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ABM said:
I have no idea what you mean. As this thread seemed to wend a different direction (as it seems many do in this forum), I was able to share some personal and transparent anecdotes about my life. Despite my reference to "hoodisms" (I used that particular term in fun due to the etymology of the term "dope" originating as hip-hop jargon), there's not an ounce of racism in my body. In fact, I'm proud of my father's accomplishments towards racial reconciliation, and aspire to be known for the same.
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And realistically, white male who has ZERO connection to the black community, what makes YOU think you know the answers to what ails us?!?!? That's right, you don't.

White saviors... This ain't the movie Dangerous Minds...

You can't even comprehend how RACIST your idiocy is in this thread...

THAT'S what's wrong with this country. Too many white males think how you do.
 
dviss1 said:
And realistically, white male who has ZERO connection to the black community, what makes YOU think you know the answers to what ails us?!?!? That's right, you don't.

White saviors... This ain't the movie Dangerous Minds...

You can't even comprehend how RACIST your idiocy is in this thread...

THAT'S what's wrong with this country. Too many white males think how you do.
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Can I just ask cause Ive seen the term, “white saviors” a couple times in like a derogatory way, and Im not quite sure the meaning. It seems like by context people are upset at white people trying to help, but Im not sure why people would be upset at that? So I am assuming I dont quite understand.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Can I just ask cause Ive seen the term, “white saviors” a couple times in like a derogatory way, and Im not quite sure the meaning. It seems like by context people are upset at white people trying to help, but Im not sure why people would be upset at that? So I am assuming I dont quite understand.
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So many movies portray white people being the saviors of black people:

Dangerous Minds
The Blind Side
Radio
Glory Road (I fucking LOVED this movie)
The Help
Avatar
Blood Diamond
The Soloist

I could go and on....

So many movies depict white people saving us from "ourselves" when really white people have done the complete opposite to us.

Some of those movies are real slaps on the face... And it's a way of rewriting history.
 
dviss1 said:
Answer my question @ABM, how many black fathers do you know personally???
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I'd say about 10-12 from my previous testimony, below (from this same thread). They are "brothers" from the Christian community. I'm now in Nashville, so just a few new relationships being formed here now.

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I get it that many of you think I don't "get it."

That said, I do have a heart for the less fortunate. My father (rest his soul), a pastor, spent the better part of 30 years ministering in the so-called black community of North Portland...beginning in the late-60's, early 70's, when you'd drive down Vancouver and Williams Avenues and see steel bars, etc. across most of the windows. The church was on N. Wygant & Vancouver Ave. We're talkin' the era of the LA Watts riots, Martin Luther King's assassination, and otherwise general racial mayhem across most of the country.

My dad's calling was racial reconciliation and he did a fine job of fulfilling that call on his life. In fact, at his funeral/memorial in 2016, the building was full of many of those black folks that gave tearful testimony of what he had meant to them, and the tremendous impact he had in and on their lives. They loved him, and he loved them.

Back in the day, I was the only little white kid at that church. I'll have to admit, it was a very difficult time for me, as a number of the other kids - particularly, girls - would verbally abuse me. I even got spit on once. Even though it was a church environment, kids will still do mean things. It was too much for me to bear at the time, and I quit going to church with my parents. On Sunday mornings, I'd just stay home or go up to the neighborhood bowling alley and hang out. I was 13. Although, I will have to say that I had great relationships with virtually all the parents at the church, and still have a few connections in that regard. It was sad (and now that I think of it, kinda weird) that my only relationship issues stemmed from those 10-12 year old girls.

That all said, and I guess the greater point, the church did have a teen center which my father helped establish. I used to love going there on Saturdays and summer weekdays and hang out with the older kids that dropped by. I really enjoyed that experience. Again, even though I was the only white boy, the older teens kinda took me under their wings. It was a cool experience all the way around. Racial discord was erupting all around us (and nationally), and here I was playing ping-pong, chess/checkers, and the like with my black friends. I suppose we kinda scoffed at all that other garbage.

I could share many other stories, but, suffice it say my father took big risks driving this pasty white family down the streets of NoPo every week. Was my dad all that? Not necessarily, However, the deal was, he cared and took steps to help find solutions to to these social issues. Granted, we're talking a small sampling of the community at large, but he still made a difference for the better in a number of people's lives. By the way, some of those same "kids" gave testimony at his memorial service.

Kids become adults, parents, and the like. Good place to start IMO.
 
dviss1 said:
So many movies portray white people being the saviors of black people:

Dangerous Minds
The Blind Side
Radio
Glory Road (I fucking LOVED this movie)
The Help
Avatar
Blood Diamond
The Soloist

I could go and on....

So many movies depict white people saving us from "ourselves" when really white people have done the complete opposite to us.

Some of those movies are real slaps on the face... And it's a way of rewriting history.
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Of those movies, I've only seen Blood Diamond and I thought Leonardo Leonardo DiCaprio did his usual brilliant job of acting. I was oblivious to what you are talking about. I will have to watch such films with a new awareness in the future.
It's rare and treasured event when we become aware of anything new to us.
 
dviss1 said:
...Every single black father that I know personally from my generation it's there for there children. EVERY SINGLE ONE.
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I think that's awesome.

And I may be drawing from information that has since changed for the better, so that's great, as well. It was never my intention to peer down over these issues and step into them as being some type of "savior". Truly, the race issues in this country stemmed from the white man. And I believe, if there's to be any type of reconciliation, pretty much the white man needs to take the steps forward towards the healing processes. That's not to be conflated with being a savior. It's simply a matter of who moves closer first.

That all said, if I (even ignorantly?) believed that there were a problem with absent fathers in our black communities (as I had read about and previously witnessed), and that simply wasn't true in "today's" world, yet I still wanted be involved with the youth in a mentoring capacity (blacks, whites, hispanics, asians, whatever), does that still make me racist? I think not.
 
dviss1 said:
So many movies portray white people being the saviors of black people:

Dangerous Minds
The Blind Side
Radio
Glory Road (I fucking LOVED this movie)
The Help
Avatar
Blood Diamond
The Soloist

I could go and on....

So many movies depict white people saving us from "ourselves" when really white people have done the complete opposite to us.

Some of those movies are real slaps on the face... And it's a way of rewriting history.
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Avatar?
 
Really quickly:

When we want good NBA analysis we turn to the people that have the most experience right?

NFL HOFers host the Sunday shows and we rely on them for expert opinion.

When you hire a contractor to remodel your house you make sure he's licensed, bonded, has references, has a good standing with the BBB, and can show you before/after pics of his work right?

Why?

Humans value experience. Life experience is the best teacher.

Since this is an absolute truth, why do the people who never experience racism feel like they know so much about it and why THE FUCK won't you listen to the people who have THE MOST experience with it???
 
dviss1 said:
Really quickly:

When we want good NBA analysis we turn to the people that have the most experience right?

NFL HOFers host the Sunday shows and we rely on them for expert opinion.

When you hire a contractor to remodel your house you make sure he's licensed, bonded, has references, has a good standing with the BBB, and can show you before/after pics of his work right?

Why?

Humans value experience. Life experience is the best teacher.

Since this is an absolute truth, why do the people who never experience racism feel like they know so much about it and why THE FUCK won't you listen to the people who have THE MOST experience with it???
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OK, then, rather than rail on me, I'd love hear some of "your" solutions to cure racism.
 
ABM said:
I have no idea what you mean. As this thread seemed to wend a different direction (as it seems many do in this forum), I was able to share some personal and transparent anecdotes about my life. Despite my reference to "hoodisms" (I used that particular term in fun due to the etymology of the term "dope" originating as hip-hop jargon), there's not an ounce of racism in my body. In fact, I'm proud of my father's accomplishments towards racial reconciliation, and aspire to be known for the same.
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Im justvgona say this. You are wrong on so many levels, but ill clarify one of them for you.
Dope wasn't coined by the hip hop culture. It was morphed.

My father and his hippy buddies used the word dope all the time in the 70’s.

Thats just one instance of many that could be pointed out.

This thread reaks of ignorance. Sorry.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Im justvgona say this. You are wrong on so many levels, but ill clarify one of them for you.
Dope wasn't coined by the hip hop culture. It was morphed.

My father and his hippy buddies used the word dope all the time in the 70’s.

Thats just one instance of many that could be pointed out.

This thread reaks of ignorance. Sorry.
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K, thanks.

My original reference (as uninformed as it may be) came from this link:

https://english.stackexchange.com/q...gy-of-dope-meaning-excellent-great-impressive

The upshot of this discussion is that dope in the sense of "excellent" didn't reach a mass audience in the early 1980s by appearing in Spicer's extremely popular and influential rap recording—because it didn't appear in that recording. The spread in usage of dope as "excellent" seems to have been slower and more organic, and Spicer seems to have been an early user but not (on this evidence) a crucial promoter. The actual mechanism of the term's popularization remains to be identified.

In other words, there may very well be earlier uses before the 1980's. I was simply relying what I thought was a seemingly comprehensive source.
 
ABM said:
OK, then, rather than rail on me, I'd love hear some of "your" solutions to cure racism.
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White people need to stop talking, shut up, listen, then pay up.

See, you have the ability and the privilege to just check out of the discussion. Racism doesn't affect you in the slightest so it's something you can ignore.

The problem is, you're too busy whitesplaining to us how to fix problems that never affect you.

Stop talking and open your ears about things you have no experience with.

Start there.

It's really easy to get along with black people but white people seem to have problems with the 2 SIMPLE rules:

1. Don't use either version of the N.
2. Show respect.

Why are those 2 rules so hard to follow??
 
dviss1 said:
It's really easy to get along with black people but white people seem to have problems with the 2 SIMPLE rules:

1. Don't use either version of the N.
2. Show respect.

Why are those 2 rules so hard to follow??
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Truly, not hard at all. Thanks for splaining.
 
ABM said:
K, thanks.

My original reference (as uninformed as it may be) came from this link:

https://english.stackexchange.com/q...gy-of-dope-meaning-excellent-great-impressive

The upshot of this discussion is that dope in the sense of "excellent" didn't reach a mass audience in the early 1980s by appearing in Spicer's extremely popular and influential rap recording—because it didn't appear in that recording. The spread in usage of dope as "excellent" seems to have been slower and more organic, and Spicer seems to have been an early user but not (on this evidence) a crucial promoter. The actual mechanism of the term's popularization remains to be identified.

In other words, there may very well be earlier uses before the 1980's. I was simply relying what I thought was a seemingly comprehensive source.
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Another question:

Why do you care so much?

You scared of that 2050 date too?
 
dviss1 said:
Another question:

Why do you care so much?
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If you had read what my father was called to do, and why I want to honor his legacy, you might understand.
 
dviss1 said:
It's a white savior movie.

Also, Avatar and Pocahontas are the same damn movie.
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My wife and I took our little niece to see Pocahontas.
We watched in awe as she chomped on her popcorn and ate her candy bar while her little eyes were glued to the movie screen. We had the time of our lives as did she.
I tried to watch Avatar but could not watch the whole thing. It looked pretty stupid to me. There are too many good movies out there to waste my time on that.
However, I suppose if some small child we knew was enthralled with it and we had the opportunity to take that child to see Avatar, I might enjoy that experience but it wouldn't be because the movie was any damn good.
 
ABM said:
K, thanks.

My original reference (as uninformed as it may be) came from this link:

https://english.stackexchange.com/q...gy-of-dope-meaning-excellent-great-impressive

The upshot of this discussion is that dope in the sense of "excellent" didn't reach a mass audience in the early 1980s by appearing in Spicer's extremely popular and influential rap recording—because it didn't appear in that recording. The spread in usage of dope as "excellent" seems to have been slower and more organic, and Spicer seems to have been an early user but not (on this evidence) a crucial promoter. The actual mechanism of the term's popularization remains to be identified.

In other words, there may very well be earlier uses before the 1980's. I was simply relying what I thought was a seemingly comprehensive source.
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But that's just it. Generations change the meaning, not races... at least generally. Who changed gay from being happy to meaning homosexual?

Who changed "nasty" from being gross to being cool as fuck?

I could go on and on about words, their perceptive meanings and how generations twist them to fit the times. How it is a "hood" thing is making me scratch my head because all races and generations do it with words.


As for the word dope. Dope morphed into being cool because it was cool to smoke dope back in the day. Used mainly by hippies ( ever seen cheech and chong???) in the 70's dope referred to refer, or marijuana. It was cool to smoke dope. It was dope to dope it up.
Now did the "hood" morph it from marijuana to being cool? possibly (who cares????) but dope is still not in mainstream language that I know of. I haven't heard anyone say the word dope as in cool in a long time. Its not as engrained into society as say...

Spatula


So your focus on this is seemingly odd, regardless of your family history.
 
dviss1 said:
White people need to stop talking, shut up, listen, then pay up.

See, you have the ability and the privilege to just check out of the discussion. Racism doesn't affect you in the slightest so it's something you can ignore.

The problem is, you're too busy whitesplaining to us how to fix problems that never affect you.

Stop talking and open your ears about things you have no experience with.

Start there.

It's really easy to get along with black people but white people seem to have problems with the 2 SIMPLE rules:

1. Don't use either version of the N.
2. Show respect.

Why are those 2 rules so hard to follow??
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I haven't used any derogatory use of the 'N' word including negro for about half a century. I suppose this is the first time I've used a version in half a century. Since I undoubtedly will not last another half a century, that's almost assuredly that last time I'll ever use it.
That's my pledge. I hope others will make that pledge either out loud or in silence. Hint: Saying things out loud that are the right thing helps drive it home internally.
 
Orion Bailey said:
But that's just it. Generations change the meaning, not races... at least generally. Who changed gay from being happy to meaning homosexual?

Who changed "nasty" from being gross to being cool as fuck?

I could go on and on about words, their perceptive meanings and how generations twist them to fit the times. How it is a "hood" thing is making me scratch my head because all races and generations do it with words.


As for the word dope. Dope morphed into being cool because it was cool to smoke dope back in the day. Used mainly by hippies ( ever seen cheech and chong???) in the 70's dope referred to refer, or marijuana. It was cool to smoke dope. It was dope to dope it up.
Now did the "hood" morph it from marijuana to being cool? possibly (who cares????) but dope is still not in mainstream language that I know of. I haven't heard anyone say the word dope as in cool in a long time. Its not as engrained into society as say...

Spatula


So your focus on this is seemingly odd, regardless of your family history.
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My cousin's middle name was Gay. She had to change it to her mom's first name.
I'll never forget my first Cheech and Chong album. I was at the house of an acquaintance and we were smoking some weed. He puts on this record and I laughed 'till I cried. He was laughing too but the more I laughed, the more he laughed and the more he laughed the more I laughed. It's like a positive feedback loop such as you find in audio work. It soon reaches a maximum limit. I'm chuckling as I type this.

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By the way, from my work in electronics, I know that the only useful feedback is negative feedback. All else leads to a runaway result.
 
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Lanny said:
My cousin's middle name was Gay. She had to change it to her mom's first name.
I'll never forget my first Cheech and Chong album. I was at the house of an acquaintance and we were smoking some weed. He puts on this record and I laughed 'till I cried. He was laughing too but the more I laughed, the more he laughed and the more he laughed the more I laughed. It's like a positive feedback loop such as you find in audio work. It soon reaches a maximum limit. I'm chuckling as I type this.

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By the way, from my work in electronics, I know that the only useful feedback is negative feedback. All else leads to a runaway result.
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LOL Sounds liek one of my many mushroom trips. :) IM called the hyena by my friends.

ABM said:
No worries. I'm just curious by nature. I love words...and their meanings. :)
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No worries and me holding no judgment. Just observations. :)
 
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