How low will California fall?

[EL PRESIDENTE]

This state is almost comically bad. Just saw a flash on my twitter feed that the CA supreme court decided that illegals can get in-state tuition at california colleges. WTF. Jerry Brown will continue these kind of policies.

I think it will be pretty brutal in the next 5 years here. The state government is totally corrupt and they push these liberal policies that are going to fall flat on their ass. The pension system is a huge time-bomb and is unsustainable.

I see zero chance of recovery for this state. Bankruptcy and then a federal bailout is the only thing that's going to happen here. treading water.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2010/11/undocumented-students.html

The California Supreme Court decided uanimously Monday that illegal immigrants may continue to be eligible for in-state tuition at the state's colleges and universities rather than pay the higher rates charged to those who live out of state.

In a ruling written by Justice Ming W. Chin, one of the court's more conservative members, the state high court said a California law that guarantees the lower tuition for students who attend California high schools for three years and graduate does not conflict with a federal prohibition on giving illegal immigrants educational benefits based on residency.

California is one of several states that permit illegal immigrants to take advantage of lower college tuition for students who attend high school and graduate in state. About 25,000 illegal immigrants are estimated to receive in-state tuition in California.

 

[barfo]

Bankruptcy and then a federal bailout is the only thing that's going to happen here. treading water.

And then the UAW will be the main shareholder of California!

barfo

 

[maxiep]

http://reason.com/blog/2010/11/12/surprise-california-budget-def

 

[blazerboy30]

Agreed. We're totally screwed.

 

[Denny Crane]

Why shouldn't the students get the lower tuition rates?

 

[maxiep]

For the record, I think CA will have to default and essentially declare bankruptcy. I think they will go to the Federal Government for a bailout and this Republican House will tell them to pound sand.

CA will have to make some hard choices regarding its pensions and it will only be a harbinger for NY, IL, MD and OR.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Just wait until the cap and trade shit starts here. Going to be brutal.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Warming_Solutions_Act_of_2006

 

[maxiep]

Why shouldn't the students get the lower tuition rates?

Why should the state subsidize college education?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Why shouldn't the students get the lower tuition rates?

they are not California residents. They are not even United States residents. if they want to go to college, pay what international students pay.

 

[Denny Crane]

they are not California residents. They are not even United States residents. if they want to go to college, pay what international students pay.

They are california residents, and certainly US residents.

They went to high school in california for 3 years. That makes them residents, and qualifies them for the lower tuition.

 

[Denny Crane]

Why should the state subsidize college education?

Why shouldn't it?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

http://www.forbes.com/2010/11/10/ca...butors-larry-bell.html?boxes=Homepagechannels

As it now stands, AB 32, California's climate change law, mandates a 30% cut in carbon emissions from cars, trucks, utilities and other businesses by 2020. It is to be accomplished with a web of new taxes and regulations scheduled to take effect in 2012. This, of course, serves as a prospective bonanza for alternative energy investors and producers, (wind, solar and other so-called clean sources) that can't otherwise compete with fossil fuels. Proposition 23 would have suspended AB 32 until such time that the state unemployment rate declined to 5.5% or less for four consecutive quarters.

Now, while California focuses on wind turbines, solar panels and electric cars, vast offshore oil resources remain undeveloped and nuclear power is ignored. Consequently, the energy-starved state's employment and economic future is bleak. A 2009 Milken Institute study showed a recent loss of nearly 400,000 manufacturing jobs.

A 2009 study undertaken by economists at California State University-Sacramento estimated that AB 32 implementation costs "could easily exceed $100 billion" and that the program would raise the cost of living by $7,857 per household annually by 2020. The California Small Business Roundtable commissioned the research.

The regulatory environment has turned dreams of good lives into nightmares for many who are leaving in hordes, taking much of the state's tax base with them. About 2.14 million people fled to other states between 2005 and 2007, while only 1.44 million moved in. Meanwhile, the state's debt rises at a rate of about $25 million per day. Some 2.3 million Californians (12.5%) are without employment, and factory jobs plummeted from 1.87 million to 1.23 million (34% of the industrial base) since 2001. California, with 12% of the U.S. population, has nearly a one-third of the nation's welfare recipients--15.3% of all Californians live in poverty. Its budget gap for 2009 to 2010 ($45 billion) equaled 53% of total state spending. This occurred despite having the nation's highest state sales tax and third-highest income tax.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

They are california residents, and certainly US residents.

They went to high school in california for 3 years. That makes them residents, and qualifies them for the lower tuition.

they are not US Citizens. They are essentially illegal squatters.

so if you go to high school for 3 years, you automatically get US residency and citizenship? If true, that's pretty lame.

 

[Denny Crane]

no it doesn't.

so if you go to high school for 3 years, you automatically get US residency and citizenship? If true, that's pretty lame.

Residency means to live here. That they do.

 

[maxiep]

Why shouldn't it?

First, your state can't afford it. Choices have to be made.

Second, if state universities can't compete with private colleges, they should close down.

Third, college is a benefit paid for by all but utilized by a few. Furthermore, those few earn more money than those that can't gain entry into or choose not to participate in the system. Why should those who are destined to make less money subsized those who will make more?

Your turn.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Residency means to live here. That they do.

illegally.

 

[Denny Crane]

First, your state can't afford it. Choices have to be made.

Second, if state universities can't compete with private colleges, they should close down.

Third, college is a benefit paid for by all but utilized by a few. Furthermore, those few earn more money than those that can't gain entry into or choose not to participate in the system. Why should those who are destined to make less money subsized those who will make more?

Your turn.

They built a road in the state 500 miles away from me. Utilized not by me. But I send a fedex to someone 500 miles away and the fedex truck drives on that road and my package gets there.

So "utilized by a few" is a specious argument at best. Without the analogy, the guy who went to cal-berkley who invented something you use means you benefit from his education.

your second point is bullshit, frankly. The schools do charge tuition. Whatever extra they need is typically for research and that sort of thing. If people can't afford to go, financial aid is there. It's there for private colleges, too.

Your first point is valid, but I'm not sure closing down universities is a higher priority than a whole slew of other things, when it comes to cutting spending.

 

[Denny Crane]

illegally.

So what?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

So what?

really?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

its exactly this kind of attitude that ensures a systemic failure of california. "oh yeah, you're illegal, no matter, we'll just look the other way! everyone deserves to be here and use the facilities!"

 

[HailBlazers]

They will Fall into the Ocean. It's impossible to pay for all the services their liberal agenda demands.

There already borrowing 40 mil a day for unemployment

http://caffertyfile.blogs.cnn.com/2...wing-40-millionday-for-unemployment-benefits/

 

[Denny Crane]

heh

The "illegals" pay their way in so many ways. I have no beef with them paying for an education here. I really just hope they stay here with their Rocket Science degrees and make the place that much better.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

heh

The "illegals" pay their way in so many ways. I have no beef with them paying for an education here. I really just hope they stay here with their Rocket Science degrees and make the place that much better.

the rocket companies will all be moving out of state soon enough. Northurp Gruman already moved a bunch of their corporate to the east coast and when more of this global warming regulation and carbon cap and trade comes, they'll move manufacturing.

 

[blazerboy30]

Why shouldn't the students get the lower tuition rates?

Are they in-state and have been paying taxes tot he state which have gone to paying for the university?

 

[Denny Crane]

Are they in-state and have been paying taxes tot he state which have gone to paying for the university?

Yep.

They are required to attend a state HS for 3 years and to graduate to qualify for the lower (in state) tuition.

 

[blazerboy30]

Yep.

They are required to attend a state HS for 3 years and to graduate to qualify for the lower (in state) tuition.

And state income taxes?

 

[Denny Crane]

Hell, the stereotype is that the illegals buy a lot of lottery tickets. The lottery is indeed supposed to fund schools.

 

[blazerboy30]

Why not give out-of-state residents in-state tuition?

 

[Denny Crane]

And state income taxes?

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18077009/ns/business-personal_finance

Illegal immigrants filing taxes more than ever