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HispanicCausinPanic said:
Don't give these fools ANOTHER thread to bitch about things! This team isn't broke and doesn't need to be fixed!
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Love the sig pic and avatar HCP. You look like a bad@$$ in front of the glass palace. Totally legit oldschool blazer fan, nice. Man I wish I could have gone to that game. Was cool to hear Shonz call the game even if it sounded like it was on tape delay compared to whistles/crowd reaction.

EDIT: to the OP as Chris_in_PDX said it just needs time. Roy's in a funk, that will change and domination will come. We have so many weapons OUR team can't handle itself, once they gel it's gonna get MEATY!

Oden's per 36 last night vs. Stoudamire: 24.48points 18.72 Rebs 4.32blks. What a disastrous start for this team :rotfl:
 
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This team has played the same basic style since Roy was drafted. Everything is half court. Roy creates from the perimeter/pick-and-roll, Aldridge (and before him, Randolph) shoots from the pick-and-pop or the post. Everybody else plays off that. Outlaw does his own thing. Rinse, repeat. Grind grind grind. It's been that way for the majority of their NBA careers for a number of these players.

Now we've added three major changes to the offense. Suddenly the point guard is handling the ball more and creating for others. Suddenly we're running a little bit. Suddenly we're getting a lot of scoring out of our center.

Pretty major changes for these guys to deal with, including the coach. In the long run it's pretty easy to see how these changes will make the Blazers a lot better team. In the short run it's easy to see how we're going to lose some games getting used to it.
 
mook said:
This team has played the same basic style since Roy was drafted. Everything is half court. Roy creates from the perimeter/pick-and-roll, Aldridge (and before him, Randolph) shoots from the pick-and-pop or the post. Everybody else plays off that. Outlaw does his own thing. Rinse, repeat. Grind grind grind. It's been that way for the majority of their NBA careers for a number of these players.

Now we've added three major changes to the offense. Suddenly the point guard is handling the ball more and creating for others. Suddenly we're running a little bit. Suddenly we're getting a lot of scoring out of our center.

Pretty major changes for these guys to deal with, including the coach. In the long run it's pretty easy to see how these changes will make the Blazers a lot better team. In the short run it's easy to see how we're going to lose some games getting used to it.
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Lose some games? Unacceptable!
 
mook said:
This team has played the same basic style since Roy was drafted. Everything is half court. Roy creates from the perimeter/pick-and-roll, Aldridge (and before him, Randolph) shoots from the pick-and-pop or the post. Everybody else plays off that. Outlaw does his own thing. Rinse, repeat. Grind grind grind. It's been that way for the majority of their NBA careers for a number of these players.

Now we've added three major changes to the offense. Suddenly the point guard is handling the ball more and creating for others. Suddenly we're running a little bit. Suddenly we're getting a lot of scoring out of our center.

Pretty major changes for these guys to deal with, including the coach. In the long run it's pretty easy to see how these changes will make the Blazers a lot better team. In the short run it's easy to see how we're going to lose some games getting used to it.
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Well said. Just because you are the best "chopsticks" player in the world doesn't mean you're ready to tackle Beethoven and play it like Chopin.
 
PapaG said:
Miller/Outlaw for Conley/Jaric (Jaric expiring to make the $$ work). Conley would at least distribute the ball, and trading Outlaw for Jaric opens up shots for the Blazers because Jaric won't see the court. :cheers:
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I thought that was why we signed Miller? To distribute.
 
magnifier661 said:
We can fix with the players we already have. The players need to communicate better on the defensive end. Our help defense needs a lot of work, and that's only effective with proper communication. Some of the players need to worry less about their offense and more on their D, especially from the perimeter.

I think all the players we have right now have all the tools necessary to be a great defensive team. That's what we need to work on the most. Also, those damn outside shots are starting to get me frustrated. Of course we have the talent to score from the perimeter, but I would love to see everyone try and take it to the paint more often. Looking at this roster, there isn't a single player, other than blake that can't score in the paint. I want to see more of that as well.
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These guys need to start buying into what coach is selling on defense. I don't know, have they ever?
 
Wheels said:
I hear talk about the concerns about this team, and that it needs to be fixed, and that a consolidation needs to be made. I dont disagree with the consolidation part.. but what would be your plan to "fix" this team?
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Trade Miller for Sergio and Jon Brockman, and hand Sergio the keys to the team.

Replace Nate with someone who understands how to use offensively talented players. Use the money saved to sign an actual PF with talent to back up/compete with LaMarcus.

Then stop messing with the roster for a few years and enjoy the repetitive Titles.

It ain't rocket science. It's as plain as the face on maxiep's kid.
 
RoyIsClutch07 said:
These guys need to start buying into what coach is selling on defense. I don't know, have they ever?
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That's what gets me. All of the Blazers have the skill to be a much better defensive team. They just need to really trust each other. Use the advantage of having size. With that in mind, the guards can really play the other guards tight, knowing they have such a great "help defense" in Aldridge and Oden. Once that clicks, it will be hard to score against us. We only lack in perimeter D, so the guards are the ones really needing to buy into it.
 
MARIS61 said:
Trade Miller for Sergio and Jon Brockman, and hand Sergio the keys to the team.

Replace Nate with someone who understands how to use offensively talented players. Use the money saved to sign an actual PF with talent to back up/compete with LaMarcus.

Then stop messing with the roster for a few years and enjoy the repetitive Titles.

It ain't rocket science. It's as plain as the face on maxiep's kid.
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I just threw up in my mouth. :sick: :eek:
 
magnifier661 said:
That's what gets me. All of the Blazers have the skill to be a much better defensive team. They just need to really trust each other. Use the advantage of having size. With that in mind, the guards can really play the other guards tight, knowing they have such a great "help defense" in Aldridge and Oden. Once that clicks, it will be hard to score against us. We only lack in perimeter D, so the guards are the ones really needing to buy into it.
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For better or worse KP has mostly drafted guys for their offensive skills with the hope that they'll one day develop into adequate defenders, we have almost no-one on this team (aside from Joel and Nic) whose primary focus is defense, without enough of those guys on the team with that built-in mindset it's going to be very tough to make them a great defensive team.

It's not just as easy as saying "they need to buy into it," some of these guys lack the physical tools and most lack the know-how to perform at a high level on the defensive end of the court.
 
blue32 said:
Can't; Were damned if we do, damned if we don't.

A few ignorant people were screaming for a shoot-first point guard last season to take pressure off of Roy. Well we got that and now we know just how stupid they were.
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Take a gander at what Steve Nash did last night against Miller. Did everything but stop and tie little pink ribbons in Andre's hair on his way to 23 pts and 15 assists.

http://www.nba.com/games/20091014/PHXPOR/boxscore.html

It was like if I played against our Jack Russell Terrier, only she's more sociable.
 
magnifier661 said:
That's what gets me. All of the Blazers have the skill to be a much better defensive team. They just need to really trust each other. Use the advantage of having size. With that in mind, the guards can really play the other guards tight, knowing they have such a great "help defense" in Aldridge and Oden. Once that clicks, it will be hard to score against us. We only lack in perimeter D, so the guards are the ones really needing to buy into it.
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Yeah. This to me is crucial for Nate. Will he ever get these guys to play the d at the level he wants them to play it at? To me, the level he is requesting out of them is championship level. If they don't ever get there, will the ever contend for one with him as coach? This is just one reason why I don't think he is the long term answer here as coach.
 
MARIS61 said:
Trade Miller for Sergio and Jon Brockman, and hand Sergio the keys to the team.

Replace Nate with someone who understands how to use offensively talented players. Use the money saved to sign an actual PF with talent to back up/compete with LaMarcus.

Then stop messing with the roster for a few years and enjoy the repetitive Titles.

It ain't rocket science. It's as plain as the face on maxiep's kid.
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lol ok that confirms it....
 
magnifier661 said:
Oden? And not to be too out of line, but I really think Roy is one of the better defenders at SG, IMO.
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Yeah I kind of forgot Oden, but he's still a work in progress at that end of the court. As for Roy, he's "adequate", but he coasts way too much at that end to be considered "good" ... he definitely has the potential to be good, but I've yet to see it except for in fits and flashes.
 
magnifier661 said:
That's what gets me. All of the Blazers have the skill to be a much better defensive team. They just need to really trust each other. Use the advantage of having size. With that in mind, the guards can really play the other guards tight, knowing they have such a great "help defense" in Aldridge and Oden. Once that clicks, it will be hard to score against us. We only lack in perimeter D, so the guards are the ones really needing to buy into it.
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Andre and Steve are both very slow-footed and cannot play their opponents close-up without fouling.

Roy could but seems to have little interest, and Rudy and Jerryd clearly will not play enough minutes to improve their defense as long as Miller is here.
 
Nikolokolus said:
For better or worse KP has mostly drafted guys for their offensive skills with the hope that they'll one day develop into adequate defenders, we have almost no-one on this team (aside from Joel and Nic) whose primary focus is defense, without enough of those guys on the team with that built-in mindset it's going to be very tough to make them a great defensive team.

It's not just as easy as saying "they need to buy into it," some of these guys lack the physical tools and most lack the know-how to perform at a high level on the defensive end of the court.
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That's on Nate for stubbornly refusing to tailor his game style around his players' talents.

Coaching 101.
 
Nikolokolus said:
Yeah I kind of forgot Oden, but he's still a work in progress at that end of the court. As for Roy, he's "adequate", but he coasts way too much at that end to be considered "good" ... he definitely has the potential to be good, but I've yet to see it except for in fits and flashes.
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Yeah you may be right about Roy. But my point earlier about "buying in" was more about the guards having trust in the Centers and PFs to help out if they get beat off the dribble. Also, we do play a ton more "zone" than most around the league. I just don't know why we would, having Oden and Aldridge down low. I would love to see more focus on forcing them to score inside than out.

For some strange reason, teams just "shoot well" against us. I mean look at the Houston series. They just couldn't miss a shot from the perimeter.
 
MARIS61 said:
Andre and Steve are both very slow-footed and cannot play their opponents close-up without fouling.

Roy could but seems to have little interest, and Rudy and Jerryd clearly will not play enough minutes to improve their defense as long as Miller is here.
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Knowing that help is behind you, you play position D on the perimeter. Focus on forcing your man to drive to the strength of your D. You don't have to be quick on your feet to do that. Some of the better guard defenders weren't very fast, they were just smart.
 
blue32 said:
and.....you...think Sergio would have been better???? I am only assuming..
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He's already proven that.

The team was 8-5 with him starting and no Blake to back him up last year. Bayless brought his game only once in that stretch, so it was obvious to objective observers that Sergio was carrying this team through Steve's abscence.

They are 0-2 under Miller with Blake backing him up.
 
MARIS61 said:
He's already proven that.

The team was 8-5 with him starting and no Blake to back him up last year. Bayless brought his game only once in that stretch, so it was obvious to objective observers that Sergio was carrying this team through Steve's abscence.

They are 0-2 under Miller with Blake backing him up.
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PRESEASON! Dude you do know this is pre-season right?!?!??! Did you know the Spurs, Lakers, Bulls and Houston all were terrible during "pre-season" during their dynasties? And for the record, the Blazers were pre-season champs during their 20 win seasons. :eek:
 
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MARIS61 said:
He's already proven that.

The team was 8-5 with him starting and no Blake to back him up last year. Bayless brought his game only once in that stretch, so it was obvious to objective observers that Sergio was carrying this team through Steve's abscence.

They are 0-2 under Miller with Blake backing him up.
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This shit never gets old for you does it? :biglaugh:
 
magnifier661 said:
Knowing that help is behind you, you play position D on the perimeter. Focus on forcing your man to drive to the strength of your D. You don't have to be quick on your feet to do that. Some of the better guard defenders weren't very fast, they were just smart.
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I agree with that, but most on the board disagree with that tactic, and blame the guard for any fouls picked up by the bigs. Heard it constantly about both Sergio and Steve last year.

Until these posters understand the simple concepts of team defense (never?) that arguement carries no weight here.
 
MARIS61 said:
I agree with that, but most on the board disagree with that tactic, and blame the guard for any fouls picked up by the bigs. Heard it constantly about both Sergio and Steve last year.

Until these posters understand the simple concepts of team defense (never?) that arguement carries no weight here.
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hehehe. Probably so. :P
 
magnifier661 said:
PRESEASON! Dude you do know this is pre-season right?!?!??! Did you know the Spurs, Lakers, Bulls and Houston all were terrible during "pre-season" during their dynasties? And for the record, the Blazers were pre-season champs during their 20 win seasons. :eek:
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No, they weren't.
 
Seriously what was barbosas stat line from beyond the arch? 7-9?? He was killing us and whoever was gaurding him kept slacking on him and as quick as that they swing the ball and he drained the 3 it was kinda sad
 
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