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Portland2014

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Last three games, arguably the most important games of the season:
5/14
5/20
7/21

I mean, we all know that he will always have that good stretch of games after the ASG, but the NBA season is not the 10/15 games after the ASG, it's 82 games.

Great players are the ones who can turn it around when it matters most, Lillard just isn't that good.
His performances are depending on his jump shot who is not consistent and he doesn't have the body/athleticism of a Westbrook to make up for his bad shooting nights or even the court vision of a John Wall.

Look, it's not a question of being a fan or being a hater, i'm the first who would like to put Lillard in the same conversation as Curry, Westbrook, CP3 but it's clear that he's not worthy, with him as "Batman" we're battling for an 8th seed.

It's not Nurkic absence guys, he's not a superstar either, it's the fact that Lillard is not good enough to carry us like Westbrook or Harden are doing.

aren't you guys tired of watching Lillard jack up shots against real competition?

LOOK AT HIS CAREER RECORD AND SHOOTING % AGAINST CP3:
http://www.basketball-reference.com...yer_id2_select=Chris+Paul&player_id2=paulch01
 
yeah guys, make it personal, what's important is to hide the reality of facts.
 
Portland2014 said:
Last three games, arguably the most important games of the season:
5/14
5/20
7/21

I mean, we all know that he will always have that good stretch of games after the ASG, but the NBA season is not the 10/15 games after the ASG, it's 82 games.

Great players are the ones who can turn it around when it matters most, Lillard just isn't that good.
His performances are depending on his jump shot who is not consistent and he doesn't have the body/athleticism of a Westbrook to make up for his bad shooting nights or even the court vision of a John Wall.

Look, it's not a question of being a fan or being a hater, i'm the first who would like to put Lillard in the same conversation as Curry, Westbrook, CP3 but it's clear that he's not worthy, with him as "Batman" we're battling for an 8th seed.

It's not Nurkic absence guys, he's not a superstar either, it's the fact that Lillard is not good enough to carry us like Westbrook or Harden are doing.

aren't you guys tired of watching Lillard jack up shots against real competition?

LOOK AT HIS CAREER RECORD AND SHOOTING % AGAINST CP3:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1_hint=Damian Lillard&player_id1_select=Damian Lillard&player_id1=lillada01&player_id2_hint=Chris Paul&player_id2_select=Chris Paul&player_id2=paulch01
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So, bizarre. I posted this n another thread earlier today, but it's also 100% applicable here:

You are such a disingenuous troll. If Lillard was missing as many shots and turning the ball over anywhere near as much as Westbrook, you'd be posting several times a day about his shitting shot selection and careless play. Instead, you're on here slurping Westbrook's nuts.

Just look at these numbers:

Missed shots:
Westbrook = 1075
Lillard = 797

Turnovers:
Westbrook = 424
Lillard = 193

So, until Lillard starts missing 50% more shots and starts committing twice as many TOVs, you have zero right to ever criticize him ever again in this forum.

But we both know you will. It's your same tedious, tired, boring trollish act. It defines you as a poster.

P.S. We won tonight. Why are you posting? Did you miss the 4th quarter and assume we lost?

BNM
 
The truth or what Blazers fans like to believe?

Lillard wasn't even an All Star the last two years, but it's easier to call it a snub instead of analizing the fact that there's more deserving guys.
 
Sure, Damian picked a bad time to go into a shooting slump, but he is still having his best season ever as a Blazer. So my question would be, what is there not to believe in?
 
Portland2014 said:
The truth or what Blazers fans like to believe?

Lillard wasn't even an All Star the last two years, but it's easier to call it a snub instead of analizing the fact that there's more deserving guys.
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And, another fact I posted earlier today for the Lillard haters:

If Dame shot the ball as much as Westbrook, based on his superior shooting percentages, he'd be averaging 33.9 ppg. That would be the second highest scoring average in the last 29 years.

BNM
 
Road Ratt said:
Sure, Damian picked a bad time to go into a shooting slump, but he is still having his best season ever as a Blazer. So my question would be, what is there not to believe in?
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How many shooting slumps does he have every season? TOO MANY!!! it's not shooting slumps, it's the fact that he's not a good shooter.

and think about that: his best season as a Blazer is so good that he's not even an all star and he's competing for a 8th seed against a team who have a 2nd year player as a franchise player.
 
Portland2014 said:
How many shooting slumps does he haveevery season? TOO MANY!!! it's not shooting slumps, it's the fact that he's not a good shooter.

and think about that: his best season as a Blazer is so good that he's not an all star and he's competing for a 8th seed against a team who have a 2nd year player as a franchise player.
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His shooting percentages across the board are better than Westbrook's, and it's not really close:

Damian Lillard:
2FG% = .492
3FG% = .368
FT% = .895

Russell Westbrook:
2FG% = .460
3FG% = .347
FT% = .841

But Dame is not a good shooter and Westbrook is?

Is that all you got troll? That's just fucking weak.

BNM
 
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Portland2014 said:
Last three games, arguably the most important games of the season:
5/14
5/20
7/21

I mean, we all know that he will always have that good stretch of games after the ASG, but the NBA season is not the 10/15 games after the ASG, it's 82 games.

Great players are the ones who can turn it around when it matters most, Lillard just isn't that good.
His performances are depending on his jump shot who is not consistent and he doesn't have the body/athleticism of a Westbrook to make up for his bad shooting nights or even the court vision of a John Wall.

Look, it's not a question of being a fan or being a hater, i'm the first who would like to put Lillard in the same conversation as Curry, Westbrook, CP3 but it's clear that he's not worthy, with him as "Batman" we're battling for an 8th seed.

It's not Nurkic absence guys, he's not a superstar either, it's the fact that Lillard is not good enough to carry us like Westbrook or Harden are doing.

aren't you guys tired of watching Lillard jack up shots against real competition?

LOOK AT HIS CAREER RECORD AND SHOOTING % AGAINST CP3:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1_hint=Damian Lillard&player_id1_select=Damian Lillard&player_id1=lillada01&player_id2_hint=Chris Paul&player_id2_select=Chris Paul&player_id2=paulch01
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Did you mean to be so rude?

Since you know it all, you should know when to shut the f**k up.

Try being informed instead of being opinionated

Next time I need an unsolicited and uninformed opinion I will know where to go.

And thanks for your faulty opinion. I will file it right between “Don’t give a flying f*ck”, and “sucks to be you”.
 
I never said that Westbrook is a good shooter, but still... go ahead with your meaningless raw statistics...
 
Portland2014 said:
How many shooting slumps does he have every season? TOO MANY!!! it's not shooting slumps, it's the fact that he's not a good shooter.

and think about that: his best season as a Blazer is so good that he's not even an all star and he's competing for a 8th seed against a team who have a 2nd year player as a franchise player.
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You can't be serious. Damian has been our one shining spot throughout his career as a Blazer. He may have some shooting slumps but if he had as many as you make it sound he wouldn't currently be our best player.

He isn't an all star because the west is loaded with great point guards and to make the all stars you usually need to be on a winning team which hasn't been the case the last few seasons.

Your arguments are falling flat dood.
 
Portland2014 said:
Refresh you statistical knowledge:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.fcgi?request=1&sum=0&player_id1_hint=Damian Lillard&player_id1_select=Damian Lillard&y1=2017&player_id1=lillada01&player_id2_hint=Russell Westbrook&player_id2_select=Russell Westbrook&y2=2017&player_id2=westbru01

Look at BPM.
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LOL, that's fucking hilarious. If you're going to quote a stat, at least try to understand what it means and how it's calculated. BPM is calculated by multiplying AST% by USG%. Westbrook is such an incredible ballhog, and based on his shitty shooting percentages, the most inefficient one in NBA history, so of course his BPM is high. It doesn't mean he's the greatest, it just means he uses possessions at a higher rate than anyone in the history of the NBA. BTW, USG% also includes missed shots and TOVs as used possessions. So, yeah, that's why Westbrook's USG% and BPM are so ridiculously high.

One thing that gets overlooked in all these video game numbers is the negative records Harden and Westbrook are also setting. They have both completely shattered the NBA single season record for turnovers. Harden set the record last year with 374 TOVs. The previous record was 366 set by Artis Gilmore in 1977-78. This year, Harden is at 444 TOVs and counting and Westbrook is at 424.

Westbrook is also missing field goals at a rate that has not been seen on a regular basis since the early 1960s. By the end of the season, he will have missed around 1130 shots - a number exceeded only one time each by Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant (who both scored considerably more and shot the ball better).

And since missed shots and TOVs figure into USG%, Westbrook is about to completely shatter the NBA record for USG%. He came close to setting the record two seasons ago when Durant missed 59 games when he had a USG% of 38.37, second only to Kobe's 38.74 and ahead of Jordan's career high of 38.29. The difference is both those players scored a lot more and did so more efficiently.

Based on Westbrook's season to date, here's the four highest USG% seasons in NBA history, and their associated scoring averages:

Russell Westbrook - 2016-17, USG% - 41.7, Scoring Average = 31.8 ppg
Kobe Bryant - 2005-06, USG% - 38.7, Scoring Average = 35.4 ppg
Russell Westbrook - 2014-15, USG% - 38.4, Scoring Average = 28.1 ppg
Michael Jordan - 1986-87, USG% - 38.3, Scoring Average = 37.1 ppg

This will tempt the Westrook fan boys to point out that by comparing Westbrook to Michael and Kobe I am just reinforcing he is one of the greatest players in the history of the game. Not so. This is not a favorable comparison. Westbrook's ridiculous USG%, number of TOVs and missed shots prove than he's not only the biggest ball hog in NBA history, but also, by a very wide margin, the least efficient. Look at how much lower his scoring averages are than Kobe's and Michael's for comparable usage rates.

BNM
 
Portland2014 said:
How many shooting slumps does he have every season? TOO MANY!!! it's not shooting slumps, it's the fact that he's not a good shooter.

and think about that: his best season as a Blazer is so good that he's not even an all star and he's competing for a 8th seed against a team who have a 2nd year player as a franchise player.
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I know I'm feeding the fucking troll under the bridge but riddle me this: How in the hell do you say Dame is not a good shooter when he has a way better percentage ACROSS-THE-BOARD than Russell Westbrook whose balls are currently in your throat?
 
dviss1 said:
I know I'm feeding the fucking troll under the bridge but riddle me this: How in the hell do you say Dame is not a good shooter when he has a way better percentage ACROSS-THE-BOARD than Russell Westbrook whose balls are currently in your throat?
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Something, something Russ has a bigger load to carry. (Typical Westbrick response despite OKC having more talent than us).
 
dviss1 said:
I know I'm feeding the fucking troll under the bridge but riddle me this: How in the hell do you say Dame is not a good shooter when he has a way better percentage ACROSS-THE-BOARD than Russell Westbrook whose balls are currently in your throat?
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Because that's what trolls do. They toss out complete fallacies like they are facts just to get a reaction. He doesn't even believe Dame is a bad shooter. How could he, the numbers prove otherwise and it's not even slightly disputable. He just does this shit to get the attention that's otherwise lacking in his sad, pathetic life.

BNM
 
Portland2014 said:
Last three games, arguably the most important games of the season:
5/14
5/20
7/21

I mean, we all know that he will always have that good stretch of games after the ASG, but the NBA season is not the 10/15 games after the ASG, it's 82 games.

Great players are the ones who can turn it around when it matters most, Lillard just isn't that good.
His performances are depending on his jump shot who is not consistent and he doesn't have the body/athleticism of a Westbrook to make up for his bad shooting nights or even the court vision of a John Wall.

Look, it's not a question of being a fan or being a hater, i'm the first who would like to put Lillard in the same conversation as Curry, Westbrook, CP3 but it's clear that he's not worthy, with him as "Batman" we're battling for an 8th seed.

It's not Nurkic absence guys, he's not a superstar either, it's the fact that Lillard is not good enough to carry us like Westbrook or Harden are doing.

aren't you guys tired of watching Lillard jack up shots against real competition?

LOOK AT HIS CAREER RECORD AND SHOOTING % AGAINST CP3:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/h2h_finder.cgi?request=1&player_id1_hint=Damian Lillard&player_id1_select=Damian Lillard&player_id1=lillada01&player_id2_hint=Chris Paul&player_id2_select=Chris Paul&player_id2=paulch01
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Now THIS GUY is a Lillard hater. Even I'm offended lol.. Lillard isn't that bad trust me I would know
 
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