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WASHINGTON — The chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, using a little-known provision in the federal tax code, formally requested on Wednesday that the I.R.S. hand over six years of President Trump’s personal and business tax returns, starting what is likely to be a momentous fight with his administration.

Representative Richard E. Neal, Democrat of Massachusetts, hand-delivered a two-page letter laying out the request to Charles P. Rettig, the Internal Revenue Service commissioner, ending months of speculation about when he would do so and almost certainly prompting a legal challenge from the Trump administration.

Responding to questions from reporters in the Oval Office, Mr. Trump suggested that he would fight the request because, he said, he was being audited.

“I guess when you have a name, you are audited, but until such time as I’m not under audit I would not be inclined to do that,” he said.

The move by Mr. Neal came as other panels controlled by House Democrats were flexing their muscles. The House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday morning authorized its chairman to use a subpoena to try to force the Justice Department to give Congress a full copy of the special counsel’s report and all of the underlying evidence used to reach his conclusions on Russian interference in the 2016 election.

And the chairman of the House Oversight and Reform Committee said that he would soon ask for a vote on a subpoena of his own to compel Mazars USA, an accounting firm tied to the president, to produce a decade’s worth of Mr. Trump’s financial records.

“They have told us that they will provide the information pretty much when they have a subpoena,” the chairman, Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, told reporters. “And we’ll get them a subpoena.”

Unlike the chairmen of other committees, Mr. Neal is not relying on a subpoena or standard congressional processes. Instead, he is invoking an authority enshrined in the tax code granted only to the tax-writing committees in Congress that gives the chairmen of the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Finance Committee the power to request tax information on any filer.

Mr. Neal gave the agency until April 10 to comply with the request, and if he receives the information, he will then confidentially review it with his committee staff.

The provision, which dates in some form to the Teapot Dome scandal of Warren G. Harding’s administration, at least on its face gives the Trump administration little room to decline a request like Mr. Neal’s. It only says that the Treasury secretary “shall” furnish the information.

“President Trump is the first president in nearly a half century to break precedent and refuse to voluntarily release his tax returns,” said Representative Dan Kildee, Democrat of Michigan and a member of the Ways and Means Committee. “The president is the only person who can sign bills into law, and the public deserves to know whether the president’s personal financial interests affect his public decision making.”

The Treasury Department and the I.R.S. did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

But Democrats anticipate that the Trump administration will object to the request and force the matter into the courts, where its adjudication could take months or longer. Though the provision — No. 6103 in the tax code — is invoked frequently by the committee, there is little precedent for using it to view the returns of a president who has not invited the scrutiny.

Republicans have vigorously argued against the request, saying that whatever justification Democrats produce will belie their true intent: to fish for information that could embarrass the president politically.

A New York Times investigation showed that the president engaged in suspect tax schemes as he reaped riches from his father.]

Mr. Neal said he was making the request as part of his committee’s oversight of “the extent to which the I.R.S. audits and enforces the federal tax laws against a president.” Under I.R.S. policy, the personal tax returns of presidents and vice presidents are supposed to be automatically audited each year. Mr. Neal said the committee was considering legislation related to the issue.

“I take the authority to make this request very seriously, and I approach it with the utmost care and respect,” Mr. Neal said in a statement. “This request is about policy, not politics; my preparations were made on my own track and timeline, entirely independent of other activities in Congress and the administration.”

He added, “I trust that in this spirit, the I.R.S. will comply with federal law and furnish me with the requested documents in a timely manner.”

In addition to Mr. Trump’s personal returns for 2013 to 2018, Mr. Neal requested returns for Mr. Trump’s trust and seven other core Trump business entities that control scores of other Trump operations, including his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. He also asked the I.R.S. to share any information it had related to the entities, including whether they had been audited.

Liberal Democrats have complained for weeks that Mr. Neal, 70 and a roll-up-your-sleeves legislator, was dragging his feet on making the request. They have organized events in his district, taken out advertisements and produced legal briefs meant to make a case that he should act and act quickly.

Mr. Neal said throughout that he was chiefly concerned with crafting a request, alongside the House general counsel and the Ways and Means Committee staff, that could withstand legal challenge.

“I am certain we are within our legitimate legislative, legal and oversight rights,” he said on Wednesday.

In the Judiciary Committee, the chairman, Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, said he would not immediately issue the subpoena for the Mueller report. But the party-line vote won by Democrats who control the committee ratchets up pressure on Attorney General William P. Barr as he decides how much of the nearly 400-page report to share with lawmakers.

“I will give him time to change his mind,” Mr. Nadler said in his opening statement. “But if we cannot reach an accommodation, then we will have no choice but to issue subpoenas for these materials.”

The committee also approved subpoenas for five former White House aides who Democrats said were relevant to an investigation into possible obstruction of justice, abuse of power and corruption within the Trump administration.

They included Donald F. McGahn II, a former White House counsel; Stephen K. Bannon, the president’s former chief strategist; Hope Hicks, a former White House communications director; Reince Priebus, the president’s first chief of staff; and Annie Donaldson, a deputy of Mr. McGahn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/politics/mueller-report-subpoena-house.html
 
WASHINGTON — The chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, using a little-known provision in the federal tax code, formally requested on Wednesday that the I.R.S. hand over six years of President Trump’s personal and business tax returns, starting what is likely to be a momentous fight with his administration.

Representative Richard E. Neal, Democrat of Massachusetts, hand-delivered a two-page letter laying out the request to Charles P. Rettig, the Internal Revenue Service commissioner, ending months of speculation about when he would do so and almost certainly prompting a legal challenge from the Trump administration.

Responding to questions from reporters in the Oval Office, Mr. Trump suggested that he would fight the request because, he said, he was being audited.

“I guess when you have a name, you are audited, but until such time as I’m not under audit I would not be inclined to do that,” he said.

The move by Mr. Neal came as other panels controlled by House Democrats were flexing their muscles. The House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday morning authorized its chairman to use a subpoena to try to force the Justice Department to give Congress a full copy of the special counsel’s report and all of the underlying evidence used to reach his conclusions on Russian interference in the 2016 election.

And the chairman of the House Oversight and Reform Committee said that he would soon ask for a vote on a subpoena of his own to compel Mazars USA, an accounting firm tied to the president, to produce a decade’s worth of Mr. Trump’s financial records.

“They have told us that they will provide the information pretty much when they have a subpoena,” the chairman, Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, told reporters. “And we’ll get them a subpoena.”

Unlike the chairmen of other committees, Mr. Neal is not relying on a subpoena or standard congressional processes. Instead, he is invoking an authority enshrined in the tax code granted only to the tax-writing committees in Congress that gives the chairmen of the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Finance Committee the power to request tax information on any filer.

Mr. Neal gave the agency until April 10 to comply with the request, and if he receives the information, he will then confidentially review it with his committee staff.

The provision, which dates in some form to the Teapot Dome scandal of Warren G. Harding’s administration, at least on its face gives the Trump administration little room to decline a request like Mr. Neal’s. It only says that the Treasury secretary “shall” furnish the information.

“President Trump is the first president in nearly a half century to break precedent and refuse to voluntarily release his tax returns,” said Representative Dan Kildee, Democrat of Michigan and a member of the Ways and Means Committee. “The president is the only person who can sign bills into law, and the public deserves to know whether the president’s personal financial interests affect his public decision making.”

The Treasury Department and the I.R.S. did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

But Democrats anticipate that the Trump administration will object to the request and force the matter into the courts, where its adjudication could take months or longer. Though the provision — No. 6103 in the tax code — is invoked frequently by the committee, there is little precedent for using it to view the returns of a president who has not invited the scrutiny.

Republicans have vigorously argued against the request, saying that whatever justification Democrats produce will belie their true intent: to fish for information that could embarrass the president politically.

A New York Times investigation showed that the president engaged in suspect tax schemes as he reaped riches from his father.]

Mr. Neal said he was making the request as part of his committee’s oversight of “the extent to which the I.R.S. audits and enforces the federal tax laws against a president.” Under I.R.S. policy, the personal tax returns of presidents and vice presidents are supposed to be automatically audited each year. Mr. Neal said the committee was considering legislation related to the issue.

“I take the authority to make this request very seriously, and I approach it with the utmost care and respect,” Mr. Neal said in a statement. “This request is about policy, not politics; my preparations were made on my own track and timeline, entirely independent of other activities in Congress and the administration.”

He added, “I trust that in this spirit, the I.R.S. will comply with federal law and furnish me with the requested documents in a timely manner.”


In addition to Mr. Trump’s personal returns for 2013 to 2018, Mr. Neal requested returns for Mr. Trump’s trust and seven other core Trump business entities that control scores of other Trump operations, including his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. He also asked the I.R.S. to share any information it had related to the entities, including whether they had been audited.

Liberal Democrats have complained for weeks that Mr. Neal, 70 and a roll-up-your-sleeves legislator, was dragging his feet on making the request. They have organized events in his district, taken out advertisements and produced legal briefs meant to make a case that he should act and act quickly.

Mr. Neal said throughout that he was chiefly concerned with crafting a request, alongside the House general counsel and the Ways and Means Committee staff, that could withstand legal challenge.

“I am certain we are within our legitimate legislative, legal and oversight rights,” he said on Wednesday.

In the Judiciary Committee, the chairman, Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, said he would not immediately issue the subpoena for the Mueller report. But the party-line vote won by Democrats who control the committee ratchets up pressure on Attorney General William P. Barr as he decides how much of the nearly 400-page report to share with lawmakers.

“I will give him time to change his mind,” Mr. Nadler said in his opening statement. “But if we cannot reach an accommodation, then we will have no choice but to issue subpoenas for these materials.”

The committee also approved subpoenas for five former White House aides who Democrats said were relevant to an investigation into possible obstruction of justice, abuse of power and corruption within the Trump administration.

They included Donald F. McGahn II, a former White House counsel; Stephen K. Bannon, the president’s former chief strategist; Hope Hicks, a former White House communications director; Reince Priebus, the president’s first chief of staff; and Annie Donaldson, a deputy of Mr. McGahn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/politics/mueller-report-subpoena-house.html

Nadler is a fool.
 
WASHINGTON — The chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, using a little-known provision in the federal tax code, formally requested on Wednesday that the I.R.S. hand over six years of President Trump’s personal and business tax returns, starting what is likely to be a momentous fight with his administration.

Representative Richard E. Neal, Democrat of Massachusetts, hand-delivered a two-page letter laying out the request to Charles P. Rettig, the Internal Revenue Service commissioner, ending months of speculation about when he would do so and almost certainly prompting a legal challenge from the Trump administration.

Responding to questions from reporters in the Oval Office, Mr. Trump suggested that he would fight the request because, he said, he was being audited.

“I guess when you have a name, you are audited, but until such time as I’m not under audit I would not be inclined to do that,” he said.

The move by Mr. Neal came as other panels controlled by House Democrats were flexing their muscles. The House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday morning authorized its chairman to use a subpoena to try to force the Justice Department to give Congress a full copy of the special counsel’s report and all of the underlying evidence used to reach his conclusions on Russian interference in the 2016 election.

And the chairman of the House Oversight and Reform Committee said that he would soon ask for a vote on a subpoena of his own to compel Mazars USA, an accounting firm tied to the president, to produce a decade’s worth of Mr. Trump’s financial records.

“They have told us that they will provide the information pretty much when they have a subpoena,” the chairman, Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, told reporters. “And we’ll get them a subpoena.”

Unlike the chairmen of other committees, Mr. Neal is not relying on a subpoena or standard congressional processes. Instead, he is invoking an authority enshrined in the tax code granted only to the tax-writing committees in Congress that gives the chairmen of the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Finance Committee the power to request tax information on any filer.

Mr. Neal gave the agency until April 10 to comply with the request, and if he receives the information, he will then confidentially review it with his committee staff.

The provision, which dates in some form to the Teapot Dome scandal of Warren G. Harding’s administration, at least on its face gives the Trump administration little room to decline a request like Mr. Neal’s. It only says that the Treasury secretary “shall” furnish the information.

“President Trump is the first president in nearly a half century to break precedent and refuse to voluntarily release his tax returns,” said Representative Dan Kildee, Democrat of Michigan and a member of the Ways and Means Committee. “The president is the only person who can sign bills into law, and the public deserves to know whether the president’s personal financial interests affect his public decision making.”

The Treasury Department and the I.R.S. did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

But Democrats anticipate that the Trump administration will object to the request and force the matter into the courts, where its adjudication could take months or longer. Though the provision — No. 6103 in the tax code — is invoked frequently by the committee, there is little precedent for using it to view the returns of a president who has not invited the scrutiny.

Republicans have vigorously argued against the request, saying that whatever justification Democrats produce will belie their true intent: to fish for information that could embarrass the president politically.

A New York Times investigation showed that the president engaged in suspect tax schemes as he reaped riches from his father.]

Mr. Neal said he was making the request as part of his committee’s oversight of “the extent to which the I.R.S. audits and enforces the federal tax laws against a president.” Under I.R.S. policy, the personal tax returns of presidents and vice presidents are supposed to be automatically audited each year. Mr. Neal said the committee was considering legislation related to the issue.

“I take the authority to make this request very seriously, and I approach it with the utmost care and respect,” Mr. Neal said in a statement. “This request is about policy, not politics; my preparations were made on my own track and timeline, entirely independent of other activities in Congress and the administration.”

He added, “I trust that in this spirit, the I.R.S. will comply with federal law and furnish me with the requested documents in a timely manner.”

In addition to Mr. Trump’s personal returns for 2013 to 2018, Mr. Neal requested returns for Mr. Trump’s trust and seven other core Trump business entities that control scores of other Trump operations, including his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. He also asked the I.R.S. to share any information it had related to the entities, including whether they had been audited.

Liberal Democrats have complained for weeks that Mr. Neal, 70 and a roll-up-your-sleeves legislator, was dragging his feet on making the request. They have organized events in his district, taken out advertisements and produced legal briefs meant to make a case that he should act and act quickly.

Mr. Neal said throughout that he was chiefly concerned with crafting a request, alongside the House general counsel and the Ways and Means Committee staff, that could withstand legal challenge.

“I am certain we are within our legitimate legislative, legal and oversight rights,” he said on Wednesday.

In the Judiciary Committee, the chairman, Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, said he would not immediately issue the subpoena for the Mueller report. But the party-line vote won by Democrats who control the committee ratchets up pressure on Attorney General William P. Barr as he decides how much of the nearly 400-page report to share with lawmakers.

“I will give him time to change his mind,” Mr. Nadler said in his opening statement. “But if we cannot reach an accommodation, then we will have no choice but to issue subpoenas for these materials.”

The committee also approved subpoenas for five former White House aides who Democrats said were relevant to an investigation into possible obstruction of justice, abuse of power and corruption within the Trump administration.

They included Donald F. McGahn II, a former White House counsel; Stephen K. Bannon, the president’s former chief strategist; Hope Hicks, a former White House communications director; Reince Priebus, the president’s first chief of staff; and Annie Donaldson, a deputy of Mr. McGahn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/politics/mueller-report-subpoena-house.html
Looks like he's gonna get it. I wonder why Trump is so afraid of letting the rest of us see his tax returns. Doesn't that make you at least a little curious?
 
Looks like he's gonna get it. I wonder why Trump is so afraid of letting the rest of us see his tax returns. Doesn't that make you at least a little curious?
Curious yes. Unless theres reason to believe he’s doing something illegal, Im not sure why tax payers need to be responsible for the months this will be dragged out in courts though.
 
Unless theres reason to believe he’s doing something illegal

That's a bit like saying 'Unless there's reason to think that Nurk is really injured, let's just assume he's in the starting lineup.'

barfo
 
This helps Trump.

I do not see anything in Nadlers plan that will result in harm to Trump. But I don't know if helps him, having fools in position of power, certainly does not benefit Americans.
 
Again, this helps Trump. He said numerous times that he wants to share his tax returns with everyone but he can't since he's being audited. This is a way for him to get around that. He can show everyone the tax returns, like he's said he wanted to, while giving the finger to the IRS.

Win win for everyone but the IRS.

#MAGA!
 
Again, this helps Trump. He said numerous times that he wants to share his tax returns with everyone but he can't since he's being audited. This is a way for him to get around that. He can show everyone the tax returns, like he's said he wanted to, while giving the finger to the IRS.

Win win for everyone but the IRS.

#MAGA!

You know, I bet his tax returns show nothing nefarious and he's withholding them because it allows him to control the story.
 
That's a bit like saying 'Unless there's reason to think that Nurk is really injured, let's just assume he's in the starting lineup.'

barfo
Well honestly would I like his tax returns public? I guess.
Do I think he’s doing anything much more nefarious that any other 1%er? no.
Do I think its worth the massive amounts of money and time our elected officials will likely spend going after just trying to make him show the tax returns? Not really... Unless theres more to it then, “we want to see it, because we think you did something bad.”
 
WASHINGTON — The chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, using a little-known provision in the federal tax code, formally requested on Wednesday that the I.R.S. hand over six years of President Trump’s personal and business tax returns, starting what is likely to be a momentous fight with his administration.

Representative Richard E. Neal, Democrat of Massachusetts, hand-delivered a two-page letter laying out the request to Charles P. Rettig, the Internal Revenue Service commissioner, ending months of speculation about when he would do so and almost certainly prompting a legal challenge from the Trump administration.

Responding to questions from reporters in the Oval Office, Mr. Trump suggested that he would fight the request because, he said, he was being audited.

“I guess when you have a name, you are audited, but until such time as I’m not under audit I would not be inclined to do that,” he said.

The move by Mr. Neal came as other panels controlled by House Democrats were flexing their muscles. The House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday morning authorized its chairman to use a subpoena to try to force the Justice Department to give Congress a full copy of the special counsel’s report and all of the underlying evidence used to reach his conclusions on Russian interference in the 2016 election.

And the chairman of the House Oversight and Reform Committee said that he would soon ask for a vote on a subpoena of his own to compel Mazars USA, an accounting firm tied to the president, to produce a decade’s worth of Mr. Trump’s financial records.

“They have told us that they will provide the information pretty much when they have a subpoena,” the chairman, Representative Elijah E. Cummings of Maryland, told reporters. “And we’ll get them a subpoena.”

Unlike the chairmen of other committees, Mr. Neal is not relying on a subpoena or standard congressional processes. Instead, he is invoking an authority enshrined in the tax code granted only to the tax-writing committees in Congress that gives the chairmen of the House Ways and Means Committee and the Senate Finance Committee the power to request tax information on any filer.

Mr. Neal gave the agency until April 10 to comply with the request, and if he receives the information, he will then confidentially review it with his committee staff.

The provision, which dates in some form to the Teapot Dome scandal of Warren G. Harding’s administration, at least on its face gives the Trump administration little room to decline a request like Mr. Neal’s. It only says that the Treasury secretary “shall” furnish the information.

“President Trump is the first president in nearly a half century to break precedent and refuse to voluntarily release his tax returns,” said Representative Dan Kildee, Democrat of Michigan and a member of the Ways and Means Committee. “The president is the only person who can sign bills into law, and the public deserves to know whether the president’s personal financial interests affect his public decision making.”

The Treasury Department and the I.R.S. did not immediately respond to requests for comment.

But Democrats anticipate that the Trump administration will object to the request and force the matter into the courts, where its adjudication could take months or longer. Though the provision — No. 6103 in the tax code — is invoked frequently by the committee, there is little precedent for using it to view the returns of a president who has not invited the scrutiny.

Republicans have vigorously argued against the request, saying that whatever justification Democrats produce will belie their true intent: to fish for information that could embarrass the president politically.

A New York Times investigation showed that the president engaged in suspect tax schemes as he reaped riches from his father.]

Mr. Neal said he was making the request as part of his committee’s oversight of “the extent to which the I.R.S. audits and enforces the federal tax laws against a president.” Under I.R.S. policy, the personal tax returns of presidents and vice presidents are supposed to be automatically audited each year. Mr. Neal said the committee was considering legislation related to the issue.

“I take the authority to make this request very seriously, and I approach it with the utmost care and respect,” Mr. Neal said in a statement. “This request is about policy, not politics; my preparations were made on my own track and timeline, entirely independent of other activities in Congress and the administration.”

He added, “I trust that in this spirit, the I.R.S. will comply with federal law and furnish me with the requested documents in a timely manner.”

In addition to Mr. Trump’s personal returns for 2013 to 2018, Mr. Neal requested returns for Mr. Trump’s trust and seven other core Trump business entities that control scores of other Trump operations, including his golf club in Bedminster, N.J. He also asked the I.R.S. to share any information it had related to the entities, including whether they had been audited.

Liberal Democrats have complained for weeks that Mr. Neal, 70 and a roll-up-your-sleeves legislator, was dragging his feet on making the request. They have organized events in his district, taken out advertisements and produced legal briefs meant to make a case that he should act and act quickly.

Mr. Neal said throughout that he was chiefly concerned with crafting a request, alongside the House general counsel and the Ways and Means Committee staff, that could withstand legal challenge.

“I am certain we are within our legitimate legislative, legal and oversight rights,” he said on Wednesday.

In the Judiciary Committee, the chairman, Representative Jerrold Nadler of New York, said he would not immediately issue the subpoena for the Mueller report. But the party-line vote won by Democrats who control the committee ratchets up pressure on Attorney General William P. Barr as he decides how much of the nearly 400-page report to share with lawmakers.

“I will give him time to change his mind,” Mr. Nadler said in his opening statement. “But if we cannot reach an accommodation, then we will have no choice but to issue subpoenas for these materials.”

The committee also approved subpoenas for five former White House aides who Democrats said were relevant to an investigation into possible obstruction of justice, abuse of power and corruption within the Trump administration.

They included Donald F. McGahn II, a former White House counsel; Stephen K. Bannon, the president’s former chief strategist; Hope Hicks, a former White House communications director; Reince Priebus, the president’s first chief of staff; and Annie Donaldson, a deputy of Mr. McGahn.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/03/us/politics/mueller-report-subpoena-house.html

File this under amusing political crap that isn't going to happen.
 
File this under amusing political crap that isn't going to happen.

Nor should it. The law does not require this and there is no more reason for congress to pry into Trumps Taxes the yours or mine. If they wish to require this by law, then pass the law. Trump would veto it, therefore they would need a super majority to make it law. Then what good would it do us to argue over the need and value of investment tax credits, operating losses or whatever?
 
Curious yes. Unless theres reason to believe he’s doing something illegal, Im not sure why tax payers need to be responsible for the months this will be dragged out in courts though.
Hell yes there's evidence he's doing lots and lots of illegal stuff. A lot of it has to do with the, I-have-nothing-to-do-with-the-Russians, Russians.
I would like to see if there's anything indicating that he's taking money for money laundering among other things.
e.g. Why did he and his cohorts consistently lie about their dealings with the Russians?
 
Hell yes there's evidence he's doing lots and lots of illegal stuff. A lot of it has to do with the, I-have-nothing-to-do-with-the-Russians, Russians.
I would like to see if there's anything indicating that he's taking money for money laundering among other things.
e.g. Why did he and his cohorts consistently lie about their dealings with the Russians?
At this point I dont think it matters. If his tax returns are the most pristine things ever, those who oppose him will still feel exactly the same about him. If his tax returns are dirty, his supporters will continue to support him.
 
At this point I dont think it matters. If his tax returns are the most pristine things ever, those who oppose him will still feel exactly the same about him. If his tax returns are dirty, his supporters will continue to support him.
So, I fail to see the connection between looking for dirt and finding or not finding dirt. Why not see how it plays out, first?
 
Nor should it. The law does not require this

It does not require it, but it does allow it.

and there is no more reason for congress to pry into Trumps Taxes the yours or mine. If they wish to require this by law, then pass the law.

Huh? The necessary law has existed since 1924.

barfo
 
So, I fail to see the connection between looking for dirt and finding or not finding dirt. Why not see how it plays out, first?
Its simple to me. He doesnt have to release them afaik. Now were gonna spend millions and millions of dollars and elected officials time just to see his tax returns?

Like I said, I would love it if he would just release them. (he wont).
It just seems like such a huge waste of resources.

If they want to pass a law making it so all elected officials including the president have to release those documents, then ok.
 
If they want to pass a law making it so all elected officials including the president have to release those documents, then ok.

They did. He doesn't have to release them publicly, but the law says the IRS does have to provide them to Chairman Neal.

barfo
 
Well honestly would I like his tax returns public? I guess.
Do I think he’s doing anything much more nefarious that any other 1%er? no.
Do I think its worth the massive amounts of money and time our elected officials will likely spend going after just trying to make him show the tax returns? Not really... Unless theres more to it then, “we want to see it, because we think you did something bad.”
Im would have thought the paper work to fill out for running for Presidency, required a whole bunch of financial information about his and personal and corporate dealings.
 
They did. He doesn't have to release them publicly, but the law says the IRS does have to provide them to Chairman Neal.

barfo
Well yes, sort of. Now we're going to spend months going through all the court processes to see if that gets upheld or not.
I mean it would be great if Trump released them without making it take months, but that's obviously not going to happen.
 
Well yes, sort of. Now we're going to spend months going through all the court processes to see if that gets upheld or not.
I mean it would be great if Trump released them without making it take months, but that's obviously not going to happen.

So your suggestion is, anytime Trump doesn't want to follow the law, we should just let him get away with it?

What could go wrong?

barfo
 
So your suggestion is, anytime Trump doesn't want to follow the law, we should just let him get away with it?

What could go wrong?

barfo
My Suggestion is pick and choose your battles.
I dont believe this battle is worth it for tax payers.
 
My Suggestion is pick and choose your battles.
I dont believe this battle is worth it for tax payers.

I disagree on several counts.

1) If he's legally not paying his fair share, then potentially there are policy changes that could result from that, in effect lowering the burden of all other taxpayers.
2) If he's cheating on his taxes, then that fact is highly relevant since he's the President, and also the penalties and tax due might very well pay our legal costs.
3) If he's engaged in other crimes that might show up on the tax returns, also relevant.
4) I don't think that this will be a terribly difficult battle, because I think the law is fairly clear and is being used as originally intended.

barfo
 
So your suggestion is, anytime Trump doesn't want to follow the law, we should just let him get away with it?

What could go wrong?

barfo
Here's my problem with this from someone who wants to see a new president in 2020. Trump wins this battle. He fights it until they decide to not uphold the law meanwhile he and the right just position themselves like oh the left is desperate. If by some miracle in 6 months to a year they make him hand things over and they don't find anything incredible then he just points his finger and says see they're just on a witch hunt for me. The people who want him out only win if they dig into it and find something extreme, otherwise it just gives his campaign more momentum.

All this does is short term make people feel good that they're trying to dig up dirt on him.
 
I disagree on several counts.

1) If he's legally not paying his fair share, then potentially there are policy changes that could result from that, in effect lowering the burden of all other taxpayers.
2) If he's cheating on his taxes, then that fact is highly relevant since he's the President, and also the penalties and tax due might very well pay our legal costs.
3) If he's engaged in other crimes that might show up on the tax returns, also relevant.
4) I don't think that this will be a terribly difficult battle, because I think the law is fairly clear and is being used as originally intended.

barfo

I mean you're entitled to your opinion and you may be right. I just look at this and think it's "politics" and that's about it. I don't think Policies will change from it, I doubt the people he's paid to do his taxes put those crimes in writing. Even if they did, it will be like everything else with Trump, instead of blaming it all on his ex-lawyers, he'll blame it on all his accountants and businessmen who did the tax returns.
 
I mean you're entitled to your opinion and you may be right. I just look at this and think it's "politics" and that's about it. I don't think Policies will change from it, I doubt the people he's paid to do his taxes put those crimes in writing. Even if they did, it will be like everything else with Trump, instead of blaming it all on his ex-lawyers, he'll blame it on all his accountants and businessmen who did the tax returns.

Likewise, you may be right. Guess we'll see (or not, depending).

barfo
 
It does not require it, but it does allow it.



Huh? The necessary law has existed since 1924.

barfo
Also, it's been successfully invoked many times and I don't mean just a couple times.
 
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