Trade Idea How do we get Jimmy Butler

[Minstrel]

Hmm, if Butler and the Bulls are becoming this estranged, maybe the Blazers can acquire him. Not for crap, but maybe just McCollum gets the job done. Butler would be the perfect backcourt partner for Lillard.

 

[Blazer4ever]

Hmm, if Butler and the Bulls are becoming this estranged, maybe the Blazers can acquire him. Not for crap, but maybe just McCollum gets the job done. Butler would be the perfect backcourt partner for Lillard.

Wouldn't trade CJ for Butler and I don't want Butler anyway. He isn't nearly as talented as CJ, don't like his game or his personality

 

[SlyPokerDog]

How do we get Jimmy Butler?

 

[riverman]

 

[Rhal]

is it wrong if the only reason I want butler is to ship him to sactown for cousins?

 

[Denny Crane]

CJ and picks, at least.

The Bulls are old. The young guys there all regressed under Tim Floyd 2.0 there.

They certainly want a young star to build around.

The Philly or Boston or Minny offers are the ones to beat.

 

[Rhal]

CJ and picks, at least.

The Bulls are old. The young guys there all regressed under Tim Floyd 2.0 there.

They certainly want a young star to build around.

The Philly or Boston or Minny offers are the ones to beat.

Have there been reports on what actually is offered by these teams? We can guess, i'm sure Bostons has to be centered around the Nets pick and the Philly one would be around probably oakfer because Noel doesn't have near the value, not sure what minny would offer.

 

[H.C.]

Have there been reports on what actually is offered by these teams? We can guess, i'm sure Bostons has to be centered around the Nets pick and the Philly one would be around probably oakfer because Noel doesn't have near the value, not sure what minny would offer.

This says Minn. was willing to offer anyone but AW & KAT.
I'm sure that's still the case tbh. But there have been articles wrote saying Chicago wouldn't trade Butler to Minn if AW wasn't in the deal.
Meaning no deal will take place if that's still the position Chicago holds.

http://www.espn.com/nba/draft2016/s...s-push-get-jimmy-butler-chicago-bulls-fizzles

 

[Sarni]

Have there been reports on what actually is offered by these teams? We can guess, i'm sure Bostons has to be centered around the Nets pick and the Philly one would be around probably oakfer because Noel doesn't have near the value, not sure what minny would offer.

Philadelphia's picks are not very valuable if they get Butler this season as this could push them to playoffs. They have been great lately. Nets picks are extremely valuable as they are bound to be bottom 3 team for the next few seasons. Celtics also have much better talent to send back to Chicago - Bradley, Crowder or Johnson are all valuable players on good contracts (Amir is a bit high but Bradley and Crowder are tremendous value). They could even offer them Jaylen Brown and he is better suited to Bulls than Okafor.

Minnesota have Dunn, LaVine who they could offer, a lot of good rotation players like Rubio, Muhammad and Dieng and should have a good pick this season.

IMO Butler is nailed on for Celtics. Then they will go hard for Hayward in free agency, and try to have Thomas-Butler-Hayward-Horford + someone rotation which would easily challenge the East.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

So, what if Bulls realized this signing up the veterans plan isn't going to work, And so we take all their big contracts. We take Wade, Butler, Rondo and Lopez. Give back Crabbe, Harkless, Plumlee, Vonleh, Aminu, Davis, Napier, Ezeli and of course a couple first round picks, maybe three. So we get to keep Lillard and CJ.

Maybe we could instead keep Vonleh, send Connaughton and Quarterman out to make it work salary-wise; because otherwise we would have only Lopez and Leonard. Bulls could tank the rest of the season.
Hmm, do I even like this trade? Starting: Lillard, Butler, Turner, Vonleh, Lopez. 2nd team CJ, Wade, Leonard, Layman or guys we pick up. Probably keep to a 8 man rotation so guys who deserve it, like CJ, get plenty of minutes. Plenty of point guards, plenty of shooting guards, Butler and Turner can play as small forwards plus Layman. If bigs stay healthy, three is OK, but I would rather pick up someone more savvy and mobile than Leonard and not have him playing much. Rondo would probably have to be released or bought out; I don't think there would be enough minutes for him to keep him from being trouble.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j67upfh

Of course, Philadelphia could absorb three of those guys from Chicago, send back Noel, Okafor, Covington, Gerald Henderson, and expirings of Ilyasova, Rodriguez and Staukas plus draft picks.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zjgue6g

 

[Denny Crane]

Wow.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wade has a no trade clause, and no way is he a bench player.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

Wow.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wade has a no trade clause, and no way is he a bench player.

According to this, there are really only two players in the league with a no-trade clause. http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/nba-players-with-no-trade-clause-2016-080216

He is a guy who is already skipping practices because of his age. Not sure why he wouldn't be willing to accept somewhat limited minutes on a team that should be pretty good.

 

[Denny Crane]

According to this, there are really only two players in the league with a no-trade clause. http://www.foxsports.com/nba/gallery/nba-players-with-no-trade-clause-2016-080216

He is a guy who is already skipping practices because of his age. Not sure why he wouldn't be willing to accept somewhat limited minutes on a team that should be pretty good.

He played his entire career with Miami, then signed with his hometown team to finish out his career. I don't think he wants to go anywhere else, and NO could have signed him with cap space over the summer if it made sense.

 

[GDiama]

So, what if Bulls realized this signing up the veterans plan isn't going to work, And so we take all their big contracts. We take Wade, Butler, Rondo and Lopez. Give back Crabbe, Harkless, Plumlee, Vonleh, Aminu, Davis, Napier, Ezeli and of course a couple first round picks, maybe three. So we get to keep Lillard and CJ.

Maybe we could instead keep Vonleh, send Connaughton and Quarterman out to make it work salary-wise; because otherwise we would have only Lopez and Leonard. Bulls could tank the rest of the season.
Hmm, do I even like this trade? Starting: Lillard, Butler, Turner, Vonleh, Lopez. 2nd team CJ, Wade, Leonard, Layman or guys we pick up. Probably keep to a 8 man rotation so guys who deserve it, like CJ, get plenty of minutes. Plenty of point guards, plenty of shooting guards, Butler and Turner can play as small forwards plus Layman. If bigs stay healthy, three is OK, but I would rather pick up someone more savvy and mobile than Leonard and not have him playing much. Rondo would probably have to be released or bought out; I don't think there would be enough minutes for him to keep him from being trouble.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=j67upfh

Of course, Philadelphia could absorb three of those guys from Chicago, send back Noel, Okafor, Covington, Gerald Henderson, and expirings of Ilyasova, Rodriguez and Staukas plus draft picks.

http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=zjgue6g

So now we reached the point that not only we don't give up CJ or Dame, but we also have the luxury to bring CJ along with a 1481368943 All Star and 3 times champion off the bench! Man if we keep this thread alive I think in 2 days we'll also have Gobert at the 5 because don't forget we also need a defensive anchor!

 

[GDiama]

Wow.

I wouldn't be surprised if Wade has a no trade clause, and no way is he a bench player.

Because everything else makes sense and this is the only part you disagree with!!

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

So now we reached the point that not only we don't give up CJ or Dame, but we also have the luxury to bring CJ along with a 1481368943 All Star and 3 times champion off the bench! Man if we keep this thread alive I think in 2 days we'll also have Gobert at the 5 because don't forget we also need a defensive anchor!

I'll work on that!

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

So now we reached the point that not only we don't give up CJ or Dame, but we also have the luxury to bring CJ along with a 1481368943 All Star and 3 times champion off the bench! Man if we keep this thread alive I think in 2 days we'll also have Gobert at the 5 because don't forget we also need a defensive anchor!

That allstar is 35 years old and shooting .428, by far the lowest of his career.

 

[GDiama]

That allstar is 35 years old and shooting .428, by far the lowest of his career.

Shit happens when you play for a team that is dead last in 3pt shooting. He needs space to operate.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

He played his entire career with Miami, then signed with his hometown team to finish out his career. I don't think he wants to go anywhere else, and NO could have signed him with cap space over the summer if it made sense.

OK, I'll send him back to Miami, for 29 year old Ellington, Haslem, McRoberts and Derrick Williams. That will fill out our roster after gutting it and get rid of some garbage that Miami has.

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

OK, I'll send him back to Miami, for 29 year old Ellington, Haslem, McRoberts and Derrick Williams. That will fill out our roster after gutting it and get rid of some garbage that Miami has.

in fact I'll do like bones-jones and wrap them all up together.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=htfx3f8

 

[BlazerWookee]

Bulls are a complete dumpster fire internal struggles as well as a total lack of winning or direction (sounds eerily familiar) is there a way we can see him in the correct shades of red and black?

Crabbe + Harkless + 2 2017 firsts for Butler and Rondo. Who we could send to the cavs for a second rounder or something as an F U to the Warriors

Who says no?

I say hell fucking no to Rondo. I wouldn't be too pissed if we got Butler, though...

 

[dviss1]

I disagree. Even Dame for Butler straight up would be an upgrade for us. Any deal which lands us Butler probably makes us a better team.

Stop. Just... Stop...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Stop. Just... Stop...

 

[Denny Crane]

Aim lower and more realistic.

Taj Gibson is likely available, and he won't cost CJ or Dame.

The guy is the rim protector we need, and is a superb defender. He's blocking 1.3 shots per 36 minutes, and has about the best DRtg on the Bulls. He can switch onto PGs at the perimeter, no problem. He's very good on the offensive boards, which is great if you have jump shooters in the lineup.

He can play PF and C. He sets picks and has a nice outside shot out to about 17'. He knows how to score in the lane.

The downside is he's 31. I do think he can play several more years, though.

His contract is about $9M, and expires at the end of the season. For this reason, they'd have no interest in Ezeli. Bulls are over the cap, so they can't take back a ton of salary in the trade.

 

[WillG]

I disagree. Even Dame for Butler straight up would be an upgrade for us. Any deal which lands us Butler probably makes us a better team.

Agreed.
Dame straight up for Butler.

Only a small drop-off in offensive prowess. Butler scores just 2 points less per game - though Butler has higher shooting %, higher 3pt % & fewer turnovers.
But a MASSIVE improvement in defense.

Run CJ, Butler, Turner backcourt.
CJ and Turner run point by committee.

 

[Minstrel]

Agreed.
Dame straight up for Butler.

Ordinarily, I'd say Chicago never considers that. But maybe if they're really desperate to move on from him, they'd be willing to take the downgrade to get a different star.

 

[BonesJones]

in fact I'll do like bones-jones and wrap them all up together.
http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=htfx3f8

There's only 3 teams. You need to add another team.

There's also too few players. You need to add more!!! Haha.

 

[BonesJones]

For all this talk about Butler being a great defender, his DBPM has been continuously under 0.5 for years. So basically, average.

Why do people think he's such a great defender? I don't really understand.

 

[dviss1]

For all this talk about Butler being a great defender, his DBPM has been continuously under 0.5 for years. So basically, average.

Why do people think he's such a great defender? I don't really understand.

They wanna trade Dame for him... Blasphemy...

 

[blue9]

For all this talk about Butler being a great defender, his DBPM has been continuously under 0.5 for years. So basically, average.

Why do people think he's such a great defender? I don't really understand.

People also think DMC is a great defender. People also thought McMuffin was a good defensive coach. People also think Tater Totts is an offensive genius. People also think a border wall will improve national security. Facts mean nothing - if you say anything enough times it becomes an alternative fact.