How is this possible????

[Blazer4life]

If we can not make contact with free agents until tonight at 9:01 pacific time, how the hell does Jason Kidd have a scehdueled meeting with Donnie Walsh and Mike D'antoni tomorrow morning when he is technically still under contract with the Mavericks? I mean, Cuban is flying to New York to meet with him before the Knicks do? How can any of this be possible and how are the Knicks not tampering with a player that is not yet a free agent?

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/b..._agent_point_guard_former_net_jason_kidd.html

http://www.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/60215/20090630/sources_cuban_to_meet_with_kidd/

 

[RickyRubio]

Do you know anything about time zones?

 

[talman]

Do you know anything about time zones?

Umm, he's not talking about time zones. He's asking how can there be a prearranged meeting already when there's a no contact rule in place.

 

[Blazer4life]

Do you know anything about time zones?

Yes I do. But the article states that he has a meeting already set in the morning with the Knicks. My question is how can it be possible to have a meeting set with a player that is not yet a free agent. That would be tampering IMO. Thats what Im asking.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Per Cuban's Twitter, Cuban's on the way to NY too? I'll have to find the tweet later.

This all seems so odd. My guess is Dallas and NY are working on a sign-and-trade of Nate Robinson (makes more sense) or David Lee to Dallas for Kidd?

Then it's not tampering.

 

[Crimson the Cat]

Getting ready to fly up to NYC for Free Agent meeting at 12:01.. Sorry , no Tweet Up at this one !

http://twitter.com/mcuban

 

[Tince]

Can teams talk to agents? Or can agents send out something saying their player will be somewhere at 12:01?

 

[Blazer4life]

Per Cuban's Twitter, Cuban's on the way to NY too? I'll have to find the tweet later.

This all seems so odd. My guess is Dallas and NY are working on a sign-and-trade of Nate Robinson (makes more sense) or David Lee to Dallas for Kidd?

Then it's not tampering.

That I would agree with as far as not being tampering but the article stated that they would meet with Kidd and try to sign him to the mid level exception or work out a sign and trade. The fact that they already have a meeting with Kidd would be strictly for the purpose of them signing him as a free agent otherwise they wouldnt be talking with Kidd but instead Cuban. In any event contact with Kidd and the fact that Kidd is flying to New York already IMO is tampering.

 

[anique_24]

Since Cuban is going too, I doubt its gonna be considered tampering. Probably a sign and trade. Damn! Now the Lakers won't get Kidd!!

 

[RickyRubio]

Yes I do. But the article states that he has a meeting already set in the morning with the Knicks. My question is how can it be possible to have a meeting set with a player that is not yet a free agent. That would be tampering IMO. Thats what Im asking.

SOMEONE CALL THE COPS! ARREST CUBAN! HE ARRANGED A MEETING!

 

[Blazer4life]

Can teams talk to agents? Or can agents send out something saying their player will be somewhere at 12:01?

Agents represent the players but I would think they too would create violations if they were prearranging deals to meet with other teams while still being under contract to another team. Besides, there would be a lot out of work agents from teams pissed off that they took their player elsewhere, especially if that team wanted to resign that player.

 

[B-Roy]

Since Cuban is going too, I doubt its gonna be considered tampering. Probably a sign and trade. Damn! Now the Lakers won't get Kidd!!

Should be more focused on Ariza and Odom.

 

[Blazer4life]

SOMEONE CALL THE COPS! ARREST CUBAN! HE ARRANGED A MEETING!

Whatever man. The article never says Cuban arranged any meeting, just that Kidd was meeting with the Knicks. Thats why I asked the question. If you don't like the question you dont have to respond.

 

[anique_24]

Should be more focused on Ariza and Odom.

Yeah, I 'm already confident that we can get Ariza and Odom, though I'm kinda nervous about the offers Ariza is gonna get.

 

[Blazer4life]

SOMEONE CALL THE COPS! ARREST CUBAN! HE ARRANGED A MEETING!

BTW, Tampering is a big deal, ask the T-Wolves happens when you tamper with a player.

 

[hasoos]

I believe that the rules say you can only start negotiationg at the deadline. To believe you can't set up an appointment ahead of time with an agent in these modern times, is asinine at best.

 

[RickyRubio]

Whatever man. The article never says Cuban arranged any meeting, just that Kidd was meeting with the Knicks. Thats why I asked the question. If you don't like the question you dont have to respond.

SOMEONE PLEASE CALL 9-1-1!!!!1!!!1ONE!!1ELEVEN!!11

 

[BrianFromWA]

BTW, Tampering is a big deal, ask the T-Wolves happens when you tamper with a player.

The Joe Smith thing wasn't a "Meeting with the player before the deadline" tamper job, it was an "under the table against the rules of the CBA" job.

 

[rocketeer]

I believe that the rules say you can only start negotiationg at the deadline. To believe you can't set up an appointment ahead of time with an agent in these modern times, is asinine at best.

correct. how is arranging a meeting to negotiate at the appropriate time tampering?

 

[PapaG]

The Joe Smith thing wasn't a "Meeting with the player before the deadline" tamper job, it was an "under the table against the rules of the CBA" job.

Technically, it could be considered the same thing in terms of violating the CBA.

 

[PapaG]

correct. how is arranging a meeting to negotiate at the appropriate time tampering?

Any contact prior to July 1st could be considered tampering. An interesting situation. Can't wait to see how Stern favors the big market team this time.

 

[rocketeer]

Any contact prior to July 1st could be considered tampering. An interesting situation. Can't wait to see how Stern favors the big market team this time.

i disagree. is accidentally running into a player on the street tampering?

 

[Blazer4life]

i disagree. is accidentally running into a player on the street tampering?

To be fair, the article never said that Kidd was in New York on vacation and ran into Walsh, it said that he was going to New York to meet with him.

 

[Blazer4life]

correct. how is arranging a meeting to negotiate at the appropriate time tampering?

Honestly I agree with you on this, but what I don't understand is if this is an ok practice why wouldn't all agents line up their marque players for immediate meetings with teams top execs at midnight? Why are we only hearing Kidds name? It just doesn't make much sense to me.

 

[rocketeer]

To be fair, the article never said that Kidd was in New York on vacation and ran into Walsh, it said that he was going to New York to meet with him.

true, i was just responding to the "any contact is tampering" with that response.

i just don't see why arranging a meeting to discuss things at the appropriate time would be tampering, though i'm also not sure why it isn't done more often. if i had to guess i'd probably say it was because meeting at the first second possible really isn't all that relevant to who the player ultimately signs with.

 

[Minstrel]

if i had to guess i'd probably say it was because meeting at the first second possible really isn't all that relevant to who the player ultimately signs with.

Yup, that was my thought, too. Walsh has decided to make a gesture...but it's probably a gesture that generally doesn't matter much. Premium free agents generally allow for a long courtship over the summer from teams.

 

[Boob-No-More]

I'm sure Donnie Walsh's people contacted Jason Kidd's people to set up the meeting. As long as they weren't negotiating, making an offer, or talking dollars or contract length before tonight at midnight, it's not tampering. I make an appointment with my dentist 6 months ahead of time, but he doesn't start drilling until he has taken x-rays and has my butt in his chair. There is a difference between scheduling an appointment and what actually takes place at that appointment. No tampering at all.

Who knows, the Blazers may already have muliple phone calls arranged for the players they are targeting. I'd be surprised if they don't. Again, as long as they haven't talked terms, there is nothing wrong with pre-arranging a phone meeting.

BNM