How does everyone feel about the ISO's now?

[Mediocre Man]

It's been 3 games since they were implemented, and the Blazers failed to break 90 in 2 of those games, and only broke 90 in the other because of OT.

Our assist totals have been 14, 8, 24 (20 in regulation). We averaged 21 on the year, and averaged 24 assists in the 4 games prior to the ISO plays when Miller was put into the starting line up and was calling plays.

We have had an average of 34.6 points in the paint since the ISO's were implemented, and in the 4 games prior with Miller starting and calling plays we average 37.5. So 3 more points in the paint. That is a huge number.

We have been averaging 22.5 FTA per game with our new ISO's. We averaged 24.5 FTA per game under Miller calling the plays.

I honestly think if Nate keeps "trying to make Roy happy", and calling ISO's instead of getting out and running we will be in for an early exit from the playoffs again.

 

[B-Roy]

I don't know if you were watching the Atlanta game or not, but when we tried to run....boy was it ugly...

 

[Mediocre Man]

I don't know if you were watching the Atlanta game or not, but when we tried to run....boy was it ugly...

Let's not go off topic please. I am only talking about the ISO's and if you think they have worked or not

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I honestly don't remember seeing many iso's for Roy. I was actually hoping for more.

(Also, if Blake was hitting WIDE OPEN THREES like he normally does, there would've been 9 more points and 3 more assists. And those were WIDE open.)

 

[B-Roy]

Let's not go off topic please. I am only talking about the ISO's and if you think they have worked or not

I was responding to the "getting out and running part", which isn't working.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I was responding to the "getting out and running part", which isn't working.

Obviously not. Look at the SA and Minny games. It was horrible.

Now, back on topic.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I honestly don't remember seeing many iso's for Roy. I was actually hoping for more.

(Also, if Blake was hitting WIDE OPEN THREES like he normally does, there would've been 9 more points and 3 more assists. And those were WIDE open.)

Like he normally did last year you mean.

 

[B-Roy]

Obviously not. Look at the SA and Minny games. It was horrible.

Now, back on topic.

Those were two games where running actually worked, what about the other 10?

 

[axs88]

Those were two games where running actually worked, what about the other 10?

The other ten where we didn't do it?

 

[magnifier661]

It's been 3 games since they were implemented, and the Blazers failed to break 90 in 2 of those games, and only broke 90 in the other because of OT.

Our assist totals have been 14, 8, 24 (20 in regulation). We averaged 21 on the year, and averaged 24 assists in the 4 games prior to the ISO plays when Miller was put into the starting line up and was calling plays.

We have had an average of 34.6 points in the paint since the ISO's were implemented, and in the 4 games prior with Miller starting and calling plays we average 37.5. So 3 more points in the paint. That is a huge number.

We have been averaging 22.5 FTA per game with our new ISO's. We averaged 24.5 FTA per game under Miller calling the plays.

I honestly think if Nate keeps "trying to make Roy happy", and calling ISO's instead of getting out and running we will be in for an early exit from the playoffs again.

ISO sucks.

 

[WillG]

Nate Sucks. period.

 

[magnifier661]

Nate Sucks. period.

He made a deal with Oden that he gets one foul per quarter in the first half, yet he got only 8 minutes with 1 foul. This was during Portland's hot outside shooting, which would have really opened the game up for him in the post.

 

[jwhoops11]

It's been 3 games since they were implemented, and the Blazers failed to break 90 in 2 of those games, and only broke 90 in the other because of OT.

Our assist totals have been 14, 8, 24 (20 in regulation). We averaged 21 on the year, and averaged 24 assists in the 4 games prior to the ISO plays when Miller was put into the starting line up and was calling plays.

We have had an average of 34.6 points in the paint since the ISO's were implemented, and in the 4 games prior with Miller starting and calling plays we average 37.5. So 3 more points in the paint. That is a huge number.

We have been averaging 22.5 FTA per game with our new ISO's. We averaged 24.5 FTA per game under Miller calling the plays.

I honestly think if Nate keeps "trying to make Roy happy", and calling ISO's instead of getting out and running we will be in for an early exit from the playoffs again.

I see the point, but 6 games in 8 nights with 5 of those on the road will cause even the best conditioned athletes to lose a step. Just seems like to small of a sample size to suggest that what Nate and the Blazers are attemtpting to do isn't working.

 

[STOMP]

Like he normally did last year you mean.

Blake is a career 41% 3 point shooter. Last year's 43% isn't an outlier stat like this year's 35%... reverting to the mean is what to expect from most any healthy player in the prime of their career.

STOMP

 

[hasoos]

I don't blame it on the ISO's. I blame it on the Blazers style of play. It seems a lot of folks are having problems coming to terms that the Blazers identity is like the early 90's Knicks. Not a lot of scoring, not a lot of posessions. Run only when you have an easy opportunity. It has nothing to do with Roys ISO's. What it does have to do with is shooting percentage. The Blazers would be scoring many more points if guys would nut up and hit their open shots.

 

[Natebishop3]

The whole team is ice cold. I don't know what happened, but we can't hit a shot to save our lives right now. We could have blown Atlanta out if we could have actually hit a shot last night.

 

[e_blazer]

There's nothing wrong with Nate's offense, including the isolation plays for Roy that are used at some times (primarily 4th quarter). The offense was working as designed last night, producing wide-open looks on the perimeter when Roy was cut off on his drives. Blake's just in a monumental shooting slump, otherwise the Blazers win that game and we're sitting here basking in the glow of winning all five games on this road trip...well, most of us at least.

The Blazers have played more games than any other team in the league so far this season. Tired legs are going to take a toll on outside shooting. Blake will break out of his slump and all will be right in Blazerville. No need to dump the system just because of a few bumps on the road.

 

[hasoos]

The whole team is ice cold. I don't know what happened, but we can't hit a shot to save our lives right now. We could have blown Atlanta out if we could have actually hit a shot last night.

You have got it. The flat out facts are that guys are not nutting up and hitting open shots. For some of the guys, it seems to be the story of their career. The question is, how many years does it take for KP to figure it out?

 

[Haakzilla]

There's nothing wrong with Nate's offense, including the isolation plays for Roy that are used at some times (primarily 4th quarter). The offense was working as designed last night, producing wide-open looks on the perimeter when Roy was cut off on his drives. Blake's just in a monumental shooting slump, otherwise the Blazers win that game and we're sitting here basking in the glow of winning all five games on this road trip...well, most of us at least.

The Blazers have played more games than any other team in the league so far this season. Tired legs are going to take a toll on outside shooting. Blake will break out of his slump and all will be right in Blazerville. No need to dump the system just because of a few bumps on the road.

+1 [although, I still prefer Rudy taking those open treys when it counts]

 

[RR7]

I bet Atlanta fans are super pissed off today at all the ISOs they ran for Joe Johnson in the 4th quarter and OT. What a lame offense. Just hand it to the star and let him go. LAME.

 

[PapaG]

It's been 3 games since they were implemented, and the Blazers failed to break 90 in 2 of those games, and only broke 90 in the other because of OT.

Our assist totals have been 14, 8, 24 (20 in regulation). We averaged 21 on the year, and averaged 24 assists in the 4 games prior to the ISO plays when Miller was put into the starting line up and was calling plays.

We have had an average of 34.6 points in the paint since the ISO's were implemented, and in the 4 games prior with Miller starting and calling plays we average 37.5. So 3 more points in the paint. That is a huge number.

We have been averaging 22.5 FTA per game with our new ISO's. We averaged 24.5 FTA per game under Miller calling the plays.

I honestly think if Nate keeps "trying to make Roy happy", and calling ISO's instead of getting out and running we will be in for an early exit from the playoffs again.

Roy is averaging 15 shot/per this season after averaging 17 last season. In the last three games, which you seem to be talking about, he shot the ball 16, 16, and 15 times while averaging 5 assists. Basically, Roy has taken .67 more shots per game with Nate "trying to make Roy happy" than he was prior to Nate "not trying to make Roy happy". So, since the stats are a wash, I guess I have to conclude that your criticism is based on nothing more than emotion.

Interestingly, Andre Miller has shot the ball 13, 12, and 10 times over the same three games, yet is only averaging 9 shots per game on the season. He is averaging 3 assists per game compared to Roy's 5 assists per game over the same stretch, and he's shooting right at 40% in those games.

Looking at the stats, I'd have to say that Nate is "trying to make Miller happy". I don't believe that, but looking at the data, it is a more realistic opinion than the one you propose in the post above. I understand that you can't stand Nate, but making up criticisms that fly in the face of the actual stats discredits your opinion on Nate.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I bet Atlanta fans are super pissed off today at all the ISOs they ran for Joe Johnson in the 4th quarter and OT. What a lame offense. Just hand it to the star and let him go. LAME.

There were 4 run by the Hawks in the 4th quarter and OT

There were 10 ran by the Blazers in the 4th quarter and OT

 

[RR7]

4? Ok, sure thing.

 

[hasoos]

I'll throw this out there. In the past Roy ISO's were successful, because often the guys he threw it to on the perimiter would hit open shots. Right now it's pretty obvious that is not happening, with Blanky and Webster having a hard time hitting anything. The problem isn't so much the ISO's, as the result of the ISO's. If guys would just nut up and hit some shots, this would be moot. Right now though, Roy doesn't have hardly anybody competant to pass to when the ISO attracts the attention. The whole point of running these ISO's is to force a sitaution where they either double Brandon and then he outlets to the open shooter, or if they don't double, let him go do his thing. Our shooters aren't holding up their part of the bargain right now, so its not working too well.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Roy is averaging 15 shot/per this season after averaging 17 last season. In the last three games, which you seem to be talking about, he shot the ball 16, 16, and 15 times while averaging 5 assists. Basically, Roy has taken .67 more shots per game with Nate "trying to make Roy happy" than he was prior to Nate "not trying to make Roy happy". So, since the stats are a wash, I guess I have to conclude that your criticism is based on nothing more than emotion.

Interestingly, Andre Miller has shot the ball 13, 12, and 10 times over the same three games, yet is only averaging 9 shots per game on the season. He is averaging 3 assists per game compared to Roy's 5 assists per game over the same stretch, and he's shooting right at 40% in those games.

Looking at the stats, I'd have to say that Nate is "trying to make Miller happy". I don't believe that, but looking at the data, it is a more realistic opinion than the one you propose in the post above. I understand that you can't stand Nate, but making up criticisms that fly in the face of the actual stats discredits your opinion on Nate.

"The Season" isn't really a fair sample size because Miller didn't start at the beginning of the season. You have to do it from the SA game, and then stop it after the second Minny game.

Miller in those three games averaged 10 shots per game, while Roy only averaged 10.75 Since the ISO's Millers shots have increased to 11.6, while Roy's shots have increased to 15.6

I am not saying Roy shouldn't shoot. I am saying ISO's are a shitty way of getting him shots because the defnse can rest, and the other players on our team get out of the flow on offense.

 

[PapaG]

I'll throw this out there. In the past Roy ISO's were successful, because often the guys he threw it to on the perimiter would hit open shots. Right now it's pretty obvious that is not happening, with Blanky and Webster having a hard time hitting anything. The problem isn't so much the ISO's, as the result of the ISO's. If guys would just nut up and hit some shots, this would be moot. Right now though, Roy doesn't have hardly anybody competant to pass to when the ISO attracts the attention. The whole point of running these ISO's is to force a sitaution where they either double Brandon and then he outlets to the open shooter, or if they don't double, let him go do his thing. Our shooters aren't holding up their part of the bargain right now, so its not working too well.

In the 3 games referenced in this thread, Roy is averaging 19 ppg (1 ppg less than his season average) on 45% shooting (50% from 3pt), 8 rpg, and 5 assists per game. The drop in his production is coming from the FT line, where he is averaging 2 less attempts over the 3 games (5 ftpg) than he is over the season (7 ftpg).

If anything, the stats tell me that Nate needs to run MORE ISOS for Roy and let Brandon attack the rim and get to the line. Every stat I look at discredits the OP's point in creating this thread. We're all arguing a made-up strawman that just doesn't stand up to the light of reality.

 

[PapaG]

"The Season" isn't really a fair sample size because Miller didn't start at the beginning of the season. You have to do it from the SA game, and then stop it after the second Minny game.

Miller in those three games averaged 10 shots per game, while Roy only averaged 10.75 Since the ISO's Millers shots have increased to 11.6, while Roy's shots have increased to 15.6

I am not saying Roy shouldn't shoot. I am saying ISO's are a shitty way of getting him shots because the defnse can rest, and the other players on our team get out of the flow on offense.

Clearly Miller's ISO plays need to go to Roy. Roy is a much better offensive player, and Miller's gobbling up of shots is taking the ball out of Roy's and LMA's hands.

I have to conclude that Miller is the problem at this point, if there actually is a problem. He's the variable that wasn't in this spot at the start of the season.

 

[Mediocre Man]

In the 3 games referenced in this thread, Roy is averaging 19 ppg (1 ppg less than his season average) on 45% shooting (50% from 3pt), 8 rpg, and 5 assists per game. The drop in his production is coming from the FT line, where he is averaging 2 less attempts over the 3 games (5 ftpg) than he is over the season (7 ftpg).

If anything, the stats tell me that Nate needs to run MORE ISOS for Roy and let Brandon attack the rim and get to the line. Every stat I look at discredits the OP's point in creating this thread. We're all arguing a made-up strawman that just doesn't stand up to the light of reality.

It doesn't work that way.

Fine, run ISO's all day long and play without a center so you can spot up 4 guys at the 3 point line. There is absolutely no way any defense could stop it. That 50% from 3 has nothing to do with an actual offense and everything to do with Brandon standing with the ball and jacking up 3's

 

[Mediocre Man]

Clearly Miller's ISO plays need to go to Roy. Roy is a much better offensive player, and Miller's gobbling up of shots is taking the ball out of Roy's and LMA's hands.

I have to conclude that Miller is the problem at this point, if there actually is a problem. He's the variable that wasn't in this spot at the start of the season.

Neither were the ISO's

And you are right. Miller wasn't in the starting line up when the team went 2-3

 

[PapaG]

It doesn't work that way.

Fine, run ISO's all day long and play without a center so you can spot up 4 guys at the 3 point line. There is absolutely no way any defense could stop it. That 50% from 3 has nothing to do with an actual offense and everything to do with Brandon standing with the ball and jacking up 3's

He has shot 6 3pt FGA in the last 3 games. He has made 3 of them, with assists from Blake on one of them and from Miller on 2 of them. Perhaps he should be "standing with the ball and jacking up 3's" more often?

Once again, the stats contradict your opinion on what is actually happening on the court.