How does Kanter do it?

[jlprk]

Plumlee and Lopez looking good elsewhere.

You moved the goalposts. I said they looked better here. I didn't say they have looked bad since. Here, they started on winning teams, and were our no. 3 player in box scores game after game.

 

[jlprk]

Tince implied that Kanter is stronger than his opponents, so I said his muscles aren't as defined as some opponents, so everyone of a certain persuasion pulled out the dirty pictures of Kanter they keep stashed. I didn't mean to turn the thread into a porn magazine!

 

[jlprk]

That's interesting, you might be right. Does the data back that up?

This is the opposite take a large chunk of people have here, they're saying the system is all guard ISO ball, not above average use of the center.

I don't see the 2 sides as contradicting each other. In the Stotts years we have had great-dribbling volume scoring guards, and a center who not only rebounds their misses, but also scores more than he ever did before, or after being a Blazer. The center profits from the ISO system.

 

[Tince]

Tince implied that Kanter is stronger than his opponents, so I said his muscles aren't as defined as some opponents, so everyone of a certain persuasion pulled out the dirty pictures of Kanter they keep stashed. I didn't mean to turn the thread into a porn magazine!

I said nothing about Kanters opponents. I was saying Kanter has size and strength. I would assume his height and weight are well in the upper half of NBA players if we are doing a comparison.

 

[kjironman1]

Kanter made some great plays again tonight.

 

[jlprk]

I said nothing about Kanters opponents. I was saying Kanter has size and strength. I would assume his height and weight are well in the upper half of NBA players if we are doing a comparison.

Well, the thread title asked how does Kanter do it, and you answered strength, among other things. I answered that I think he's a great inside scorer due to quick instincts, not superior strength.

 

[kjironman1]

Well, the thread title asked how does Kanter do it, and you answered strength, among other things. I answered that I think he's a great inside scorer due to quick instincts, not superior strength.

You did.
I think you are correct also in that he has great instincts and he is very quick also. But i also think he is pretty darn strong.

 

[jlprk]

You did.
I think you are correct also in that he has great instincts and he is very quick also. But i also think he is pretty darn strong.

But is strength the reason he gets those layups to go in against 3 tall defenders? If so, why is he better at it than equally strong NBA big men? I say it's something in his brain, the vaunted anti-Meyers Gene.

 

[kjironman1]

But is strength the reason he gets those layups to go in against 3 tall defenders? If so, why is he better at it than equally strong NBA big men? I say it's something in his brain, the anti-Meyers gene.

I would say i agree with you that he has awesome instincts and quickness coupled with that strength.

 

[jlprk]

I would say i agree with you that he has awesome instincts and quickness coupled with that strength.

He also has a nose and 2 ears and a belly-button. The thread asks, what does he have that others don't.

 

[kjironman1]

He also has a nose and 2 ears and a belly-button. The thread asks, what does he have that others don't.

Awesome Instincts coupled with Quickness and a level of core strength not seen by many humans?
That's all i got really.....

 

[wizenheimer]

He also has a nose and 2 ears and a belly-button. The thread asks, what does he have that others don't.

you only know he has a belly button because of the semi-nude slide-show some posters here made.

so you need to footnote

 

[Further]

With such great instincts on the offensive end and great rebounding, why don’t those same skills translate on defense? Great footwork, quick hands and core strength all seem like even without superior speed he should be well above average on defense.He’s not. You can’t tell me he’s slower than Przybilla but Przybilla was a hell of a defender.

I’m so glad we have Kanter but I wish he could figure out both ends of the court. Seems like he has enough tools.

 

[blazerkor]

With such great instincts on the offensive end and great rebounding, why don’t those same skills translate on defense? Great footwork, quick hands and core strength all seem like even without superior speed he should be well above average on defense.He’s not. You can’t tell me he’s slower than Przybilla but Przybilla was a hell of a defender.

I’m so glad we have Kanter but I wish he could figure out both ends of the court. Seems like he has enough tools.

Kanter doesn't have the same instincts or developed skill set on defense. Why is Dame so damn quick and gets by just about any defender on offense but lets a lot of guys get by him on defense. I don't even think it comes down to effort. I think it's understanding and a different set of talents that makes you great at the different ends of the court. Some people are great at one, some are great at the other, some are great at both and others are shit.

 

[AldoTrapani]

Kanter doesn't have the same instincts or developed skill set on defense. Why is Dame so damn quick and gets by just about any defender on offense but lets a lot of guys get by him on defense. I don't even think it comes down to effort. I think it's understanding and a different set of talents that makes you great at the different ends of the court. Some people are great at one, some are great at the other, some are great at both and others are shit.

Maybe it’s an energy thing too. How do you go full speed killing guys on offense then expect to exert equal energy running around chasing guys on defense. It’s tough

 

[PCmor7]

Everything's been said here already, but the thing I've noticed is how nimble-footed he is in small spaces. He's very good at beating other rebounders to the ideal spot once he calculates where the ball is likely to come off -- not too far underneath the basket and not too far out, but getting to a spot about 2 feet off the rim at a trajectory of where the ball is likely to bounce.

He's not going to defend Chris Paul in wide-open space, but put him against Joel Embiid in a phone booth and Enes' feet are quick enough to let him carve out that little bit of space he needs to be in position for a rebound, and his base is strong enough that it's really hard to move him off that spot and his hands are strong enough that it's going to be really difficult to take the ball from him if he gets both hands on it.

Once he's that close, it's almost impossible to stop him from putting the ball back in. The closer you get a defender to the basket, the more it becomes about going straight up quickly. A 6-10 guy within 2 feet of the basket is almost impossible to stop, because the defender either is behind him or under the basket ... Rick Pitino called it "putting the defender in jail" when they're literally too close to the basket to be able to defend the shot.

 

[Hoopguru]

Everything's been said here already, but the thing I've noticed is how nimble-footed he is in small spaces. He's very good at beating other rebounders to the ideal spot once he calculates where the ball is likely to come off -- not too far underneath the basket and not too far out, but getting to a spot about 2 feet off the rim at a trajectory of where the ball is likely to bounce.

He's not going to defend Chris Paul in wide-open space, but put him against Joel Embiid in a phone booth and Enes' feet are quick enough to let him carve out that little bit of space he needs to be in position for a rebound, and his base is strong enough that it's really hard to move him off that spot and his hands are strong enough that it's going to be really difficult to take the ball from him if he gets both hands on it.

Once he's that close, it's almost impossible to stop him from putting the ball back in. The closer you get a defender to the basket, the more it becomes about going straight up quickly. A 6-10 guy within 2 feet of the basket is almost impossible to stop, because the defender either is behind him or under the basket ... Rick Pitino called it "putting the defender in jail" when they're literally too close to the basket to be able to defend the shot.

Very good take!

 

[Hoopguru]

Everything's been said here already, but the thing I've noticed is how nimble-footed he is in small spaces. He's very good at beating other rebounders to the ideal spot once he calculates where the ball is likely to come off -- not too far underneath the basket and not too far out, but getting to a spot about 2 feet off the rim at a trajectory of where the ball is likely to bounce.

He's not going to defend Chris Paul in wide-open space, but put him against Joel Embiid in a phone booth and Enes' feet are quick enough to let him carve out that little bit of space he needs to be in position for a rebound, and his base is strong enough that it's really hard to move him off that spot and his hands are strong enough that it's going to be really difficult to take the ball from him if he gets both hands on it.

Once he's that close, it's almost impossible to stop him from putting the ball back in. The closer you get a defender to the basket, the more it becomes about going straight up quickly. A 6-10 guy within 2 feet of the basket is almost impossible to stop, because the defender either is behind him or under the basket ... Rick Pitino called it "putting the defender in jail" when they're literally too close to the basket to be able to defend the shot.

The man can flat box out the way he was taught. Ive been amazed at how many bigs playing today don't BO very well.

 

[Hoopguru]

Well, the thread title asked how does Kanter do it, and you answered strength, among other things. I answered that I think he's a great inside scorer due to quick instincts, not superior strength.

Dames got quick instincts? lol
The dude is like one of those Arab muscle men in the video only moves in the teens.

 

[wizenheimer]

Kanter doesn't have the same instincts or developed skill set on defense. Why is Dame so damn quick and gets by just about any defender on offense but lets a lot of guys get by him on defense. I don't even think it comes down to effort. I think it's understanding and a different set of talents that makes you great at the different ends of the court. Some people are great at one, some are great at the other, some are great at both and others are shit.

I was thinking it might have to do with reaction and reflex, especially lateral. But Dame reacts to what a screen situation looks like all the time, and reacts to passing and driving lanes. Kanter reacts to shot trajectories and defensive positioning. Maybe Dame has great 'straight-line speed bu poor lateral reaction?

maybe a good defender has the ability to react with committing to anything other than being ready for the next need move. Maybe it's something I don't have a fucking clue about.

 

[wizenheimer]

if it was about quickness and jumping ability, Zach Randolph would not of had an NBA career

Moses Malone was not quick either

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

I would say that although his legs don't move very fast; that his arms and brain do.

 

[Hoopguru]

Dames got quick instincts? lol
The dude is like one of those Arab muscle men in the video only moves in the teens.

The guy with the barbells!