Event How is this crap Tolerated by Portland Citizens?

[MarAzul]

deportation deters

Deportation is not to deter. The purpose is to ship their ass out so they can not commit. Sort of why the wall is needed to make it stick.
Brick , laser or hyper zapper.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Like this guy from Ohio -- what amazing goal was accomplished by deporting him?

http://fox8.com/2017/07/18/ohio-father-of-four-deported-back-to-mexico/

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Like this guy from Ohio -- what amazing goal was accomplished by deporting him?

http://fox8.com/2017/07/18/ohio-father-of-four-deported-back-to-mexico/

The same goal a cop accomplishes if he gives someone doing 80 in a 60 a ticket even though the guy has a "I support the police" bumper sticker on his car. Deterrent, that's what. If everyone knows that they can come here illegally and stay as long as they don't join MS13 they'll just keep coming.

Pretty sure the guy in your link has had 2 more kids since he was ordered out in 2011.

 

[Minstrel]

And I would argue that the number of people who still choose to follow proper immigration procedures provides some evidence that immigration laws still provide a deterrence effect as well. Otherwise a lot more people would be flooding across borders with no regard for the consequences, no?

Possibly? I'm honestly not sure. It might be that the difficulty of the journey is what caps the amount of people, not the ICE agents and threat of deportation, or that the number of people who see starting over in a new country where they have no rights and don't speak the language is not much larger than the number that already cross in. It is interesting that this guy had been deported 20 times--deportation may be nothing more than an inconvenience. That's why my suggestion is that, rather than a huge deportation crackdown, arrest people who commit crimes against others, throw them before a judge and put them in jail. That might do more to prevent this kind of crime than deporting them.

 

[Minstrel]

Deportation is not to deter. The purpose is to ship their ass out so they can not commit.

And does that work? Did it prevent this guy from "committing?" Apparently not.

 

[MarAzul]

Sort of why the wall is needed to make it stick.
Brick , laser or hyper zapper.

And does that work? Did it prevent this guy from "committing?" Apparently not.

See the second part.

 

[Minstrel]

See the second part.

I don't think that wall is going to get built, man. We may have to plan for a no-wall reality.

 

[andalusian]

Are there enough contractors to fire for the wall to be built?

Are there any contractors that do not use Hispanic labor?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Are there enough contractors to fire for the wall to be built?

Are there any contractors that do not use Hispanic labor?

Not any that can compete against the ones who hire illegals.

 

[Sedatedfork]

Trump will use prison labor. Then when they all go to prison, they can physically build the wall.

 

[Minstrel]

Trump doesn't have a problem using illegal immigrant labor.

As Marco Rubio said in a debate, google Donald Trump and Polish workers.

 

[andalusian]

Trump will use prison labor. Then when they all go to prison, they can physically build the wall.

But how can you fire them? This does not compute.

 

[Minstrel]

Trump will use prison labor. Then when they all go to prison, they can physically build the wall.

And when they die from heat exposure, they can be part of the wall.

 

[Natebishop3]

What more do you want them to do?

Trial by combat.

 

[Nate]

So what you are saying is deportation doesn't work. What more do you want them to do?

That's why I've always advocated the death penalty.

 

[Five Second Violation]

Possibly? I'm honestly not sure. It might be that the difficulty of the journey is what caps the amount of people, not the ICE agents and threat of deportation, or that the number of people who see starting over in a new country where they have no rights and don't speak the language is not much larger than the number that already cross in. It is interesting that this guy had been deported 20 times--deportation may be nothing more than an inconvenience. That's why my suggestion is that, rather than a huge deportation crackdown, arrest people who commit crimes against others, throw them before a judge and put them in jail. That might do more to prevent this kind of crime than deporting them.

Either way there's going to be a logistics issue. Mass deportation sounds okay in theory but it's obviously incredibly tough to implement in reality and there's a lack of resources to make it effective. And using local budget resources to keep illegals locked up here quickly gets dicey as well. Either way, I'm pretty sure that the answer isn't to release him back to the public and refuse to comply with ICE, as Portland officials did here.

 

[MarAzul]

Are there any contractors that do not use Hispanic labor?

Probably not anymore. But then they paid better than minimum wage in yesterdays.

 

[H.C.]

ah, the old build the wall.
Shame a wall alone doesn't work.
Know your history ~