How bad were the non-calls?

[riverman]

I take comfort that 3 Seattle Mariners players kicked team USAs butt playing for Dominica yesterday...Dominica is beasting in the competition....oops, wrong sport

 

[BLAZINGGIANTS]

Wait, people actually watch other games? Damn, I'm sorry.

Used to watch a lot of the big games. The last two years was down to mostly just Blazers games. Now, I'm down to about 7 Blazers games this year, 5-7 other games. I will always follow the Blazers, they will always be my team, but I will continue to physically watch NBA games less and less.

 

[Mediocre Man]

with 10 secs left in OT....one of those calls had more impact than the others..I think that's the point....that and Scott Foster isn't Portland's best friend anyway

Does a touch foul on the opening possession have less impact on the game than one on the final possession with the score tied?

 

[ripcityboy]

I take comfort that 3 Seattle Mariners players kicked team USAs butt playing for Dominica yesterday...Dominica is beasting in the competition....oops, wrong sport

BOOOO!!!!

 

[Rhal]

Does a touch foul on the opening possession have less impact on the game than one on the final possession with the score tied?

Yes it does, for the exact same reason that a 2p FG in the 2nd quarter is less important then one at the end of the game. Strategies and how players play varies so much depending on what is going on in that point of the game. You have time to react and change things up with 5.00 left in the second, or in the case your talking about 48m left in a game, then 10s left ect.

 

[Nate]

One of my wrestling coaches told me:

"I've never lost at any sport in my life, I've just ran out of time"

This kind of reminded me of that. I didn't see the game.

 

[riverman]

Does a touch foul on the opening possession have less impact on the game than one on the final possession with the score tied?

yes...you have time to make up the possession then

 

[Mediocre Man]

yes...you have time to make up the possession then

Nope

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Nope

Well, can't argue with that.

 

[Boob-No-More]

Does a touch foul on the opening possession have less impact on the game than one on the final possession with the score tied?

Yes, in most case it absolutely does.

On the opening possession of the game, neither team is in the bonus. So, a non-shooting touch foul won't result in free throws.

On the final possession of the game, both teams will likely be over the foul limit. So, a touch foul, even a non-shooting foul, will most likely result in free throws.

BNM

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Does a touch foul on the opening possession have less impact on the game than one on the final possession with the score tied?

yes.

 

[dviss1]

I'd like @dviss1 to weigh in here as well.

• The foul on Lillard that was the exact same type of foul that Crabbe had on Beal - no call
• The 'travel' that caused Morris to step out of bounds - no call
• The actual stepping out of bounds my Morris - no call

Like @dviss1 , I ref as well and you are going to miss some. But there were 2 refs looking right at the last 2 instances and you would hope one of them would catch one of those infractions. Between those two refs on those last two infractions, they were 0-4. There is a difference between missing some and 2 refs right on a play blowing the entire sequence of multiple violations.

I was in Bend Refereeing State
Championships. I didn't see the game. I could give video analysis though if there's some available.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yes, in most case it absolutely does.

On the opening possession of the game, neither team is in the bonus. So, a non-shooting touch foul won't result in free throws.

On the final possession of the game, both teams will likely be over the foul limit. So, a touch foul, even a non-shooting foul, will most likely result in free throws.

BNM

I was taught by a coach that believes how I do....or visa versa. A foul on the opening possession is the same because it gets you to the bonus. It gets a pkayer playing differently because of the foul. Every possession matters

 

[Orion Bailey]

I was taught by a coach that believes how I do....or visa versa. A foul on the opening possession is the same because it gets you to the bonus. It gets a pkayer playing differently because of the foul. Every possession matters

Yes. Every possession matters. Some more than others. End of discussion.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Yes. Every possession matters. Some more than others. End of discussion.

How can a missed or made basket or turnover matter more at different times? How can letting a team get an offensive putback at 2-0 be different than at 102-100?

 

[Boob-No-More]

I was taught by a coach that believes how I do....or visa versa. A foul on the opening possession is the same because it gets you to the bonus. It gets a pkayer playing differently because of the foul. Every possession matters

Every possession does matter, but if you're going to play hypotheticals, then that touch foul in the first quarter may never cause you to get to the bonus. Not every team reaches the bonus in every quarter of every game. You are much more likely to be in the bonus late in the game as teams ratchet up the intensity at both ends of the court and the trailing team is fouling for possession. There are an infinite number of different scenarios, but the way teams players and coaches play is situational. And the fact is, they play differently late in the game than they do at the beginning.

Everything slows down late in the game. Early in the game, teams spend 15 - 20, or more, seconds working for a good shot. Late in the game, they don't have that same luxury. They often need to get up a shot as quickly as possible. With the game clock winding down, the 24-second clock is shut off and we often see several possessions and lead changes within the last 24 seconds as one team is fouling for possession and trying to get up a shot ASAP. Teams call a lot more timeout late in a game to set up specific plays. With many more clock stoppages (due to time outs and fouls) you also see a lot more offensive/defensive substitutions late in games than you do at the beginning.

Sure, every possession matters, but with more possessions in less clock time, the late possessions (in a close game) matter more. What teams do in 20 seconds in the first quarter, they often try to cram into 2 or 3 seconds in the closing seconds of a close game. No team down 4 with 20 seconds left is going to milk the shot clock for 20 seconds, like they routinely do in the first quarter. They are going to call time out, go for a quick strike and immediately foul on the inbound pass. Something you never see in the first quarter of any game.

BNM