How (Not) To Argue

[blue9]

Unlikely as it may be, I figured I'd post some links to commonly used argumentative techniques used in here (and the world at large), in the hopes that people will use them less often.

Straw Man: https://effectiviology.com/straw-man-arguments-recognize-counter-use/
Ad Hominem: https://effectiviology.com/ad-hominem-fallacy/
Logical Fallacy: https://effectiviology.com/guide-to-logical-fallacies/

I also found this section to be a useful reminder:

When you counter fallacies that other people use, it’s important to remember that not every use of a logical fallacy is intentional, and to act accordingly. Specifically, attacking your opponent too forcefully for using a fallacious argument might lead to a backfire effect, where they are not willing to change their mind on a topic, even after you show them their reasoning is flawed.

Therefore, where possible, try to assume that the person you are talking to is not using fallacious arguments on purpose, and help them internalize the error in their reasoning, by pointing it out in a non-confrontational manner.

In addition, remember that you too might be using logical fallacies unintentionally in your thinking and in your communication with others. To identify cases where you are doing this, try to examine your reasoning, and see if you can identify any flaws, either in the way that your arguments are structured, or in the premises that you rely on in order to make those arguments. Then, try to adjust your reasoning, in order to avoid making these errors.

Perhaps a mod could sticky this?

 

[CupWizier]

I disagree. Now let's argue about it.

 

[Reep]

Unlikely as it may be, I figured I'd post some links to commonly used argumentative techniques used in here (and the world at large), in the hopes that people will use them less often.

Straw Man: https://effectiviology.com/straw-man-arguments-recognize-counter-use/
Ad Hominem: https://effectiviology.com/ad-hominem-fallacy/
Logical Fallacy: https://effectiviology.com/guide-to-logical-fallacies/

I also found this section to be a useful reminder:


Perhaps a mod could sticky this?

You give the average poster on this forum way too much credit. I don't disagree, but can't imagine the posters most likely to use the above would understand or even care why they shouldn't.

Skillful debate is a lost art with most people learning that yelling a mantra over and over is more productive than learning to articulate your beliefs. Extra points if you yell the mantra through a megaphone.

 

[barfo]

You claim I'm making a scarecrow, but since you fuck goats you must be wrong.

barfo

 

[Propagandist]

Unlikely as it may be, I figured I'd post some links to commonly used argumentative techniques used in here (and the world at large), in the hopes that people will use them less often.

Straw Man: https://effectiviology.com/straw-man-arguments-recognize-counter-use/
Ad Hominem: https://effectiviology.com/ad-hominem-fallacy/
Logical Fallacy: https://effectiviology.com/guide-to-logical-fallacies/

I also found this section to be a useful reminder:


Perhaps a mod could sticky this?

People aren't ready for this stuff, man.

 

[Reep]

You claim I'm making a scarecrow, but since you fuck goats you must be wrong.

barfo

Excellent. At least Barfo understands all three.

 

[Propagandist]

"I disagree," said the embodiment of the Straw Man. "Now let's argue about it."

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Perhaps a mod could sticky this?

Feel free to bump the thread when appropriate but I'm not going to sticky it.

 

[Orion Bailey]

I disagree. Now let's argue about it.

I agree with it, but Im not gonna argue about it. Im not. I am NOT!!!

You give the average poster on this forum way too much credit. I don't disagree, but can't imagine the posters most likely to use the above would understand or even care why they shouldn't.

Skillful debate is a lost art with most people learning that yelling a mantra over and over is more productive than learning to articulate your beliefs. Extra points if you yell the mantra through a megaphone.

This is the world today and I blame social media and media in general. The loudest voice and the one who repeats themselves the most is allowed to take over everything else.
Because TV allows the loudest to be broadcast the most, the general public fall in line and think if they are the loudest then they too will be heard the most. And they are not wrong, as unfortunate as it is.

The ones who are able to maintain logic in a civil manner, are often fallen upon deaf ears and short term attention spans....

 

[Wizard Mentor]

"Pics or it didn't happen."

"Learn the game and then post."

"But, what about this other player..."

"But, 30 years ago..." or "Back in my day..."

When you're losing an argument, just bring up something about @HCP 's wife....

"No, @SlyPokerDog , I didn't insult him, I just pointed out that all of the crappiest posts
in the entire universe seem to be next to his avatar..."

"I'm too good to put someone on ignore."

"If you had my understanding of the game..."

.....

 

[e_blazer]

Nice try, BUT, the logical fallacy here is the notion that the constant culprits in the bickering that goes on come here wanting a civil discussion regarding the Blazers and the NBA. Too many come here wanting all kinds of other things, but the common issue is a need to at all costs be RIGHT!

 

[Propagandist]

Nice try, BUT, the logical fallacy here is the notion that the constant culprits in the bickering that goes on come here wanting a civil discussion regarding the Blazers and the NBA. Too many come here wanting all kinds of other things, but the common issue is a need to at all costs be RIGHT!

Well put.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Nice try, BUT, the logical fallacy here is the notion that the constant culprits in the bickering that goes on come here wanting a civil discussion regarding the Blazers and the NBA. Too many come here wanting all kinds of other things, but the common issue is a need to at all costs be RIGHT!

Well put.

Was not. IT was a great post. He didn't put it into a well. You know nothing and I know everything!

 

[Hobbesarable]

Nice try, BUT, the logical fallacy here is the notion that the constant culprits in the bickering that goes on come here wanting a civil discussion regarding the Blazers and the NBA. Too many come here wanting all kinds of other things, but the common issue is a need to at all costs be RIGHT!

Some people are in for one hell of a bumpy ride if they think their opinion is the only one that's right or correct.

In the meantime, I will laugh my ass off with such free entertainment.

 

[BBert]

"Pics or it didn't happen."

"Learn the game and then post."

"But, what about this other player..."

"But, 30 years ago..." or "Back in my day..."

When you're losing an argument, just bring up something about @HCP 's wife....

"No, @SlyPokerDog , I didn't insult him, I just pointed out that all of the crappiest posts
in the entire seem to be next to his avatar..."

"I'm too good to put someone on ignore."

"If you had my understanding of the game..."

.....

Link?

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Link?

Every post on s2!

 

[Wizard Mentor]

One of my favorite lines all time came from a freshman band player at our local
high school some years ago:
"I don't NEED to be arrogant!"

 

[jlprk]

"Pics or it didn't happen."

"Learn the game and then post."

"But, what about this other player..."

"But, 30 years ago..." or "Back in my day..."

When you're losing an argument, just bring up something about @HCP 's wife....

"No, @SlyPokerDog , I didn't insult him, I just pointed out that all of the crappiest posts
in the entire universe seem to be next to his avatar..."

"I'm too good to put someone on ignore."

"If you had my understanding of the game..."

.....

Learn the game, then post. Both political parties do it.

Message board registration should include an IQ test. Imagine pro wrestling with such a requirement. Fights were better back in the good old days.