women. Because they know more about pregnancy than women or their doctors. Whitesplain is Bill O'Reilly lecturing the African-American community on how they should behave. A man who grew up in a legislated all-white community and was shocked that Black people behaved politely in a restaurant.

__ splain means a person who has not lived an experience telling a member of a marginalized group who has lived the experience what they REALLY feel or need. The assumption that someone who has not lived our experience still knows better than we do and can lecture us on it. Not only can lecture us but feels obligated and entitled to do so.

I guess Maris will call this another racist and sexist insult. Not sure how my original post was racist and sexist but I guess just saying I'm a woman is enough.

P.S. dviss by all means let's try to do a Blazers game; I'm unlikely to be in Portland but do you ever visit the Bay?

 

[Natebishop3]

__ splain means a person who has not lived an experience telling a member of a marginalized group who has lived the experience what they REALLY feel or need. The assumption that someone who has not lived our experience still knows better than we do and can lecture us on it. Not only can lecture us but feels obligated and entitled to do so.

So would blacksplain be someone like Dviss explaining to us what it means to be white?

 

[dviss1]

And, WTF, man? You ask for honest comments, I give you my views and this one-liner is what I get back. Bullshit.

You're right I shouldn't have been so dismissive. What I can say is every one of those black athletes has had their N moment. John Henson most recently. So My bad I was a bit triggered by your athletes get treated well statement.

Words like Whitesplain and Mansplain are use to dismiss people based on their gender or their color. What if someone actually has valuable opinions and information, but they happen to be white? Is that whitesplaining?

We made the word up. This is NOT the definition. I defined it above. Did you read it?

That's not what whitepslain means. It DOES NOT mean your opinion is irrelevant. What it refers to is when whites tell us what we need to do to change our communities; e.g. stop being lazy, stop killing each other, or bringing up statistics to explain to us what our problems are. Also it's assumed that we don't know or don't care because you see us protesting the police. But ignores all the things we do to come together as a people. WE KNOW we need more self love. WE KNOW we need to look in the mirror to change the self destruction in our communities. Michael Jackson wrote a song about it called "Man in the Mirror".

What we don't need is you to tell us. And you see us protesting because COPS GET OFF.

When we kill our own 2 things happen:

One person dies and another either dies or goes to prison. Either way 2 families lose and NOBODY wins. So the next time you or anyone else who DOESN'T live near or isn't active in our community decides to explain to us what's wrong with us after being absent while looking at numbers and statistics to form you opinion, maybe then you can understand why it's met with angst... We really don't give a fuck if you don't like the term whitesplaining.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Whitesplain/mansplain (and variations like goysplain, straightsplain, cissplain et al) do not mean people should not have opinions.

A good example of mansplain is male state legislators writing scripts that doctors have to read to pregnant women. Because they know more about pregnancy than women or their doctors. Whitesplain is Bill O'Reilly lecturing the African-American community on how they should behave. A man who grew up in a legislated all-white community and was shocked that Black people behaved politely in a restaurant.

__ splain means a person who has not lived an experience telling a member of a marginalized group who has lived the experience what they REALLY feel or need. The assumption that someone who has not lived our experience still knows better than we do and can lecture us on it. Not only can lecture us but feels obligated and entitled to do so.

It reminds me of the depression PSA's telling everybody how insulting it is to tell someone with clinical depression to just "snap out of it". Or people who haven't done a tour of military duty instructing returning vets how they should handle their PTSD. Or people who've never procreated opining to me on how I should be raising my child.

I'm sure any of us can come up with a comparable example of a situation where someone without relevant experience has tried to tell us how to do something, so we should all be able to comprehend how insulting it can feel.

 

[dviss1]

So would blacksplain be someone like Dviss explaining to us what it means to be white?

Triggered.

 

[MARIS61]

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/01/09/obama.reid/

Reid apologizes for racial remarks about Obama during campaign


The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."

"He [Reid] was wowed by Obama's oratorical gifts and believed that the country was ready to embrace a black presidential candidate, especially one such as Obama -- a 'light-skinned' African American 'with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one,' " Halperin and Heilemann say.

"Reid was convinced, in fact, that Obama's race would help him more than hurt him in a bid for the Democratic nomination," they write.

Turns out he was spot on with his assessment.

Nothing racist in his comments that I see.

Reid is still a POS corrupt traitor to our country.

 

[Natebishop3]

You're right I shouldn't have been so dismissive. What I can say is every one of those black athletes has had their N moment. John Henson most recently. So My bad I was a bit triggered by your athletes get treated well statement.



We made the word up. This is NOT the definition. I defined it above. Did you read it?

Is there a scenario where a white person can offer useful information to the black community without having it labeled as "whitesplaining?" Or would that person be dismissed because any white person trying to provide information to the black community is "whitesplaining?"

 

[Denny Crane]

Turns out he was spot on with his assessment.

Nothing racist in his comments that I see.

Reid is still a POS corrupt traitor to our country.

Another link worthy post.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Is there a scenario where a white person can offer useful information to the black community without having it labeled as "whitesplaining?" Or would that person be dismissed because any white person trying to provide information to the black community is "whitesplaining?"

To suggest that a white person is going to have information useful to the black community that members of that very community wouldn't already have available to them is kind of condescending in and of itself, don't you think?

 

[Natebishop3]

To suggest that a white person is going to have information useful to the black community that members of that very community wouldn't already have available to them is kind of condescending in and of itself, don't you think?

There are literally people who go to school to become community developers and urban planners. We study things like cultural geography and social engineering. To think that it's impossible for any white person to develop a new idea or theory is very short sighted.

We have anthropologists who study civilizations from thousands of years ago with languages that don't exist anymore. How do those people write books and establish strong opinions on the cultures of those societies without having the ability to ever visit them or experience them? To tell someone that they can never understand because they're white is absurd, and to think that there won't be any new or useful ideas is rather bleak, don't you think?

 

[MARIS61]

You wanted a link. Here's a perfect example, and one of the more tame ones.

No, it's not the exact same usage.

Yeah, it is. Actually it's worse. The n-word is an actual word whose definition had nothing to do with race. The hate terms mansplain and whitesplain are solely creations by hate groups to attack and ridicule the people they hate.
You can lies-splain all you want, but we've all seen enough hate rants by the poster to know the terms are used hatefully.

And you apparently have no link because there are none.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

"I don't need anything whitesplained to me"

"I don't need some cracker telling me anything"

What is the difference? The difference is minor at best. PC basically.

Seems similar to how people use the word thug in place of the n word. I know some people set their alarm clocks ahead to trick themselves into getting up early. That doesn't fool me, I know how far ahead I set it.

 

[dviss1]

There are literally people who go to school to become community developers and urban planners. We study things like cultural geography and social engineering. To think that it's impossible for any white person to develop a new idea or theory is very short sighted.

We have anthropologists who study civilizations from thousands of years ago with languages that don't exist anymore. How do those people write books and establish strong opinions on the cultures of those societies without having the ability to ever visit them or experience them? To tell someone that they can never understand because they're white is absurd, and to think that there won't be any new or useful ideas is rather bleak, don't you think?

Do you oranyone in here have any of those credentials?

 

[Denny Crane]

Yeah, it is. Actually it's worse. The n-word is an actual word whose definition had nothing to do with race. The hate terms mansplain and whitesplain are solely creations by hate groups to attack and ridicule the people they hate.
You can lies-splain all you want, but we've all seen enough hate rants by the poster to know the terms are used hatefully.

And you apparently have no link because there are none.

I don't have to wait for but a few posts from you to have link-worthy cases in point.

You asked, you don't like the answer. It is what it is.

 

[dviss1]

"I don't need anything whitesplained to me"

"I don't need some cracker telling me anything"

What is the difference? The difference is minor at best. PC basically.

Seems similar to how people use the word thug in place of the n word. I know some people set their alarm clocks ahead to trick themselves into getting up early. That doesn't fool me, I know how far ahead I set it.

My sister's best friend is white. She grew up on 8th and Ainsworth. She can speak to me about race and race issues all she wants. So no. It doesn't mean what you say.

 

[Denny Crane]

My sister's best friend is white. She grew up on 8th and Ainsworth. She can speak to me about race and race issues all she wants. So no. It doesn't mean what you say.

Some of my best friends are black?

 

[dviss1]

Is there a scenario where a white person can offer useful information to the black community without having it labeled as "whitesplaining?" Or would that person be dismissed because any white person trying to provide information to the black community is "whitesplaining?"

Yes. My last post.

 

[dviss1]

Some of my best friends are black?

Apples to oranges. Most who day this aren't being truthful

 

[Denny Crane]

Goose. Gander.

 

[dviss1]

It reminds me of the depression PSA's telling everybody how insulting it is to tell someone with clinical depression to just "snap out of it". Or people who haven't done a tour of military duty instructing returning vets how they should handle their PTSD. Or people who've never procreated opining to me on how I should be raising my child.

I'm sure any of us can come up with a comparable example of a situation where someone without relevant experience has tried to tell us how to do something, so we should all be able to comprehend how insulting it can feel.

QFT

 

[MarAzul]

Simple answer.

Your question lacks sufficient context. Some I know are treated alright, not much differently than most of us. I plan to visit one on Monterey Bay, I worked with some years ago.
Then there are those that go out of their way to seperate themselves from there countryman by calling them racist, bigots, and talk of them whitesplaining.

No sir, would not like to be treated like the later. It may get worse too if BLM has their way.

 

[MARIS61]

the n-word demeans a person or a group of people because of what they are.
"Whitesplain" demeans a group of people because of what they choose to do (i.e., tell black people what they should do differently).

Very, very different.

There is no such "group" in existence, certainly not on this board. The claim that "white people" all think this way is blatantly racist, as is your attempt to legitimize it.

 

[Natebishop3]

Do you oranyone in here have any of those credentials?

I went to school for Geography and Community Development, so yes, kinda. But I'm also not trying to explain to you how to "fix" the Black community.

 

[dviss1]

And their opinions would be fully informed, but your second-hand perspective certainly wouldn't constitute "visiting it or really knowing the situation intimately", or "having all the info".

I would have the opinion of being afraid for their lives. That's the only one I'd express. One of why I don't want them there.

 

[dviss1]

I went to school for Geography and Community Development, so yes, kinda. But I'm also not trying to explain to you how to "fix" the Black community.

But if you read above you'll see where others have.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Being boss-splained at work is absolutely the worst, amirite?