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Watch and see Billups response to this himself in the media. He is a smart person and well spoken, I bet he answers it and hopefully what he says eases these extremes and we just all move past this shit. Fucking drama mainly from Portland media and fans smh.
 
sheed30 said:
Watch and see Billups response to this himself in the media. He is a smart person and well spoken, I bet he answers it and hopefully what he says eases these extremes and we just all move past this shit. Fucking drama mainly from Portland media and fans smh.
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He might not be able to comment if he signed NDAs.
 
Well in that case...but if he can address it, at this point he should. Better for all parties involved, address the "now" monkey in the room, move on and lets talk basketball and this team and off season moves. Looking forward to what he can bring to the Blazers and finally seeing Dame play under a different coach than Stotts for the first time.
 
Natebishop3 said:
It’s just interesting because I’d bet if you went into the Kobe death thread not many people were talking about his rape. He was being remembered as this great guy and I happen to know it wasn’t the only time he sexually assaulted a hotel worker so I imagine it happened quite a bit.

The Billups situation was much murkier. There were multiple people there. It’s not as cut and dry as the Kobe rape case. With Kobe it was him and the woman in the room. If rape happened, it was him. 100%. The Billups thing feels a lot like the Ray Lewis case where there were multiple people involved and someone knows what happened. We will never know the truth because the woman was unconscious. But if Billups was there and he didn’t do it, he knows who did. That makes him guilty of either participating or protecting someone.
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I do find it odd that not a single woman other than the one involved has said anything bad about Chauncey's behavior that I've seen at least. Usually when a high profile person is accused of something like this you have others coming forward too. It doesn't mean he didn't do it but from all accounts he's not that type of person. It makes the waters a little murkier.
 
hoopsjock said:
I do find it odd that not a single woman other than the one involved has said anything bad about Chauncey's behavior that I've seen at least. Usually when a high profile person is accused of something like this you have others coming forward too. It doesn't mean he didn't do it but from all accounts he's not that type of person. It makes the waters a little murkier.
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I would really like to know the details of the Antoine Walker lawsuit aimed at Billups.
 
It’s tough because coming to Billups defense labels you as unsympathetic to women to many people, and that’s not the case. The amount of men accused of stuff is huge. However women should always be taken at their word when they claim any type of assault. It’s a very tough situation. Paying people off may or may NOT indicate any type of guilt. It’s impossible to tell.
 
hoopsjock said:
It sucks that we'll never know what happened. If Billups raped someone he shouldn't ever be hired in the NBA. At the same time the last year plus should've opened people's eyes as to how prejudiced the legal system is against black males. I could see a young rich black man being advised to just pay her off so it goes away even if you're innocent because that's the easy way out without having to go through a trial where being black might automatically make some people think you're guilty, especially in Boston over 20 years ago. That's not to say Chauncey should get a pass or it should be ignored because it's certainly just as likely that he did it. I'd be interested to hear how many rapists have only ever committed one rape. Seems like more of a pattern behavior (See Deshaun Watson) versus a one time thing but want to see data on that. It does seem odd that there has been no other women coming forward or anything bad about Billups other than this one incident. Again, that doesn't mean it didn't happen but I also struggle with how to approach the situation. So I guess I'm not going to take a hardline stance against him because I don't know what happened but I'm also not going to just say it's okay either.

I do think Billups needs to address it in his introductory conference. I'm curious to see what he says about it.
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I'm guessing he can't due to the settlement agreement.
 
calvin natt said:
It’s tough because coming to Billups defense labels you as unsympathetic to women to many people, and that’s not the case. The amount of men accused of stuff is huge. However women should always be taken at their word when they claim any type of assault. It’s a very tough situation. Paying people off may or may NOT indicate any type of guilt. It’s impossible to tell.
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Hell, Bill Clinton paid off rape accusers too.
 
hoopsjock said:
It sucks that we'll never know what happened. If Billups raped someone he shouldn't ever be hired in the NBA. At the same time the last year plus should've opened people's eyes as to how prejudiced the legal system is against black males. I could see a young rich black man being advised to just pay her off so it goes away even if you're innocent because that's the easy way out without having to go through a trial where being black might automatically make some people think you're guilty, especially in Boston over 20 years ago. That's not to say Chauncey should get a pass or it should be ignored because it's certainly just as likely that he did it. I'd be interested to hear how many rapists have only ever committed one rape. Seems like more of a pattern behavior (See Deshaun Watson) versus a one time thing but want to see data on that. It does seem odd that there has been no other women coming forward or anything bad about Billups other than this one incident. Again, that doesn't mean it didn't happen but I also struggle with how to approach the situation. So I guess I'm not going to take a hardline stance against him because I don't know what happened but I'm also not going to just say it's okay either.

I do think Billups needs to address it in his introductory conference. I'm curious to see what he says about it.
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You said some of these things on your video. I agree.
 
I wonder if any other NBA team would refuse/has refused to hire CB over this alleged incident?
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
I'm guessing he can't due to the settlement agreement.
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Certainly possible. Maybe he can just say he can't speak of the specifics but has never had sex with anyone without consent and settled because he was advised to do so but wishes he fought to clear his name instead. I don't know.
 
hoopsjock said:
I do find it odd that not a single woman other than the one involved has said anything bad about Chauncey's behavior that I've seen at least. Usually when a high profile person is accused of something like this you have others coming forward too. It doesn't mean he didn't do it but from all accounts he's not that type of person. It makes the waters a little murkier.
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That's generally more relevant in cases of a man who was in a long-time position of power systematically using his power to take advantage of subordinates. In this case, Billups is being accused of a more conventional, violent rape--that seems far more likely to be a one-shot occurrence than abusing one's professional power over others. So I don't think this is odd or a sign for or against what Billups is accused of.
 
hoopsjock said:
Certainly possible. Maybe he can just say he can't speak of the specifics but has never had sex with anyone without consent and settled because he was advised to do so but wishes he fought to clear his name instead. I don't know.
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Reading stuff that was posted online it certainly feels more likely that he actually did it. Report says woman was indeed raped and what Billups said didn't really add up.
 
Minstrel said:
That's generally more relevant in cases of a man who was in a long-time position of power systematically using his power to take advantage of subordinates. In this case, Billups is being accused of a more conventional, violent rape--that seems far more likely to be a one-shot occurrence than abusing one's professional power over others. So I don't think this is odd or a sign for or against what Billups is accused of.
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That's why I said in my original post that I'd like to see data on this to confirm.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Who would want to be the female assistant in this situation?
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Sue Bird might be an interesting choice if she was looking to take the next chapter in her life in that direction.
 
GDiama said:
Reading stuff that was posted online it certainly feels more likely that he actually did it. Report says woman was indeed raped and what Billups said didn't really add up.
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I've read 4 different accounts from different sources all claiming to be giving info directly from the police report and all 4 of them have a different version. The names of Walker's roommates are different in some of them too.

I know it's hard to convict but if a rape kit was immediately done (as far as I understand regular sex can show up as rape on those kits though) and Billups' story could be proven inaccurate then why weren't criminal charges pursued? Is it as simple as they didn't have enough to convict or it's too hard to prove?

The guy didn't get a chance to defend himself in court but internet detectives have solved the case! Again, I'm not saying he did or didn't do it. I'm just not gonna pretend I know.
 
hoopsjock said:
That's why I said in my original post that I'd like to see data on this to confirm.
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It's almost impossible to have unbiased data for this and you know it. For one, what is the population of "people in power"? How do we define that? How do we define "abusing power"? How can we track/measure it? Do we only consider it when it's caught?
 
hoopsjock said:
I know it's hard to convict but if a rape kit was immediately done (as far as I understand regular sex can show up as rape on those kits though) and Billups' story could be proven inaccurate then why weren't criminal charges pursued? Is it as simple as they didn't have enough to convict or it's too hard to prove?
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This is an interesting point. The police had semen from her rape kit, and presumably there wasn't much time that had passed. I'm not exactly sure when DNA testing for semen was available but I think I've listened to enough true crime podcasts (lmao) to know that it was possible in the 90s. DNA evidence is conclusive so why didn't the police file charges? Usually in the case of clear and conclusive physical evidence the police will always bring charges. And keep in mind, this is in the 90s, and Billups is a young wealthy black man, in freaking Boston of all places.
 
hoopsjock said:
I've read 4 different accounts from different sources all claiming to be giving info directly from the police report and all 4 of them have a different version. The names of Walker's roommates are different in some of them too.

I know it's hard to convict but if a rape kit was immediately done (as far as I understand regular sex can show up as rape on those kits though) and Billups' story could be proven inaccurate then why weren't criminal charges pursued? Is it as simple as they didn't have enough to convict or it's too hard to prove?

The guy didn't get a chance to defend himself in court but internet detectives have solved the case! Again, I'm not saying he did or didn't do it. I'm just not gonna pretend I know.
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In any case i think it would be good if all this have been avoided. There is a chance (slight or not) he did it. Just avoid that, go for someone else.

Btw he settled so he avoided the chance to defend himself. I understand that a popular person might prefer that instead of trying to prove himself during trial, but it cannot be held as good for him. He rejected the chance to defend himself officially by settling.
 
GDiama said:
In any case i think it would be good if all this have been avoided. There is a chance (slight or not) he did it. Just avoid that, go for someone else.

Btw he settled so he avoided the chance to defend himself. I understand that a popular person might prefer that instead of trying to prove himself during trial, but it cannot be held as good for him. He rejected the chance to defend himself officially by settling.
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There could be reasons for that. There were other parties there. He could have been an accessory but did not actually engage in the act of raping her, and the girl accepted the civil suit because she knew there was no physical evidence that tied Billups to it. Of course, being an accessory is also quite scummy, but it's quite a bit different than "rapist".

I guess the answer is "we don't know". No one knows except Billups and the parties involved, but I don't think you should presume guilt just because you only have certain information about what happened.
 
GDiama said:
In any case i think it would be good if all this have been avoided. There is a chance (slight or not) he did it. Just avoid that, go for someone else.

Btw he settled so he avoided the chance to defend himself. I understand that a popular person might prefer that instead of trying to prove himself during trial, but it cannot be held as good for him. He rejected the chance to defend himself officially by settling.
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Pay a small fine(for him)… or risk (even 1% chance) of going to prison for a decade plus. What would you do?

Say you got a speeding ticket and were told, “pay us $100” or you can “fight to defend yourself in court but if you’re convicted you go to prison for 1 year.”

What would you do?

I know it’s an apples to oranges comparison in severity of crime, but the underlying point is… would you really risk going to prison for a year when you could just pay $100 and be done with it?
 
GDiama said:
In any case i think it would be good if all this have been avoided. There is a chance (slight or not) he did it. Just avoid that, go for someone else.

Btw he settled so he avoided the chance to defend himself. I understand that a popular person might prefer that instead of trying to prove himself during trial, but it cannot be held as good for him. He rejected the chance to defend himself officially by settling.
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There are multiple, logical reasons why an innocent person would plea guilty or settle in a case. The system, both criminal and civil are setup to encourage plea deals. The system is NOT setup to get to the bottom of issues.
 
Another reason (and probably the real reason) he may have chosen to settle out of court is because it's extremely messy to have a criminal trial, especially as a rich public figure. Your name will get dragged through the mud and whether you are actually found guilty or innocent almost doesn't matter in the court of public opinion. Not only do you attract more eyes on the situation but once you go through that process the only thing people will remember is that you had a long and public battle with the legal system and the people that think you're guilty are not going to change their mind even if you are found innocent. It's a lose/lose situation.
 
For the record — I wanted MDA.

Aside from being unproven, Billups’ past would surely be put under the microscope in Portland, making it an uncomfortable situation for all parties involved.

This is 100% on Neil.
 
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Tince said:
There are multiple, logical reasons why an innocent person would plea guilty or settle in a case. The system, both criminal and civil are setup to encourage plea deals. The system is NOT setup to get to the bottom of issues.
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My experience as a human being has taught me that the weak (poor) and women are mostly at disadvantage when it comes to this type of things.

I get what you say, but since we don't really know just avoid the conversation entirely by going for someone else. It's not that he is Popovich or Spoelstra that we HAD to go for him. He is a rookie.
 
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