Hoping Atlanta lands Howard

[MickZagger]

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Horford's a boss. 17ppg on 55% shooting is a wash compared 20 on 47% shooting. When you factor in Horford's defense its why I take Horford. Too many easy points in the paint.

 

[jlprk]

Aldridge would be a fine #2 if there was a better option but there isn't. Him and Lillard are fine, IMO....pick and pop works well if they used it a bit more. I mean, address some real problems on the team..this does barely anything. The change in team chemistry would be negligible. As far as "fit" goes, Aldridge isn't really fucking shit up or anything so why the need to change? Its change for the sake of change, not something with a well thought out plan.

As for Lillard being that #1...yeah, you really don't trade your current #1 in his prime unless you get a real #1 back that will make a difference. this whole thought process is pretty stupid.

You get horford, nothing is different....except you introduce somewhat of an unknown. I'm fine with LA's production here...see no need to change it. Like I said...get a starting center and fill the bench out and we'll be fine.

Anyone who is an inadequate #1 but would make a fine #2 is not as good as someone who is a fine #1 and would make a fine #2.

 

[MickZagger]

Aldridge would be a fine #2 if there was a better option but there isn't. Him and Lillard are fine, IMO....pick and pop works well if they used it a bit more. I mean, address some real problems on the team..this does barely anything. The change in team chemistry would be negligible. As far as "fit" goes, Aldridge isn't really fucking shit up or anything so why the need to change? Its change for the sake of change, not something with a well thought out plan.

As for Lillard being that #1...yeah, you really don't trade your current #1 in his prime unless you get a real #1 back that will make a difference. this whole thought process is pretty stupid.

You get horford, nothing is different....except you introduce somewhat of an unknown. I'm fine with LA's production here...see no need to change it. Like I said...get a starting center and fill the bench out and we'll be fine.

A defensive anchor in middle changes a lot.

The whole don't trade your #1 thing is silly to me unless your #1 can prove that he can win being #1. Shit, Aldridge doesn't even want to be #1. He wants to be the guy who lays back and shoots jumpers.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

its still basically going to be a non-factor in improving...i mean does replacing Horford with LA suddenly make us a playoff team? I don't think so.

There is decent chemistry and camraderie there with LA and the rest of the guys.

This trade doesn't do anything at all.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

A defensive anchor in middle changes a lot.

The whole don't trade your #1 thing is silly to me unless your #1 can prove that he can win being #1. Shit, Aldridge doesn't even want to be #1. He wants to be the guy who lays back and shoots jumpers.

Who's the defensive anchor? Horford? Not a huge upgrade there like you claim, you've gotta remember right next to him is J-smooth...who IS a defensive stud. Different systems.

 

[MickZagger]

its still basically going to be a non-factor in improving...i mean does replacing Horford with LA suddenly make us a playoff team? I don't think so.

There is decent chemistry and camraderie there with LA and the rest of the guys.

This trade doesn't do anything at all.

I think so. I think you're completely underestimating the importance of having a great defender in the paint is. The scoring numbers are basically the same when you look at the percentages.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I think so. I think you're completely underestimating the importance of having a great defender in the paint is. The scoring numbers are basically the same when you look at the percentages.

Aldridge blocks more shots than Horford.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

and this whole "defensive liability" bullshit was used to drive ZBO out of town too. he seemed to have adapted to a system quite nicely.

 

[MickZagger]

Who's the defensive anchor? Horford? Not a huge upgrade there like you claim, you've gotta remember right next to him is J-smooth...who IS a defensive stud. Different systems.

Why do you think Smith gets all his help side blocks?

http://hawkshoop.com/smith-horford-keys-to-atlantas-no-1-defensive-rating/

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

...so....who is going to be the Josh Smith on Portland?

 

[jlprk]

and this whole "defensive liability" bullshit was used to drive ZBO out of town too. he seemed to have adapted to a system quite nicely.

We got nothing for Zach. This new scenario assumes we would get someone good for Aldridge. So, no comparison.

 

[MickZagger]

and this whole "defensive liability" bullshit was used to drive ZBO out of town too. he seemed to have adapted to a system quite nicely.

Z-Bo drove himself out of town. He makes it out of the 1st round one time in 13 years and everybody uses him as an example.

Well look at Z-Bo.

 

[MickZagger]

...so....who is going to be the Josh Smith on Portland?

At least with Horford you got one piece of the puzzle.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

At least with Horford you got one piece of the puzzle.

Its not an upgrade or a piece of the puzzle....at that position, the piece of the puzzle fits fine. Its basically a lateral move in the best case scenario. Worst case scenario, you lose your go-to guy and disrupt team chemistry.

 

[MickZagger]

Its not an upgrade or a piece of the puzzle....at that position, the piece of the puzzle fits fine. Its basically a lateral move in the best case scenario. Worst case scenario, you lose your go-to guy and disrupt team chemistry.

Loyalty to our "go-to" guy that hasn't gotten us anywhere. Sometimes you got to flip the script and try something else. Horford's a baller that would change the complexion of our defense and we would get the same kind of production in less touches.

Add one more piece to a

Lillard
Matthews
Batum
Horford
Leonard

Maynor
Claver
more depth.

That's a damn good team and much better defensively.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Loyalty to our "go-to" guy that hasn't gotten us anywhere. Sometimes you got to flip the script and try something else. Horford's a baller that would change the complexion of our defense and we would get the same kind of production in less touches.

Add one more piece to a

Lillard
Matthews
Batum
Horford
Leonard

Maynor
Claver
more depth.

That's a damn good team and much better defensively.

Its essentially the same fucking team. You're throwing darts at a wall and hoping they stick. And it won't because there isn't an upgrade of talent or anything else, like I said, a wash. You lose a more legit goto option...yeah, let's "spin the dice" of this failed experiment after what....1.5 seasons of LA as "the man"? Yeah, we've given it enough time here. Especially when you have an extreme lack of talent on the team to begin with.

 

[MickZagger]

Its essentially the same fucking team. You're throwing darts at a wall and hoping they stick. And it won't because there isn't an upgrade of talent or anything else, like I said, a wash.

Do you not value defense, like, at all?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Do you not value defense, like, at all?

sure, defense is great but you can't just have a team of great defenders who won't score. But you're making it seem like Horford is a Dwight Howard level defender when his presence isn't going to make that huge of a difference on the team.

I mean unless you can find a blog written by an Atlanta Hawks fan which is going off about how he is.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

I mean what is the huge diff. LA blocks more shots than Horford...what does horford do, is he better at "pushing players" out of position or something abstract and obscure that will lead us to be a defensive juggernaut?

If LA was next to Josh Smith, would Smith automatically become a piss poor defender because of it?

 

[VanillaGorilla]

Horford isn't a go to guy. He doesn't need to be the go to guy, and neither does Aldridge. I'd feel infinitely more comfortable with LaMarcus having an isolation called for him at the end of a game than I would if it were Horford.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Loyalty to our "go-to" guy that hasn't gotten us anywhere. Sometimes you got to flip the script and try something else. Horford's a baller that would change the complexion of our defense and we would get the same kind of production in less touches.

Add one more piece to a

Lillard
Matthews
Batum
Horford
Leonard

Maynor
Claver
more depth.

That's a damn good team and much better defensively.

I haven't looked at numbers or watched his games, but is Horford an upgrade over LaMarcus on defense? I ask because Leonard has not shown any progress on defense, and wasn't very good at it in college either.

 

[MickZagger]

I mean what is the huge diff. LA blocks more shots than Horford...what does horford do, is he better at "pushing players" out of position or something abstract and obscure that will lead us to be a defensive juggernaut?

If LA was next to Josh Smith, would Smith automatically become a piss poor defender because of it?

lol at people who want to decide if a players a good defender or not by looking at blocked shots.

 

[Mediocre Man]

lol at people who want to decide if a players a good defender or not by looking at blocked shots.

Ya, blocked shots are simply 1 way to help determine if a player is good defensively

 

[Rhal]

I mean what is the huge diff. LA blocks more shots than Horford...what does horford do, is he better at "pushing players" out of position or something abstract and obscure that will lead us to be a defensive juggernaut?

If LA was next to Josh Smith, would Smith automatically become a piss poor defender because of it?

He is better at help D and clogs the lane a bit more. He isn't as good offensively but does attack the rim more. I completely agree with everything you and pinwheel have said about it being a lateral move at best. This doesn't move the needle and is a pointless topic because were not going anywhere not because of LA but because we have the worst bench in NBA HISTORY not because of anything else.

 

[MickZagger]

Horford tonight against Utah:

32pts, 15rebs, 3asts and 5 blks.

Scrub!

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Horford tonight against Utah:

32pts, 15rebs, 3asts and 5 blks.

Scrub!

But, but, LMA is worth more.

MOAR!

 

[magnifier661]

Horford tonight against Utah:

32pts, 15rebs, 3asts and 5 blks.

Scrub!

I would love to have horford. I would not be upset if we traded Aldridge for him.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Well half your wish came true.

 

[BonesJones]

Well half your wish came true.

These bumps gotta stop.

 

[Mediocre Man]

These bumps gotta stop.

They used to be against the rules.