Exclusive How Crabbe's Deal Affects the Blazers Financial Future

[BonesJones]

https://www.blazersland.com/how-crabbes-deal-affects-the-blazers-financial-future/

The only way that the Blazers would have any cap space next summer is if they let Crabbe, Leonard, and Plumlee go. Even then, they’d only have $5M in cap space, or $12M if they let go of Ezeli. That’s not enough cap space to justify letting numerous role players walk free. In terms of cap space, Crabbe’s $18M doesn’t hurt the Blazers as is is likely they won’t have cap space regardless. However, Paul Allen’s check book may take a beating. The Blazers will have to let one of Plumlee, Leonard, or Crabbe go or it would result in a luxury tax payment of over $40M. There's no way Paul Allen will pay that much on top of a $142M payroll. Therefore, if Crabbe is kept only one of the Leonard/Plumlee duo will be able to stay a Blazer.

 

[Cippy91]

Basically might as well match it since we are fucked next summer anyways because we could use Crabbe in the future as a trade asset. I say match Crabbe also because obviously he has a ton of value. Match Hark and let Meyers walk

 

[Blazers Roy]

Maybe we could trade Crabbe,draft pick,Aminu\Hark for Cousins or Vucevic ?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Maybe we could trade Crabbe,draft pick,Aminu\Hark for Cousins or Vucevic ?

This. Maybe or not, but you need to keep assets

 

[BonesJones]

Maybe we could trade Crabbe,draft pick,Aminu\Hark for Cousins or Vucevic ?

Based on CBA rules, that trade couldn't happen until after December 15th.

I do think Crabbe would have a lot of value to the Kings though, who need a long-term starting SG.

Here's a possible 3-Team Trade:
POR Gets: DeMarcus Cousins, Ben McLemore, Omri Caspi
CHI Gets: Mason Plumlee
SAC Gets: Meyers Leonard, Allen Crabbe, Noah Vonleh, '17 POR 1st, '17 CHI 1st, '18 CLE 1st

Lillard (36) / Turner (12)
CJ (36) / McLemore (12)
Turner (18) / Harkless (20) / Aminu (10)
Aminu (18) / Davis (20) / Cousins (10)
Cousins (26) / Ezeli (22)

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Based on CBA rules, that trade couldn't happen until after December 15th.

I do think Crabbe would have a lot of value to the Kings though, who need a long-term starting SG.

Here's a possible 3-Team Trade:
POR Gets: DeMarcus Cousins, Ben McLemore, Omri Caspi
CHI Gets: Mason Plumlee
SAC Gets: Meyers Leonard, Allen Crabbe, Noah Vonleh, '17 POR 1st, '17 CHI 1st, '18 CLE 1st

Lillard (36) / Turner (12)
CJ (36) / McLemore (12)
Turner (18) / Harkless (20) / Aminu (10)
Aminu (18) / Davis (20) / Cousins (10)
Cousins (26) / Ezeli (22)

I believe that if a free agent is signed using an exception (ie, not cap space), it's January 15th.

 

[Blazers Roy]

Based on CBA rules, that trade couldn't happen until after December 15th.

I do think Crabbe would have a lot of value to the Kings though, who need a long-term starting SG.

Here's a possible 3-Team Trade:
POR Gets: DeMarcus Cousins, Ben McLemore, Omri Caspi
CHI Gets: Mason Plumlee
SAC Gets: Meyers Leonard, Allen Crabbe, Noah Vonleh, '17 POR 1st, '17 CHI 1st, '18 CLE 1st

Lillard (36) / Turner (12)
CJ (36) / McLemore (12)
Turner (18) / Harkless (20) / Aminu (10)
Aminu (18) / Davis (20) / Cousins (10)
Cousins (26) / Ezeli (22)

I think Sac are kinda getting robbed in this trade, Chicago has Lopez now so i'm not sure why they'll be interested in Plumlee.
I hear Boston are looking for a frontcourt guy next to Horford and are willing to trade Smart.

POR Gets: DeMarcus Cousins, Kosta Koufos
BOS Gets: Mason Plumlee
SAC Gets: Smart, Allen Crabbe, Noah Vonleh, Leonard\Aminu\Hark,'17 POR 1st, BOS pick, '18 CLE 1st

Or you can cut Boston if the kings prefer Plums instead of Smart.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

Here's a look at this year and next year, with projections of 10M for Harkless, Leonard taking the QO, a max for CJ next year, and Plums getting 15M to start next year.

Let me know if you'd like to see how any other adjustments might affect the numbers.

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So Paul Allen pays 58 MIL in tax if we don't trade one of Crabbe or Plumlee within a year a half?

I understand this is a team on the rise but this isn't a championship caliber team. I don't see him paying anywhere near that in tax out of pocket. Even the Russian guy bailed after the tax payments go too high.

We either don't match on Crabbe or Plumlee is traded very soon.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Updated figures factoring in Turner & Ezeli signings, Napier acquisition, and Crabbe offer sheet, projecting a potential sheet for Harkless, Meyers taking QO, 2017 max for CJ, and deal starting at 15m for Plumlee in 2017.

Let me know if you'd like to see how any other alterations would affect the figures.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

So Paul Allen pays 58 MIL in tax if we don't trade one of Crabbe or Plumlee within a year a half?

I understand this is a team on the rise but this isn't a championship caliber team. I don't see him paying anywhere near that in tax out of pocket. Even the Russian guy bailed after the tax payments go too high.

We either don't match on Crabbe or Plumlee is traded very soon.

I had to adjust because I forgot to include Napier. It's higher now.

And yes, that's way too much tax to pay for a non-title team. If Crabbe is matched, he's getting traded, and Plumlee too.

 

[KeepOnRollin]

I had to adjust because I forgot to include Napier. It's higher now.

And yes, that's way too much tax to pay for a non-title team. If Crabbe is matched, he's getting traded, and Plumlee too.

I am just apparently more concerned than many others that it won't be so easy to trade Crabbe. This contract with trade kicker could be over 20 MIL to another team.

 

[HailBlazers]

I am just apparently more concerned than many others that it won't be so easy to trade Crabbe. This contract with trade kicker could be over 20 MIL to another team.

Has me very concerned. AC wasn't exactly the definition of consistent last year.

 

[TBpup]

The Nets, by adding that kicker, make it tough to sign Crabbe now and trade him later. That would be a LOT for another team to take on for just an solid 3&D guy that has limited handles and passing ability. He scores almost exclusively from being assisted by other players. That doesn't come across as a near max player to me.

The other issue coming is that Portland will be paying $50,000,000 to Dame and CJ out of the whole Salary Cap when neither of them can play defense. That also is a LOT of money for players that only impact one side of the ball.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I am just apparently more concerned than many others that it won't be so easy to trade Crabbe. This contract with trade kicker could be over 20 MIL to another team.

You may be right, but including Plumlee might conceivably make it easier.

One can hope...

@Sinobas makes a good point in another thread; top-tier franchises don't tend to overpay for secondary players. Unless Crabbe is providing a significantly rare skill-set, he shouldn't be all that difficult to replace (in theory).

 

[Blazinaway]

The Nets, by adding that kicker, make it tough to sign Crabbe now and trade him later. That would be a LOT for another team to take on for just an solid 3&D guy that has limited handles and passing ability. He scores almost exclusively from being assisted by other players. That doesn't come across as a near max player to me.

The other issue coming is that Portland will be paying $50,000,000 to Dame and CJ out of the whole Salary Cap when neither of them can play defense. That also is a LOT of money for players that only impact one side of the ball.

Yep, Crabbe would be around 20% of the cap, you just don't pay a role player anywhere near that much, easy no

 

[Sinobas]

This. Maybe or not, but you need to keep assets

If you pay $50,000 to get your 15 year old Geo Metro out of impounding, you didn't really keep an asset, you just wasted $49,500.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

If you pay $50,000 to get your 15 year old Geo Metro out of impounding, you didn't really keep an asset, you just wasted $49,500.

But look at that gas mileage!!

 

[Pinwheel1]

Yeah I don't think Crabbe can easily be traded either for that amount. If we match him then he is ours for the next 4 years. Which is not a horrible thing

I can see a Dame, CJ, Turner back court at 32 minutes a piece.
SF with Crabbe and Harkless at 28 and 20

But to be honest I am good either way. If Neil decides not to match based on conversations with Crabbe and his agent I think we can replace his skill set. Maybe not right away, but by next summer. Maybe even by Montero or Layman at SF or Connaughton at SG .

But trading a 18-20 million dollar wing is not easy. These fantasies about Boogie are only going to break your hearts. They are unrealistic.

 

[illmatic99]

If we bring Crabbe back: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/por/salary/

 

[Denny Crane]

I believe that if a free agent is signed using an exception (ie, not cap space), it's January 15th.

Not specifically responding to what you wrote, but Crabbe can't be traded without his permission for a year, period.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q44

If a team matches an offer sheet and retains its free agent, then for one year they cannot trade him without his consent, and during that year cannot trade him at all to the team that signed him to the offer sheet. They also can't trade the player in a sign-and-trade transaction (see question number 91). A restricted free agent's resulting contract (whether with the new team or the contract is matched by the player's prior team) cannot be amended in any manner for one year.

 

[Denny Crane]

If we bring Crabbe back: http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/teams/por/salary/

Is Crabbe really a $17.6M cap hit to us right now (until we match or not)?

I think he's still a $2.4M hold, FWIW.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I am just apparently more concerned than many others that it won't be so easy to trade Crabbe. This contract with trade kicker could be over 20 MIL to another team.

Yeh, it would have to be others that we would trade. not Crabbe.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Updated figures factoring in Turner & Ezeli signings, Napier acquisition, and Crabbe offer sheet, projecting a potential sheet for Harkless, Meyers taking QO, 2017 max for CJ, and deal starting at 15m for Plumlee in 2017.

Let me know if you'd like to see how any other alterations would affect the figures.

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So, it looks like just shedding Leonard might not really reduce the cap tax by much?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I've decided to put the cap/tax sheet out on google docs. I think my formulas are pretty complete. Please let me know if there's anything that looks wrong.



Holy crap! didn't know you could embed linked google docs!

 

[Denny Crane]

The Nets, by adding that kicker, make it tough to sign Crabbe now and trade him later. That would be a LOT for another team to take on for just an solid 3&D guy that has limited handles and passing ability. He scores almost exclusively from being assisted by other players. That doesn't come across as a near max player to me.

The other issue coming is that Portland will be paying $50,000,000 to Dame and CJ out of the whole Salary Cap when neither of them can play defense. That also is a LOT of money for players that only impact one side of the ball.

http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q98

• Incentive compensation is not counted when determining the remaining value of the contract -- just base compensation.

 

[HailBlazers]

Holy crap! didn't know you could embed linked google docs!

Yea I just scrolled down to line 1000 trying to view the next post!

 

[Denny Crane]

I assume we don't keep Plums.

This figuring also doesn't consider trading Crabbe or other players to get under the LT.

EDIT: adding that the LT is assessed on the salaries at the end of the season. This means the Blazers have this season and all of next to get under. The trade deadline is the last chance to make a trade to get under (trade deadline the season after this upcoming one).

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Yea I just scrolled down to line 1000 trying to view the next post!

Umm...sorry?

 

[Mediocre Man]

I assume we don't keep Plums.

This figuring also doesn't consider trading Crabbe or other players to get under the LT.

EDIT: adding that the LT is assessed on the salaries at the end of the season. This means the Blazers have this season and all of next to get under. The trade deadline is the last chance to make a trade to get under (trade deadline the season after this upcoming one).

Almost have to keep Plumlee with Ezeli's knee history

 

[Denny Crane]

Almost have to keep Plumlee with Ezeli's knee history

If Ezeli doesn't pan out, we save $7M by not exercising our option.