How long do we get to watch Oden get missed over and over again

[hasoos]

That's a nice try - but it is not so - since some points are not from assists - but from one-on-one iso plays, some are from put-backs, some are from steals.

For reference:

Brandon Roy AST% = 26% (Just one percent more than Blake), Aldridge is at 8%, Batum at 9%, Oden at 5%, Rudy is at 12% (a problem with Sergio dominating the ball - if Sergio did not and allowed Rudy to create more - his AST% would go up)

Elite PGs in the league are usually in the 30% - for example, Billups is at 33%, Nash is at an ungodly 39%, Kidd is at 33%

But - if we look at point guards that play next to a dominant SG that distributes (as Blake does) - Mario Chalmers is at 22%, Derek Fisher is at 16%, Mike Bibby is at 26%.

Again - you are selling Blake short - he is a much better PG than we are willing to give him credit.

On the turn-over issue - I have a beef with MM who last year called Jarret Jack a "walking turnover". JJ had a miserable 19% TOV% - but I am wondering why I have not heard a pip from MM about Sergio's atrocious 25% yet...

If we could only have shipped Sergio instead of Jack to Indiana in the trade we would have been looking golden now, especially with JJack's ability to finish at the rim...

I think we will have to agree to disagree. I view the fact that Roy is better at him in assist as a problem, not a positive, because your SG should not average more assist or "percentage of assist" than your PG. Comparing him to Mario Chalmers and Derek Fisher does no justice either. Derek Fisher plays more as a shooter than a fasciliatator. Mario Chalmers hands the rock to Wade and gets out of the way, and has nobody to throw to on the front line to score. Mike Bibby has never been a pass first PG. He gets his assist within the flow of the game, while creating his own. Basically, what your stat shows, is Blake is a backup PG.

That stuff about Jack is just crazy talk. I am sorry, but you are way out there. I am really, really glad Jack is gone, and I liked him when he came on board, but that guy is one of those players, who finds a way to lose a game. Talk stats all you want. It's about W's. Jack found a way to bring you an "L". You have to be able to recognize those types of players, and get them off your roster. It doesn't take a whole lot of time to remember him making a lot of very untimely bad plays he made last year. Tried hard. But isn't a guy you want on your team if you want to win. Remember him turning over the all on the fast break against Cleveland and giving Lebron a chance to win the game? Still want him here?

 

[andalusian]

I think we will have to agree to disagree.

Fair enough.

I view the fact that Roy is better at him in assist as a problem, not a positive, because your SG should not average more assist or "percentage of assist" than your PG. Comparing him to Mario Chalmers and Derek Fisher does no justice either. Derek Fisher plays more as a shooter than a fasciliatator. Mario Chalmers hands the rock to Wade and gets out of the way, and has nobody to throw to on the front line to score. Mike Bibby has never been a pass first PG. He gets his assist within the flow of the game, while creating his own. Basically, what your stat shows, is Blake is a backup PG.

I am sorry - but the numbers do not back you up.

Brandon Roy's Usage% (the number of possessions he is involved in when he is on the court) is 28%. Blake's 17%. The fact that their AST% is basically the same tells you that Blake plays more as a PG than Brandon - Brandon's high assist percentage is because of the fact that he dominates the ball so much - which is a good thing - he is so good that he should do it.

But - your claims about Fisher and Chalmers are wrong - their usage% is about the same as Blake's - while Bibby's is actually higher - so the numbers show that Blake is a better PG than you give him credit. For the record - I am willing to bet that if you do not have Brandon dominating the ball as much as he does - Blake goes closer to the 30% Assist% which is among the better point-guards in the league. He is not elite - but he manages the game pretty well. The place where he fails as a starter PG in this league is not on offense (as is clear by Portland's offensive efficiency - among the best in the league) - but on defense.

What my stats do show is that Blake is doing a fine job offensively this year and is not used only as a 3P threat (just for reference, Rudy who really is used mostly as a 3P threat has an assist% of 12 - which is half as much as Blake)

That stuff about Jack is just crazy talk. I am sorry, but you are way out there. I am really, really glad Jack is gone, and I liked him when he came on board, but that guy is one of those players, who finds a way to lose a game. Talk stats all you want. It's about W's. Jack found a way to bring you an "L". You have to be able to recognize those types of players, and get them off your roster. It doesn't take a whole lot of time to remember him making a lot of very untimely bad plays he made last year. Tried hard. But isn't a guy you want on your team if you want to win. Remember him turning over the all on the fast break against Cleveland and giving Lebron a chance to win the game? Still want him here?

Over Sergio? You bet. His TOV% is down to 17% this year (much much better than the running turn-over machine that Sergio is), He can actually score at an efficient rate (his TS% is much higher than Sergio) and he does it at the same usage percent. Sure - he is not as flashy and there will be less pretty assists and ally-oops with Rudy - but we are less likely to turn the ball over, when he attacks the rim and goes for a layup there is a good chance (rather than a very small chance) that he actually will put the ball in the hole, he draws FT attempts at more than twice the rate that Sergio does while fouling less and he dominates the ball less - making Rudy a more effective player next to him - because Rudy will be able to dribble and create for others.

Somehow JJ's turn-over is worse than Sergio's? Sergio turns the ball over more often than Jack. For every turn-overs Jack gives you - Sergio gives you 3!