How does Kanter do it?

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KSF-ERIC

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Game after game, he is covered by three guys from the other team and somehow he gets the rebound and then somehow he scores a basket. It's almost as amazing as what Dame does on a nightly basis. See tonight's game: He was covered by Ingram, Adams, and Zion. He grabs the rebound and you'd think he should pass it out but he goes up with all those guys hanging all over him and scores. It truly boggles my mind. How does he do it?
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Game after game, he is covered by three guys from the other team and somehow he gets the rebound and then somehow he scores a basket. It's almost as amazing as what Dame does on a nightly basis. See tonight's game: He was covered by Ingram, Adams, and Zion. He grabs the rebound and you'd think he should pass it out but he goes up with all those guys hanging all over him and scores. It truly boggles my mind. How does he do it?
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Strength, height, anticipation/positioning, and desire. Fantastic offensive rebounder.
 
Tince said:
Strength, height, anticipation/positioning, and desire. Fantastic offensive rebounder.
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As for the first two: His muscles aren't defined. He is barely 6-10. It's something on the instinctual level...his mind is the opposite of Meyers Leonard.

When he was a Knick I watched him on TV scoring at will effortlessly and thought, this guy would be a superstar in Europe. When we got him, everyone acted like he would be just an ordinary backup to Nurkic. But I thought, this guy could really score, last time I watched him...but Stotts may make him shoot from outside and ruin him. Surprisingly, Stotts has let him stay inside. Coaches who demand defense reject him, which is why he excels only in the Stotts system.

Another reason is...every Stotts center (Lopez, Plumlee, Nurkic) looks better here than on any other team. But come trade time, other GMs aren't fooled and don't overrate our centers as Blazer fans do. So the thread title becomes, what is it about the Stotts system which uses centers more heavily than other systems.
 
Lots of hustle on offense, good instincts there, absolutely horrible on defense. If he was at all a good anchor of a defense he wouldn’t be on one-year contracts this far into his career. He’s focused on his strengths and that’s why he is better suited as a back-up 5.
 
He might have done or still does things that Rodman did. Rodman would watch the ball coming off the rim during rebounding drills and just see where it ended up. He kind of studied the practical physics of the ball and rim. So maybe Enes does that or just has an innate feel for it. I definitely think it has a lot to do with timing and knowing where the ball is going with Enes because I don't see him aggressively boxing out or out jumping competitors or having the tallest reach.
 
AldoTrapani said:
This guy would have been a superstar in the 90s
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Ewing, Olajuwon, The Admiral, Mutombo, Shaq, Zo, Sir Charles, The Mailman would decimate anyone in today's game on the low block... maybe Gobert and Embiid could hold their own against these all stars but that's it. Enes would get killed. He is a backup with an incredibly limited skill set and that limited skill set is miles behind the same skill set of the guys I just mentioned and they happen(ed) to have even more skills. So how is Enes going to be close to an all star, let alone a superstar, in an era where the game was all about the low block. Right now he looks good, every once in a while, because he's doing a poor imitation of what every pro center did in the 90s.

I do appreciate that you are being positive and I'm not trying to discourage that but come on.
 
blazerkor said:
Ewing, Olajuwon, The Admiral, Mutombo, Shaq, Zo, Sir Charles, The Mailman would decimate anyone in today's game on the low block... maybe Gobert and Embiid could hold their own against these all stars but that's it. Enes would get killed. He is a backup with an incredibly limited skill set and that limited skill set is miles behind the same skill set of the guys I just mentioned and they happen(ed) to have even more skills. So how is Enes going to be close to an all star, let alone a superstar, in an era where the game was all about the low block. Right now he looks good, every once in a while, because he's doing a poor imitation of what every pro center did in the 90s.

I do appreciate that you are being positive and I'm not trying to discourage that but come on.
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Well u countered me there. Good point
 
jlprk said:
As for the first two: His muscles aren't defined.
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Gotta disagree with this one. Dude is freakin chiseled! Total core athlete.
Got an 8 pack.
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He's just really, really strong, has excellent touch, and lives to play through contact.

I agree that he'd have been a much more valued center in the 1990 through early 2000's. During that span when you needed 2 or 3 strong centers to battle Shaq, Kanter would've definitely been on the list of guys you'd love to throw at him. Shaq would've beat him, of course, but I don't think he'd have intimidated him.

He's basically a taller version of Zach Randolph. Less creative, but much better screener.

The Blazers really do get the most out of their centers. But I think Kanter is right near the top of the list of my all-time favorite Blazer C's. I'd probably go Sabonis, Nurkic, Przybilla and then Kanter.
 
jlprk said:
As for the first two: His muscles aren't defined. He is barely 6-10. It's something on the instinctual level...his mind is the opposite of Meyers Leonard.

When he was a Knick I watched him on TV scoring at will effortlessly and thought, this guy would be a superstar in Europe. When we got him, everyone acted like he would be just an ordinary backup to Nurkic. But I thought, this guy could really score, last time I watched him...but Stotts may make him shoot from outside and ruin him. Surprisingly, Stotts has let him stay inside. Coaches who demand defense reject him, which is why he excels only in the Stotts system.

Another reason is...every Stotts center (Lopez, Plumlee, Nurkic) looks better here than on any other team. But come trade time, other GMs aren't fooled and don't overrate our centers as Blazer fans do. So the thread title becomes, what is it about the Stotts system which uses centers more heavily than other systems.
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Plumlee and Lopez looking good elsewhere.
 
I've got to say, it's pretty amazing to watch every game as some other Blazer misses, and from a crowd of members of the other team, these two big Turkish arms reach up and grab the rebound, and then nothing is stopping him throwing in an ugly layup.

Of course "nothing is stopping him" also applies to Kanter's man all game.
 
mook said:
He's just really, really strong, has excellent touch, and lives to play through contact.

I agree that he'd have been a much more valued center in the 1990 through early 2000's. During that span when you needed 2 or 3 strong centers to battle Shaq, Kanter would've definitely been on the list of guys you'd love to throw at him. Shaq would've beat him, of course, but I don't think he'd have intimidated him.

He's basically a taller version of Zach Randolph. Less creative, but much better screener.

The Blazers really do get the most out of their centers. But I think Kanter is right near the top of the list of my all-time favorite Blazer C's. I'd probably go Sabonis, Nurkic, Przybilla and then Kanter.
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blazerkor said:
Ewing, Olajuwon, The Admiral, Mutombo, Shaq, Zo, Sir Charles, The Mailman would decimate anyone in today's game on the low block... maybe Gobert and Embiid could hold their own against these all stars but that's it. Enes would get killed. He is a backup with an incredibly limited skill set and that limited skill set is miles behind the same skill set of the guys I just mentioned and they happen(ed) to have even more skills. So how is Enes going to be close to an all star, let alone a superstar, in an era where the game was all about the low block. Right now he looks good, every once in a while, because he's doing a poor imitation of what every pro center did in the 90s.

I do appreciate that you are being positive and I'm not trying to discourage that but come on.
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Yeah Enes is not in the same realm as those guys... but when it comes specifically to offensive rebounding I’d say he’s better than all of them. Hard to compare eras but Enes is getting 50% to 100% more offensive rebounds per 36 than all those guys. If only Nurk could ORB and finish like Kanter...
 
Because the game is basically a wing/guard game anymore with shooting it puts him in good position ti be a board maniac.nit going up against as many pounders, except for last night. He should own the boards against dallas. All he has to do in today’s game is focus on boards and put backs.
 
bobf said:
Yeah Enes is not in the same realm as those guys... but when it comes specifically to offensive rebounding I’d say he’s better than all of them. Hard to compare eras but Enes is getting 50% to 100% more offensive rebounds per 36 than all those guys. If only Nurk could ORB and finish like Kanter...
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Nurks job is to score and play D. Not as focused on
Being primarily a board guy.
 
jlprk said:
As for the first two: His muscles aren't defined. He is barely 6-10. It's something on the instinctual level...his mind is the opposite of Meyers Leonard.
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6'10" is short (he's been our tallest player by 3" for weeks) and this is undefined?

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jlprk said:
Another reason is...every Stotts center (Lopez, Plumlee, Nurkic) looks better here than on any other team. But come trade time, other GMs aren't fooled and don't overrate our centers as Blazer fans do. So the thread title becomes, what is it about the Stotts system which uses centers more heavily than other systems.
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That's interesting, you might be right. Does the data back that up?

This is the opposite take a large chunk of people have here, they're saying the system is all guard ISO ball, not above average use of the center.
 
Kanter has unreal instinct around the basket. Great feel for the game offensively. He’s also jacked. I also think while he’s not a good defender, he’s not as awful as it might seem. Big men are always going to look bad when their teammates can’t keep guys in front of them and they have to constantly help. Unless you are Hakeem or Gobert etc.
 
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Nurk can learn a thing or two. He has the best touch for any big man I've seen this side of ZBo.
 
Hoopguru said:
Because the game is basically a wing/guard game anymore with shooting it puts him in good position ti be a board maniac.nit going up against as many pounders, except for last night. He should own the boards against dallas. All he has to do in today’s game is focus on boards and put backs.
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If the style of the game had such an impact, then you would see other big men around the league with similar results.
I'm assuming the data doesn't back that up....
 
I asked myself the same question. Last night against Steven Adams and he still get rebounds
 
tester551 said:
If the style of the game had such an impact, then you would see other big men around the league with similar results.
I'm assuming the data doesn't back that up....
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Big guys that are stretching the floor and cheating on getting back on D does make a difference.
 
KSF-ERIC said:
Game after game, he is covered by three guys from the other team and somehow he gets the rebound and then somehow he scores a basket. It's almost as amazing as what Dame does on a nightly basis. See tonight's game: He was covered by Ingram, Adams, and Zion. He grabs the rebound and you'd think he should pass it out but he goes up with all those guys hanging all over him and scores. It truly boggles my mind. How does he do it?
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And he gets fouled to all shit and isn't called
 
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