How good do you think Marcus can be this year?
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jerkstore)</div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jarkid)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
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That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p>
You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p>
If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p>
</p>
</div></p>
</p>
If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p>
you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p>
But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p>
when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p>
</div></p>
</p>
Yes he put time into his offseason, and yes he has a year under his belt, but Ghoti is sayining that it dosen't change the kind of player you are.</p>
</p>
We're not saying that he's a bad player, but he isn't a defensive-minded player. Marcus is offense-minded. He is very talented, we all agree, but he needs to assume responsibilty on the defensive end to be a consistant player. I hope I'm not butting in here. </div></p>
Let's not forget that he was also terrible on the offensive end last season.</p>
He started out displaying his marvelous court vision and setting up his teammates for easy hoops.</p>
As the season progressed he played well as a spot scorer and offensive spark off the bench.</p>
Then, he ababndoned his strength - his playmaking skill - and became a turnover machine. He threw horrible, "fancy" passes, took ill-advised shots, and made bonehead decision after bonehead decision.</p>
Then, when this kind of play - along with his lack of defensive ability - earned him less minutes, he sulked and acted like the coach was out to get him and his poor play wasn't his fault.</p>
He's very young and he didn't handle things that well. That's not unexpected at all. But it doesn't mean anyone should expect him to come back and immediately begin saving the season.</p>
He needs to be worked in slowly, get his conditioning up, and be put in situations where he can keep things simple and accentuate his strengths.</p>
</p>
</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
</p>
That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p>
You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p>
If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p>
</p>
</div></p>
</p>
If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p>
you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p>
But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p>
when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p>
</div></p>
</p>
Yes he put time into his offseason, and yes he has a year under his belt, but Ghoti is sayining that it dosen't change the kind of player you are.</p>
</p>
We're not saying that he's a bad player, but he isn't a defensive-minded player. Marcus is offense-minded. He is very talented, we all agree, but he needs to assume responsibilty on the defensive end to be a consistant player. I hope I'm not butting in here. </div></p>
Let's not forget that he was also terrible on the offensive end last season.</p>
He started out displaying his marvelous court vision and setting up his teammates for easy hoops.</p>
As the season progressed he played well as a spot scorer and offensive spark off the bench.</p>
Then, he ababndoned his strength - his playmaking skill - and became a turnover machine. He threw horrible, "fancy" passes, took ill-advised shots, and made bonehead decision after bonehead decision.</p>
Then, when this kind of play - along with his lack of defensive ability - earned him less minutes, he sulked and acted like the coach was out to get him and his poor play wasn't his fault.</p>
He's very young and he didn't handle things that well. That's not unexpected at all. But it doesn't mean anyone should expect him to come back and immediately begin saving the season.</p>
He needs to be worked in slowly, get his conditioning up, and be put in situations where he can keep things simple and accentuate his strengths.</p>
</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
I think he's going to play well and Ghoti is going to be wrong.</p>
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What specifically did I say that's going to be "wrong"?</p>
If it's that he won't be consistent and won't immediately save the season, I hope you are right.</p>
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I think he's going to play well and Ghoti is going to be wrong.</p>
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What specifically did I say that's going to be "wrong"?</p>
If it's that he won't be consistent and won't immediately save the season, I hope you are right.</p>
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did anyone else notice that antoine wright was used at the point agianst the Lakers, with Kidd as the 2 guard? I didn't get it either. Although Kidd took the inbound pass, he gave it to Wright at the top of the key who became the decision maker, while Kidd floated off to the left. Wright dribbled a bit and then passed it to Kidd or Carter. Don't know if this was a matchup thing or if we are looking at Wright's role expanding further. He has very, very few turnovers and has recently shown the ability to make some nice passes.</p>
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I just hope he's healthy and motivated. He's never going to be a lockdown defender, but if he hears enough that's he's a bad defender, hopefully he put in extra effort on the defensive end to try to at least slow down all those little guys that always cause the Nets so many problems. As far as his offense goes,I think that he will be better as the Nets style right now (w/ one big on the floor, and an athletic one at that) works well w/ what he can do.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
I think he's going to play well and Ghoti is going to be wrong.</p>
</div></p>
What specifically did I say that's going to be "wrong"?</p>
If it's that he won't be consistent and won't immediately save the season, I hope you are right.</p>
</p>
</p>
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I think he's going to consistent and be a better passer then you think.</p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
I think he's going to play well and Ghoti is going to be wrong.</p>
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What specifically did I say that's going to be "wrong"?</p>
If it's that he won't be consistent and won't immediately save the season, I hope you are right.</p>
</p>
</p>
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I think he's going to consistent and be a better passer then you think.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
did anyone else notice that antoine wright was used at the point agianst the Lakers, with Kidd as the 2 guard? I didn't get it either. Although Kidd took the inbound pass, he gave it to Wright at the top of the key who became the decision maker, while Kidd floated off to the left. Wright dribbled a bit and then passed it to Kidd or Carter. Don't know if this was a matchup thing or if we are looking at Wright's role expanding further. He has very, very few turnovers and has recently shown the ability to make some nice passes.</p>
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Marcus Williams.</p>
did anyone else notice that antoine wright was used at the point agianst the Lakers, with Kidd as the 2 guard? I didn't get it either. Although Kidd took the inbound pass, he gave it to Wright at the top of the key who became the decision maker, while Kidd floated off to the left. Wright dribbled a bit and then passed it to Kidd or Carter. Don't know if this was a matchup thing or if we are looking at Wright's role expanding further. He has very, very few turnovers and has recently shown the ability to make some nice passes.</p>
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Marcus Williams.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
I think he's going to play well and Ghoti is going to be wrong.</p>
</div></p>
What specifically did I say that's going to be "wrong"?</p>
If it's that he won't be consistent and won't immediately save the season, I hope you are right.</p>
</p>
</p>
</div></p>
I think he's going to consistent and be a better passer then you think.</p>
</div></p>
I think he's one of the ten best passers in the NBA.</p>
I also think that if he started for a bad team, he'd average over 10 APG.</p>
That doesn't change anything else I've said about him. It's part of the reason he was so frustrating.</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (ghoti)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jizzy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
I think he's going to play well and Ghoti is going to be wrong.</p>
</div></p>
What specifically did I say that's going to be "wrong"?</p>
If it's that he won't be consistent and won't immediately save the season, I hope you are right.</p>
</p>
</p>
</div></p>
I think he's going to consistent and be a better passer then you think.</p>
</div></p>
I think he's one of the ten best passers in the NBA.</p>
I also think that if he started for a bad team, he'd average over 10 APG.</p>
That doesn't change anything else I've said about him. It's part of the reason he was so frustrating.</p>
</p>
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<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Dumpy)</div><div class='quotemain'></p>
did anyone else notice that antoine wright was used at the point agianst the Lakers, with Kidd as the 2 guard? I didn't get it either. Although Kidd took the inbound pass, he gave it to Wright at the top of the key who became the decision maker, while Kidd floated off to the left. Wright dribbled a bit and then passed it to Kidd or Carter. Don't know if this was a matchup thing or if we are looking at Wright's role expanding further. He has very, very few turnovers and has recently shown the ability to make some nice passes.</p>
</div></p>
</p>
I hope you also noticed that a couple times, when it was him and VC manning the guard positions, Toine could barely get the ball past the halfcourt line while being pressured. That's exactly what Dave D. said happened to him during Summer League.</p>
Perhaps he's being trusted more as a decision maker and passer, but as a point guard, it just ain't gonna work.</p>
did anyone else notice that antoine wright was used at the point agianst the Lakers, with Kidd as the 2 guard? I didn't get it either. Although Kidd took the inbound pass, he gave it to Wright at the top of the key who became the decision maker, while Kidd floated off to the left. Wright dribbled a bit and then passed it to Kidd or Carter. Don't know if this was a matchup thing or if we are looking at Wright's role expanding further. He has very, very few turnovers and has recently shown the ability to make some nice passes.</p>
</div></p>
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I hope you also noticed that a couple times, when it was him and VC manning the guard positions, Toine could barely get the ball past the halfcourt line while being pressured. That's exactly what Dave D. said happened to him during Summer League.</p>
Perhaps he's being trusted more as a decision maker and passer, but as a point guard, it just ain't gonna work.</p>
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[quote name='ghoti']
[quote name='jerkstore'][quote name='jarkid']</p>
[quote name='ghoti']</p>
</p>
That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p>
You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p>
If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p>
</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
</p>
If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p>
you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p>
But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p>
when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
</p>
Yes he put time into his offseason, and yes he has a year under his belt, but Ghoti is sayining that it dosen't change the kind of player you are.</p>
</p>
We're not saying that he's a bad player, but he isn't a defensive-minded player. Marcus is offense-minded. He is very talented, we all agree, but he needs to assume responsibilty on the defensive end to be a consistant player. I hope I'm not butting in here. [/QUOTE]</p>
Let's not forget that he was also terrible on the offensive end last season.</p>
He started out displaying his marvelous court vision and setting up his teammates for easy hoops.</p>
As the season progressed he played well as a spot scorer and offensive spark off the bench.</p>
Then, he ababndoned his strength - his playmaking skill - and became a turnover machine. He threw horrible, "fancy" passes, took ill-advised shots, and made bonehead decision after bonehead decision.</p>
Then, when this kind of play - along with his lack of defensive ability - earned him less minutes, he sulked and acted like the coach was out to get him and his poor play wasn't his fault.</p>
He's very young and he didn't handle things that well. That's not unexpected at all. But it doesn't mean anyone should expect him to come back and immediately begin saving the season.</p>
He needs to be worked in slowly, get his conditioning up, and be put in situations where he can keep things simple and accentuate his strengths.</p>
</p>
</p>[/QUOTE]
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You said it better than I ever could, that's a very unbiased assesment. I happen to think that Marcus tried to do too much last season.
</p> When he played for the second unit it was often with Vince and Boki/House and Mikki/Cliff and not Boone or Hassan (more and more as the season progressed).
</p>He had no finishers inside, save Boki and the tiny hands of Mikki Moore, in the second unit.
</p>So Marcus tries to lead from the perimeter to loosen the inside. I think the "motion" sets may make it a bit easier for him to make things happen.
</p> Also the pick and roll with "no finish" Boone did not benefit him. From Marcus' perspective Sean Williams is a taller Hassan who will play big minutes. Marcus Wright Sean Boone Vince? Neat. In the fourth quarter? Maybe..
</p>
A guy can hope right? Anyway, with better bigs, and what might be a windfall with better spacing and lots more passing, Marcus might catch a break and manage to look alot better pretty easily.
[quote name='jerkstore'][quote name='jarkid']</p>
[quote name='ghoti']</p>
</p>
That does not say he's a bust or that he will never get better, so that wasn't a very good retort.</p>
You want me to say that I think he will be a completely different player the second he steps on the court this season? After months of inactivity and a season of inconsistant play that degenerated into very poor play?</p>
If he does improve this year - and that is no guarantee - I don't think it will be anytime soon.</p>
</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
</p>
If you had never heard how hard he worked in the off-season,but just played video games, and went to the pubs,</p>
you probably could set your thought about him by his rookie season.</p>
But the truth is opposite. You know he made many horrible mistakes, but it's his rookie season,</p>
when you trie the new things, you bumbled. But wouldn't you learnlittle things from the error at least?</p>
[/QUOTE]</p>
</p>
Yes he put time into his offseason, and yes he has a year under his belt, but Ghoti is sayining that it dosen't change the kind of player you are.</p>
</p>
We're not saying that he's a bad player, but he isn't a defensive-minded player. Marcus is offense-minded. He is very talented, we all agree, but he needs to assume responsibilty on the defensive end to be a consistant player. I hope I'm not butting in here. [/QUOTE]</p>
Let's not forget that he was also terrible on the offensive end last season.</p>
He started out displaying his marvelous court vision and setting up his teammates for easy hoops.</p>
As the season progressed he played well as a spot scorer and offensive spark off the bench.</p>
Then, he ababndoned his strength - his playmaking skill - and became a turnover machine. He threw horrible, "fancy" passes, took ill-advised shots, and made bonehead decision after bonehead decision.</p>
Then, when this kind of play - along with his lack of defensive ability - earned him less minutes, he sulked and acted like the coach was out to get him and his poor play wasn't his fault.</p>
He's very young and he didn't handle things that well. That's not unexpected at all. But it doesn't mean anyone should expect him to come back and immediately begin saving the season.</p>
He needs to be worked in slowly, get his conditioning up, and be put in situations where he can keep things simple and accentuate his strengths.</p>
</p>
</p>[/QUOTE]
</p>
You said it better than I ever could, that's a very unbiased assesment. I happen to think that Marcus tried to do too much last season.
</p> When he played for the second unit it was often with Vince and Boki/House and Mikki/Cliff and not Boone or Hassan (more and more as the season progressed).
</p>He had no finishers inside, save Boki and the tiny hands of Mikki Moore, in the second unit.
</p>So Marcus tries to lead from the perimeter to loosen the inside. I think the "motion" sets may make it a bit easier for him to make things happen.
</p> Also the pick and roll with "no finish" Boone did not benefit him. From Marcus' perspective Sean Williams is a taller Hassan who will play big minutes. Marcus Wright Sean Boone Vince? Neat. In the fourth quarter? Maybe..
</p>
A guy can hope right? Anyway, with better bigs, and what might be a windfall with better spacing and lots more passing, Marcus might catch a break and manage to look alot better pretty easily.
